1984  

wickedeasy 68F  
17087 posts
7/29/2006 11:42 am
1984


Orwell wrote two amazing books about the politics of man - one was animal farm and the other was 1984.

the ideas of socialism, communism and democracy were explored through fantasy. a clever way to ensure that he wasn't stoned to death by zealots - "hey it's just a story about pigs."

as we watch the erosion of privacy and individual rights here in this country that i call home, i find my fears growing. Orwell talks about revisionist history, about a government that is in every corner of every citizen's life - for the good of the nation and ostensibly for the good of the citizen.

when we allow a government to enter the homes of its citizens in the name of "safety", please remember that once allowed in, they are not going to leave. i have heard people say, well if you don't have anything to hide... indicating that only the guilty will pay the price for this invasion, this perversion of civil rights. but give a moment's thought to the process. and to the hard fought battles for women's rights, for civil rights, for the rights of same sex partners. sure this may not effect YOU, not this time anyway, but who's to say that you won't be next??

a country is obligated to serve and protect its citizens. is this accomplished best by stripping them of the very rights we constitutionally agreed upon? i have an FBI file on me. i was a protester against the war in Vietnam. the file is pretty big. what if they decide that anyone who protests a government action is subject to arrest? off i go and so will millions of other americans and for what? for doing something our Constitution guarantees us as a right and a responsibility.

i remember that in the weeks following 9/11, there was a bonding of all people who call themselves Americans. i could have walked through the most dangerous part of Mattapan and been just fine. This cohesiveness came from a shared outrage that someone dared to attack us. US. but did we perform admirably in its aftermath? did we find those that had performed this terrorist attack and bring them to justice? or did we just panic and throw all of our hard earned rights and all of the respect from other nations into the crapper so we could say - so there, don't you ever dare try that again!

countries everywhere in the world live with attackers everyday. we are a spoiled nation and one that is now finding bogeymen under every bed - and the divisiveness grows and there is no longer a shared bond - and Big Brother lives and just cuz he's a likable fool, do not underestimate what is at stake here.

be very careful what you allow in the name of the government protecting you. be wary of ceding freedom so quickly.

1984 - was a scary book. it's even scarier to live it.

You cannot conceive the many without the one.


free2chose2 67F

7/29/2006 11:44 am

Read them in high school--------living them now

Don't worry, be Happy


wickedeasy replies on 7/29/2006 11:47 am:
science fiction then

reality now

damn

angelofmercy5 60F
17881 posts
7/29/2006 11:59 am

I read them in high school too! And it IS scarier living them now!


wickedeasy replies on 7/29/2006 2:12 pm:
we are the reality show - shudders

PurplePeach72 45F  
9199 posts
7/29/2006 12:08 pm

Come sit with me in Court. People have to no clue just how much they have lost. Most say, well they are criminals. And to me most importantly, even if my client did break the law, there are rules, laws, and State and Federal Constitutions that govern how you prove it and the Government is supposed to play by the rules. I have been involved in Death Penalty cases. You want to kill my client, fine, but by God, you are going to follow the law every step of the way and I will fight you tooth and nail if you try to bend or ignore any rule or right, no matter "how small" it is or evil my clients crimes are. Today it is the "real criminals", tomorrow, the "might be criminals" and then its us they come after, ignoring the law. But for the ones sitting in the Courtroom with me, there are others whose doors were kicked in and noting found, whose car was stopped "because" but nothing found. And there are some sitting in jail who did no wrong, but the wheels of justice turn so slow that you need a time lapse camera so you can speed up the picture and see that they actually move, backwards.
"The man is willing to give up his freedom for security deserves neither."B. Franklin
steve


Kisses,
LA


wickedeasy replies on 7/29/2006 2:14 pm:
blessings to you for the work that you do and for fighting for those that most would never cross the street to piss on. we have a charter, a mission statement as it were and how we can just blithely assume that all is well, cuz it wasn't me they came for, is beyond my ken

the quote says it all - i hope you don't midn if i steal it for my newsletter?

namaste

ButteryDelight 59F

7/29/2006 1:03 pm

Both those books were required reading when I was in high school. It's ironic that my English teacher stressed the fact that these books were FICTION and that something like what was going on in these stories would NEVER happen in real life.

Buttery Delight


wickedeasy replies on 7/29/2006 2:18 pm:
so true

never here
never to us
this is America

yanno BD - there are moments when i think i could leave this country and go someplace else and say, enough, that's it, last straw

but if i do, if we do, who will stand up and shout "NO WAY!" a right guranteed to us by our constitution. a right. not a privelege.

hugs

Panthiest 74M

7/29/2006 1:38 pm

Frank Zappa - It Can't Happen Here Lyrics
*********************************************
It can't happen here
It can't happen here
I'm telling you, my dear
That it can't happen here
Because I been checkin' it out, baby
I checked it out a couple a times

But I'm telling you
It can't happen here
Oh darling, it's important that you believe me
(Bop bop bop bop)
That it can't happen here

Who could imagine that they would freak out somewhere
in Kansas . . .
(Kansas . . . Kansas . . . Kansas . . . Kansas . . . )
(Kansas, Kansas, do-do-dun to-to
Kansas, Kansas, la la la)
(Kansas, Kansas, do-do-dun to-to
Kansas, Kansas)
Who could imagine that they would freak out in Minnesota . .
.
(Mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi
Mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi . . . )
(Mama Minnesota, Mama Minnesota, Mama Minnesota,
Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma Mama Minnesota,
Mama Minnesota, Mama Minnesota,
Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma Mama Minnesota)
Who could imagine . . .

Who could imagine
That they would freak out in Washington, D.C.
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
(AC/DC do-do-do-dun, AC/DC
Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma, AC/DC)
But it can't happen here
Oh baby, it can't happen here
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
Oh baby, it can't happen here
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
It can't happen here
Everybody's safe and it can't happen here
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
No freaks for us
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
It can't happen here
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
Everybody's clean and it can't happen here
No, no, it won't happen here
(No, no, it won't happen here)
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
I'm telling you it can't
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
It won't happen here
Bop-bop-ditty-bop
(I'm not worried at all, I'm not worried at all)
Ditty-bop-bop-bop
Plastic folks, you know
It won't happen here
You're safe, mama
(No no no)
You're safe, baby
(No no no)
You just cook a tv dinner
(No no no)
And you make it
Bop bop bop
(No no no)
Oh, we're gonna get a tv dinner and cook it up
(No no no no no no no!)
Oh, get a tv dinner and cook it up
Cook it up
Oh, and it won't happen here
Who could imagine
That they would freak out in the suburbs!
(No no no no no no no no no no
Man you guys are really safe
Everything's cool)

I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)
They had a swimming pool
I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)
They had a swimming pool
I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)
They had a swimming pool

And they thought it couldn't happen here
(duh duh duh)
They knew it couldn't happen here
They were so sure it couldn't happen here
But . . .

Suzy . . .
Yes yes, oh yes-I've always felt that
Yes, I agree man, it really makes it . . . yeah . . .
It's a real THING, man, it really makes it

FZ: Suzy, you just got to town, and we've been . . . we've been
very interested in your development
Suzy: Forget it!

Hmmmmmmmmm
(It can't happen here)


wickedeasy replies on 7/29/2006 2:20 pm:
the artists are the eyes in so many ways

smiles

and unfortunately, it can happen here...... here where the arts budget is cut annually and monitored to preclude any protest. it's why i love - it's like the protest songs of the 60's.

sighs

bipolybabe 56F

7/29/2006 1:40 pm

Yes, it's scary, but I still really liked the concept of "Don't give a damn. Have a gram" of whatever was the opiate of the time. I guess our opiate on this site is sex, but I'd say that the opiate of the people is TV.

What say you?

BPB

BPB

Check out my blog Bi-Poly-Babe for more sensual, sexual pleasure!


wickedeasy replies on 7/29/2006 2:22 pm:
teh opiate of the masses is indeed TV - in 1984, you can't turn off your TV - it is the one constant, it is the eye of Big Brother and the voice of the government.

i choose sex over TV - at least it's personal.

many hugs to you my friend - and remember - you are loved here by so many - loved well and truly



WE

FrankPicasso 53M

7/29/2006 2:05 pm

We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.

We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

--Edward R. Murrow--


wickedeasy replies on 7/29/2006 3:53 pm:
good night and good luck

hugs

Theflinkychick 106F

7/29/2006 3:25 pm

I read them in high school too, they scared the bejeebers outta me because I was already a sci-fi fan and knew just how many of the fantastic-never-could-be-invented mechanical marvels Jules Verne wrote about had already become science fact rather than fiction. 1984... Orwell wasn't off by a whole heck of a lot...
flinky

Not all who wander are lost.


wickedeasy replies on 7/29/2006 3:53 pm:
et voila

Mermaidslut 51F

7/29/2006 5:12 pm

Recently in Vegas I signed a petition. The City was trying to start a new law that would allow police to enter apartments without cause. I believe the petion was shot down, as discriminatory as it would have not been enforcable unlaterally across the body of constituents as property owners were not included in the searches and it only targeted renters.

Therfore, if you owned a house, the police would have had to have had probably cause, to enter. They were trying to get around those laws, or reasonable cause by forcing property managers to make their tenants sign new contracts, allowing searches within areas under renters control. Without cause, without written notice, without justification whasoever if the police wanted to for any reason.


wickedeasy replies on 7/30/2006 8:20 am:
beware of Big Brother - he is here, now

bipolybabe 56F

7/29/2006 5:45 pm

Thank you for your profession of support. It really does help.

I feel the hug through the wireless support system.

BPB

BPB

Check out my blog Bi-Poly-Babe for more sensual, sexual pleasure!


wickedeasy replies on 7/30/2006 8:21 am:
BPB -

sometimes life just sucks the hairy bawang

keep on keepin' on

MaggiesWishes 61F

7/29/2006 5:53 pm

Well... having this one ever expanding imagination that I have, I'm not surprised at our advancement.
Star Trek, communicators, NOW our cell phones. The replicators, NOW our microwaves. Solar power? Reflector shields, in the fields... on homes ... our sunglasses? OK, maybe a bit too childish to assume, but the creative minds made all that stuff up 40+ yrs ago, and the reality is ... people are taking the mere concept and expanding on them and here we are ... the super-techno highway, clamoring to have more. Be more.
The Space Station is a reality. Go Figure?
AND the wars will come and go until destruction eats up the land and then what? Waterworld?
I tend to think our forefathers of inventions and creativity had insight to what we call ... tomorrow.

Just my little wee minded thoughts
warm huggies 2ya


wickedeasy replies on 7/30/2006 8:22 am:
you're right - what was scifi 20 years ago is our reality today

libgemOH 57M/53F

7/29/2006 6:08 pm

Well said....maybe too well said considering the amount of thinking I'm doing right now...... -B


wickedeasy replies on 7/30/2006 8:23 am:
tight hugs

thinking hurts - not thinking hurts worse

you are one special lady -

warmandsexy52 65M
13164 posts
7/30/2006 5:33 am

Of course the government's line is "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about." One evening ten years ago we came back from eating out to interrupt burglars in out house (who managed to escape out the back). They stole nothing but the intrusion into our lives was horrible.

The other line is that it is in the public's good. But "the public" is an abstract capable of being politically constructed, as is the notion of "good".

The third issue is that decsions affecting us are made by politicians and bureaucrats, whose perception of the world they are dealing with is very different from that of any individual.

warm xx


wickedeasy replies on 7/30/2006 8:25 am:
nods

so whatever happened to "of the people, by the people?"

and an aside - the electoral college was conceived when the country's territories needed representation despite a lack of population -

what purpose does it serve now?

AstirRelicLatah 65M
1993 posts
7/30/2006 9:34 am

Actually 1984 existed in 1969 at Kent State and Jackson State. Our National Guard shot down innocent students who were using their supposed Constitutional rights of freedom speech and assembly. In 1970 the FBI had assembled a huge dossier on any "radical" movement in the country.

Technology just allows big brother to do the job more effectively. We aren't any safer today because of the incursion than we were before. The government had plenty of laws on the books to catch the bad guys.

A government should have no rights to murder it's citizens in the name of justice. We now have given them the right to ignore due process. What's next?


wickedeasy replies on 7/30/2006 9:56 am:
exactly - that is where the fear lies

what next?

D's son spent two weeks in Israel - with all of this going on - he wants to go back and join the army - how to tell this stalwart young man that war is not always about ideals? that it can take the strongest and bravest and drive them to the ground?

AstirRelicLatah 65M
1993 posts
7/30/2006 10:13 am

We weren't successful with our son keeping him out of the Army. If D's son is Jewish, the value proposition the Israeli Army has is pretty darned high. Especially if you factor in the Holocaust. As anti-war as I am, if I was 21 years old and this conflict was going on, I would be tempted, very tempted. Your post from the Israeli makes me believe this was is a last stand issue for Israel. It's all pretty depressing.


wickedeasy replies on 7/30/2006 4:32 pm:
but another young man - oh god - forgive me for wanting tojust keep him safe here at home

meerkittykat 43F

7/30/2006 11:42 am

Look at the recent rules regarding eminent domain. Eminent domain has always been present in our development of infrastructure, what with the building of roads and expanding of utilties systems. The US Supreme Court bypassed on solidifying the long-term definition and instead left it to the state courts.

Now what you have are several states considering legistaltion to widen the powers of eminent domain for their local governing bodies. It used to be in the name of development of infrascrture. I fear to see, with the current political climate, what these local governments plan to do.


wickedeasy replies on 7/30/2006 4:34 pm:


sorry - but i lost over an acre of land to eminent domain - and that would have housed my shelter for adult females with children

to the city - for, guess what? a police station

and what did i get? 90K and a swift kick in the ass

AstirRelicLatah 65M
1993 posts
7/30/2006 6:42 pm

We all want to keep our young men home and safe. The sad thing is the way the armed services around the world sell "service" to our youngsters. Frankly, the sale, at least in the US service is a total crock. I truly hope you'll be able to keep your young man home. You'll be able to sleep better.


wickedeasy replies on 7/31/2006 5:28 am:
but will he?

AstirRelicLatah 65M
1993 posts
7/31/2006 5:45 am

but will he?

That's the question of the day. If you force him, probably not. If your find a way for him to come to his own conclusion, probably. It's a very tough thing. My thoughts are with you. (((hugs)))


wickedeasy replies on 7/31/2006 8:26 am:
good point

((((((((((hugs))))))))))))) back

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