Can It Get Any Lower?  

sargemc 65M
15 posts
5/18/2006 10:19 am

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5/23/2006 9:17 pm

Can It Get Any Lower?


I know what you all must be thinking by now. What
in the hell is he doing on this site talking about
this stuff? Well to be honest with you I am not sure myself. But, as a parent who has lost a son
to this so called liberation of Iraq, I knew we
would have another Viet Nam on our hands.

You see, I fought in Viet Nam and I am paying the price for that war thanks to the way our Government wanted to fight that war. I just came off the latest round of treatments for the tumors
that the chemical agent orange blessed many Nam
vets with. I also remember the way I was recieved when I came home. I was spit on things thrown at me and called baby killer. Those days can never be forgotten no matter how many post welcome home parades are thrown for us.

But, I am heartened by the way the boys of your generation are welcoming the boys of your
" Viet Nam". My son was killed early in the war.
I was proud of him for his service and the sacrafice he was and did make.

I knew that when the younger George Bush ran for
President, he would find a way to get us into Iraq to clean up his dads mistake. What mistake you ask? Getting Hussien while we were alreadyon his door step. Now, your kids and my son have to pay the price. The death toll is closing in on
3000 men and women. All these deaths were needless
if the job was done right.

I served under both Presidents Johnson and Nixon.
It is hard for me to see so much shame brought onto the highest office in our country. I can not believe his approval rating is lower than President Nixon during Watergate. Many Americans
are fed up with this military action.

Do not get me wrong, I love this country and what it stands for. I pray for and support the boys and girls who are thousands of miles away from home. I hit my knees every night and pray to God
Almighty that this war ends soon, and that every
mother and father that faces the heartache that I have faced find peace. Also that every son and daughter come home to their families safe and sound.

I also hope that the next few years go by fast, so that a man takes over in the Oval Office, does
not forget who put him in that office and why.
Let us hope we have a brighter happier future
than we have had in the past.

Thanks for letting me vent. Open to any comments
anyone might have.

saddletrampsk 55F

5/18/2006 11:38 am

I am so sorry for the loss of your son..


Loosetooth 42M
1148 posts
5/23/2006 6:40 am

This is a hard thing for me to comment on because of the loss you have suffered.

I break Iraq down into several sections when I think of it. First that comes to mind is the appalling mess that our governments have made of the situation. The poor planning, the poor forsight of giving the Muslim extremists a focus, the hash made of re-construction do that everything now looks money motivated and the cheapness of life in Iraq. We all know and pretty much agree on that stuff.

The next section is that Saddam Hussein has been removed and although it happened 10 years too late, it is good that it did happen. Of course it looks hypocritical that we waited 10 years to do it but that was because Bush Snr respected the U.N. Mandate he was given, which was to free Kuwait and nothing else.

Some say that it sets a dangerous precedent to remove one leader and not another but we are entering a world now where world leaders need to be bought to account. We have seen similar cases with Pinochet, after he left power, and I am praying something will soon happen with Robert Mugabe.

Iraq will continue to be some convoluted web, that the decadent amongst us will bounce across the dinner table debates like the tennis balls at Wimbledon, regurgitating the leader articles and reports from CNN and Fox, completely ignorant to the real situation.

My advice to you is to ignore all of that. Your son entered an arena to do good and taken at that level he most certainly did. As a soldier he operated at a direct and simple level and is free from the taints that politicking has introduced.


Loosetooth 42M
1148 posts
5/23/2006 6:41 am

do=so


sargemc 65M

5/23/2006 4:51 pm

I agree with most of what you say, Loosetooth. But, I also have first hand experience when the hands of the military are tied my politics.
In Viet Nam we were not allowed to bring the real power of the military into that war. They can call it a policing action if they want. We were not there to arrest anyone. We were there to kill or be killed.
I fear that Iraq and Afganistan will be this generations Viet Nam.
I listen to all the military experts, and they do not see us coming out of this for at least 8-10 years. We have already been there three.

And yes, I am very proud of my son. He joined the reserves to make some extra money. He was an MP. He was ambushed just like many of our kids are today.

I really think and believe that Bush SR had the whole world behind him. He could have made a case to go after Hussein. Every President
puts his trust in the guys on the ground who are leading the troops.
In 1991 he had two of the best I have ever seen. They told him over
and over again to go get this guy. He Saddam was and is a coward.
Remember, they did find him hiding in a hole in the ground. My only
contention is that over 2400 US service men and women, and who knows how many allied troops have died for something that should have been done in 1991.

I also want to thabnk you for your kind and thoughtful words about my son.


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