subculture within a subculture  

rm_smosmof2 68M
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4/8/2006 9:30 am

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subculture within a subculture

After my first month in AdultFriendFinder, I'd about decided that there was some kind of closed subculture at work, where a number of you knew each other, to one extent or another, and anyone new had to pass some kind of initiation, or demonstrate that they weren't just another tourist or something. I'm still not sure that this isn't true, but I've come to believe that what's happening is more of the "sellers' market" syndrome that I kindof defined in my first post.

At some point, near the end of March, I discovered Daisy Lincoln, and her blog, and once you find one blog, you can get absolutely lost in the labyrinth, following a responder back to their blog, and finding another interesting responder, and following them, and so on, and so on.

The difference is, out there I felt isolated. In here, I feel supported. I haven't gotten much in the way of response yet, but what I have gotten has been constructive and supportive. The message I've gotten, I notice, are also from some of the "big names" in the group. (Which is to say, those whose blogs are read by an enormous number of other bloggers. This indicates to me that the "big names" seem to make a point out of checking out and supporting the newbies. This is very nice of you all.

Hopefully, as I find my "voice" I can reward this support back again in some way. I've certainly found some interesting reading out here.

It's kind of a 21st century version of science fiction fandom. SF fandom got started in the 30's when the monthly SF magazines started featuring letters pages. Some of the most active "letter hacks" started corresponding with each other, and from there, they started collaborating on "fanzines" which then got circulated among other fans in the local sf fan organizations spread around the country. Within a couple of years, there were a lot of fanzines being circulated around the country, and to some extent, around the world. By 1939, there was enough interest among the fans in meeting each other that the New York group decided to put on a convention in New York City, in conjunction with the World's Fair that was already taking place there. That was the start of "World Science Fiction Conventions". They went into abeyance during WW II, but resumed in 1946, and have been going on ever since, mostly during Labor Day weekend, (or the British Bank Holiday) around the country, and around the world. It was in London in '56, Heidelberg in '70, Brighton in '79 and '87, and Der Hague in '90. This year in will be in Anaheim in late August, and 2008 (I think, I've kindof gotten out of touch with things the last couple of years) it will be in Tokyo.

Anyway, the point of the history lesson is that I see the same kind of "family through communication" relationships forming here. With the major difference that these writing are being constantly updated, on a day by day basis, and sometimes even more frequently. The fanzines of the 30's and 40's were doing very well to be published on a monthly basis, and mostly they were a four-to-six-times-a-year kind of thing.

More examples of the instant gratification and communication syndrome that has taken over our world. Instant communications to any part of the world, all the time. Fifty years ago, this would have been science fiction. (And I'm not prepared, at this time, to discuss the ramifications of the "life style" supported by this site, and how the writers of the 50's and 60's would have dealt with it. I will recommend Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein as an attempt to redefine our culture as imagined in the early 60's.

For those of you who weren't already aware of it, we're now officially living in the future.

rm_art_persists 53M
1789 posts
4/8/2006 10:54 am

there are cliques here as there are in life. Most people take tentative chances but they are just that, tentatitive....

49AK 56M
1823 posts
4/8/2006 11:11 am

Interesting post. I hadn't been aware of the history.

Things sure do move a lot faster in this electronic/virtual age.

As for the initiation, you may be right, but it isn't necessarily formal.

bluegirl39 51F

4/8/2006 12:26 pm

hum..I liked your a historian or sociologist?...I think you should read "McDonalization of society" sorry can't think of who wrote it..he is a sociologist if that helps..but good book..Hit right on what your talking about...

rm_smosmof2 replies on 4/8/2006 1:57 pm:
One of my specialties within sf fandom (besides the convention running part) is/was fan history. I spent 33 years at the shoulder of one of the primary mover & shakers in the field, who also was a historian/archivist/collector of collections, etc.

It's a particularly literate subculture, and most of its history is recorded in these fanzines, and a series of books, covering different time spans. If anyone is really interested, I can suggest a list of writers. (Or maybe I'll just fill up another post with the information. See how much I can come up with just off the top of my head.)

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