rm_pchamp012004 56M
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10/14/2005 4:49 pm

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Last weekend the NYC Subway system was put on a high state of alert after information that terrorists were going to set off bombs in the system. Federal authorities passed on information received by a paid informant that terrorists would be setting off bombs hidden in brief cases and baby strollers.

Over the last couple of years, many hoaxes concerning terrorism have been perpetrated against us. Government at all levels has no choice but to react (can you see a politician trying to explain the fact that he "allowed" a terrorist act to happen because he didn't think it was a serious threat), and millions of dollars are wasted on these phantom attacks.

Ever wonder who is behind these hoaxes?

After a little research, I have discovered that the prime culprit is the fellow facing deportation. Over half of these threats are made to avoid being deported.

Ahmed Allali – an Algerian immigrant and Indianapolis gas station owner facing deportation for having a fraudulent passport – claimed last year that he had traveled to the United States in 1998 with al-Qaeda operatives, and provided extensive details about a sleeper cell that was planning to set off bombs in five major cities. The scare tied up scores of investigators before Allali admitted making up the tale to avoid being kicked out of the country.

Second on the list is the person who has just gotten arrested, who is looking to cut a deal for himself.

Last December in upstate New York, Danian Terzi alarmed the state troopers who arrested him for purse snatching by claiming he and others had smuggled C-4 explosives from St. Louis to New York with plans to detonate a bomb in Times Square on New Year's Eve. Court papers say that after the FBI was called in, Terzi "recanted the story and admitted the story was an elaborate hoax."

And would you believe it, in third place is the guy that wants revenge on someone who wronged him or on a competitor.

Earlier this year, a suspected immigrant-smuggler in Mexico sent investigators scrambling when he reported that two Iraqis had crossed the border and were plotting to strike Boston with a dirty bomb. Authorities concluded that the caller, Jose Ernesto Beltran Quinones, may have made up the story to frame another smuggler.

Now I know this is not mentioned in any of the references I used, but how many of them are made up by people who just hate us, and want us to waste our resources?

Going back to the Subway hoax, federal officials now believe that the informant was passing along information that he thought was true. If so, I fear for this informant. I've read enough spy novels to recognize this as an old ploy. If someone suspects that there is a traitor in the organization, he merely tells all the suspects a different story, then waits to see which story the enemy reacts to.

Enough of my rambling, what I was originally going to ask is what do you think the penalty should be for someone perpetrating a terrorism hoax?

rm_pchamp012004 56M
2672 posts
10/14/2005 4:52 pm

For those of you that are saying,"there aught to be a law", there is ... Congress passed a law last year making it a crime to convey false or misleading information about a terrorist attack. The offense carries up to five years in prison – and 20 years to life if the hoax causes injury or death.

Is it enought? Will it be enforced? Time will tell.

duststormdiva 52F
6854 posts
10/15/2005 1:37 am

Amazing what people do. I just don't understand things such as this and the hatred behind it.


keithcancook 61M
17930 posts
10/15/2005 1:43 pm

In this country, the penalty should be a huge fine and a long jail sentence. In another country I would cut out that liars tongue.

rm_1hotwahine 64F
21091 posts
10/15/2005 2:40 pm

In general, I believe that consequence is never a 100% deterrent to breaking a particular law. So the question would be, is it ENOUGH of a deterrent? And what should it be? Oh heck, I don't know. But I've got to look at the perpetrators in one of two categories - US Nationals and non-US Nationals.

For "us guys" I'd say that in MOST (not all) cases, the deterrent factor is pretty good. What I'm thinking of as a measure is the strict punishments for doing bad stuff on airplanes. I'm thinking of the pre-911 days, even - if you made trouble to flight attendants or called in a bomb threat to buy time so you wouldn't miss your flight, you'd get into LOTS and LOTS of trouble. That was well publicized and therefore actions such as those were fairly infrequent. Kind of like having really strict parents that you KNOW will follow through.

But the wild card is when this happens via non-US citizens. I don't think it's much of a deterrent and don't know whether locking them up for a decade (and paying for it) outweighs deportation.

Be careful with these posts. You're bringing me dangerously close to the middle!

Yeah, I'm still [blog 1hotwahine]

rm_pchamp012004 56M
2672 posts
10/15/2005 5:00 pm

Dusty, the hatred stems from jealousy ... why else would it be one of the deadly sins?

Keith, how about the fine being restitution ... if the hoax caused millions of dollars to defend against ... then we garnish 1/2 of the perpertrators income till it's paid off? As far as the tonguectomies ... I wouldn't want to sink to their level. Have you ever heard of the Code of Hamurabi? This is considered to be the first laws (funny how historians always overlook the ten commandments). These laws were developed by an Arab Khalif, and are generally refered to as "an eye for an eye". Strange twist when you delve into it deeper ... If a man murders your sister, the penalty is not his death ... His sister is killed so that he can experience the same pain as you felt.

wahine, turn your back from the darkside (left) ... step into the light

rm_1hotwahine 64F
21091 posts
10/16/2005 1:15 am

smart ass...

Yeah, I'm still [blog 1hotwahine]

saddletrampsk 55F

10/18/2005 2:06 pm

Jail time and fines will work as long as they are enforced..and make them serve ALL the jail time not a fraction of their sentence..its like grounding your child and then letting them go out of their room early..

tillerbabe 57F

10/18/2005 3:06 pm

Can you say "secondary devices?" Often, this is what the false reports are part of...
As far as punishment? I'm with Kieth...or you can just "hand them over" to me and my crew....

rm_pchamp012004 56M
2672 posts
10/18/2005 4:01 pm

wahine, yes I am

saddletramp, as long as it is a federal conviction, they serve all their time. Good behavior was something invented by the States to lower incarceration costs.

tiller, I can think of worse things than to be handed over to you

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