Bend over and spread!  

rm_kelli4u2dew 42F
7028 posts
4/25/2006 9:28 pm

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Bend over and spread!

Of all the godforsaken places to get sent for a seminar, I end up in Dallass Texass. Home of bleach blonde big hair.

Gas here is $3 a gallon. So, I check into the hotel and fire up my laptop, and the first bit of news that pops up is Bush eases environmental rules on gasoline .

The petroleum companies comment that it won't help on prices. No kidding! But it will continue this administration's assault on the environment.

Every action or reaction by GWB and his neo-con handlers is predictable. Cut taxes to the rich, subsidize big business, bomb someone ...

Oh, yeah, that was yesterday's plan to deal with gas prices. Nuke Iran.

Analysis I read says that $4 a gallon is to be expected by the end of the summer, and $10 a gallon by the end of the decade. Don't believe it? Try reading something other than the blogs here and My Weekly Reader. Those predictions are not coming from the "radical left", but from economists in the oil industry itself.

Get a clue, people. You and I are headed toward a plantation society, and guess who's going to be doing the heavy lifting. The billionaires aren't going to be inconvenienced in the slightest.

caressmewell 55F

4/25/2006 9:36 pm

It's pretty freaking scary. I so dislike this administration...

Cowboy_Deluxe 39M

4/25/2006 9:45 pm

You are so right.. If this gas crap keeps going up, soon Hybrids will be cheaper. When that happens, I can only wander, but either way billionaire's are not going to be affected.


rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/26/2006 4:14 am:
I heard yesterday that Wyoming is one of the 4 cheapest places for gas. Something about keeping the VP happy ...

saddletrampsk 55F

4/25/2006 10:29 pm

$5 a gallon here..well $113.9 a litre..I guess we will all have to be riding horses by the end of the decade..yeehaw

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/26/2006 4:16 am:
Unfortunately, I'm one of the worst riders in the world. I've been doing it since I was a kid, but I never have figured out how to post. They beat me up every time.

rm_LoyalCumpany 47M
3204 posts
4/25/2006 10:47 pm

Supply and demand. Buy more fuel efficient vehicles, dump the SUV'S, buy less gasoline, walk instead of drive, prices go down, less pollution.

Economists extrapolate with current trends. There are too many outside factors to completely rely on their forecast. What happens if there's a breakthrough and somebody finds that magical formula that will burn like gasoline in our current combustible engines but is easily reproduced and produces little to no pollution? (We can dream, right?)

I'm not going to defend GWB, he's becoming a megalomaniac. And I already sold my 4x4 and bought a Honda Civic. And I bike to work. AND I am a *ahem* conservative.

I am JoJo the Circus Boy!

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/26/2006 4:23 am:
I'm getting so tired of hearing this "supply and demand" crap. Oil inventories are higher than they were before Katrina. OPEC and Russia have the capacity to pump more, but don't have the demand for it. I've also heard the argument that the oil companies margins are very small and they are captive to "the market", but that doesn't explain their record profits given that demand and volume sales have not risen near as much as their profits.

How come the new Civic I own gets 6-10 mpg less than the Civic I had 10 years ago?

As to political orientation, I'm a social liberal, an economic conservative, and a capitalist to the bone. This regime is not good for the economy, the environment, or the political stability of the world.

Thank you for stopping by, and presenting a civilized rebuttal. Hope to see you again.

SlowPlayin 51M

4/25/2006 10:55 pm

I agree with some of your sentiments ... especially about the current administration. It's encouraging when people collectively start voicing frustration ... I think that's the first step to change in a society like ours.

Just something I've observed over the past 2 years or so ... the Fed has not made the kind of timely adjustments that it has in the past, say since the late 80's and early 90's til about 2 years ago ... is it a residual effect of the probable inside knowledge that Greenspan was retiring and the unknown effect of the appointment of Ben Bernanke as Chairman of the Board of the Federal Reserve? Could it coincide with the war in Iraq? I'm not an expert but I read alot and it sure seems like alot of the growth in the past 15 years has lead to and been spurred on by "the greed factor" or excessive capitalization/excessive valuations ... like you mentioned in an email ... how is that sustainable? 4.7 Trillion dollars has been created since the late 80's while dumping millions of ounces of gold in order for us to trust the money. Like you say, Kelli, this is just a small part of what is creating huge wealth in very small parts of the whole ... a very complex topic with many points of controversy and arguability. For myself ... if I can manage to tuck enough under the mattress to take care of myself and my family and eventually retire in comfort ... I'll be satisfied and will breath a sigh of relief. Just my opinion.


rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/26/2006 4:24 am:
The national debt doubled under Reagan. It will double again under Bush. What the hell happened to the idea that Republicans are economic conservatives?

blueguy1051 61M

4/25/2006 10:58 pm

Well, I think it's funny that the course set by Bush-Cheney in 2000 is acheiving what their opponents predicted. People voted for them twice and are now reaping the results and aren't happy. Surprise, surprise.

reverend21 50M
1913 posts
4/25/2006 11:09 pm

Oh I believe it, but unfortunately the greed of th oil companies will continue no matter who is in office

im_your_man77 40M
961 posts
4/26/2006 1:11 am

What I find scary about thne Bush administration is that Bush can only be there for 8 years, the people that helped get him there can be in the system as long as they want. Bush has never scared me, he is too stupid to realise what he is doing, it's the people around him that really believe the crap they are doing that are the cause of the real damage. I fear that these people will be around for a long time to come. The aides that helped Clinton get into power might not have been able to get him to keep his cock in his pants but at least they didn't go around destabilising other nations. Normally I wouldn't care for American politics its not my country after all but with these people in charge noone has a choice in the matter.
Now back to blondes, forget about it, I know many blondes that would love to have your hair, and I never even mentioned your ass. Ok so I just did. Crap!

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/26/2006 4:26 am:
Yes. What I find really scary is the neo-con/religious right coalition. My dad predicted an imperialistic theocracy when Bush was elected. Most people thought he was being an alarmist.

Nightguy_1961 56M
4866 posts
4/26/2006 4:03 am

It happens every year at this time...when the travel season begins; gas prices go up, hotel rates go up, food prices go up.

Working in the hospitality business, I see how this happens every year...but the gas prices are acting the same as they always have every year...regardless of the administration in office, regardless of what army is where in the world...

Plus, the past couple of years have been rough for oil....Iraq, South American posturing hurting pump prices, Katrina damaging/destroying rigs in the Gulf (and the ensuing boycott by oil workers until relief arrived for Louisiana & other affected areas). But I understand the ease of hitting an easy target, one that is hated by most in the country.

We just need to 'cure our jones' for gas....It amuses me to see the celebs lamenting about gas prices & the environment, then get into their SUVs or Hummers (what was that mpg...9?) Ed Begeley, Jr. is the only celeb who backs up what he preaches by riding a bike.

Just my viewpoint.....


rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/26/2006 4:29 am:
Seasonal fluctuations have always happened, yes. But the price of gas is 300% higher than in 2000. The drops aren't happening. Last fall, they blamed Katrina for $3/gallon gas, but now we're back there, and the refineries are back on line.

Interesting to note patterns of prices. They are lowest in the southeast, where there is little or no production or refining, highest in the southwest where the refineries are. Why would prices be lower in Kentucky than in Texas?

RevJoseyWales 70M/67F
14393 posts
4/26/2006 4:18 am

Kelli, why do you think I keep saying "when the revolution comes" so often? I am so afraid it's gonna come to that, and the next one won't be racial, but a class struggle. If something isn'tg done, and soon, there will be NO MORE middle class. When THAT happens, then there WILL be trouble. I just hope and pray that America wakes up before it's too late. The current regime is pushing us closer and closer to the flashpoint daily. I've posted about this a lot, but nobody seems to give a shit. Me, I just keep buying weapons and ammo. Will the billionaires' be affected? Oh Hell Yeah. Because if it gets to that point, money WILL not save their sorry asses. I just pray the American people will wake up before it's too late. Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/26/2006 4:37 am:
Uncle Joe, the revolution didn't happen 30 years ago, and considering that 50% of the voting populace was content to let this shit continue in 2004, I don't see it happening now. Sad to say, but my generation is even dumber than yours was. Blue keeps telling me to figure out which country I want to live in before they round us all up. I respectfully suggest he might have a point.

TrapsTomesSteed 43M
202 posts
4/26/2006 7:43 am

I admit, I voted for GWB. And if I could now, I'd take it back. But in all honesty, not because of any religious, military or environmental reasons. He's definitely made some bad calls, but the overexaggerated media has blamed him for a lot of things that weren't his fault. There's plenty of shit to blame him for without making stuff up. What would cause me to rescind my vote would be his border control policy, or lack thereof, and stance on illegal immigration. From a certain perspective it even borders on treason. Anyway, not to get too sidetracked, yeah gas prices suck. I've heard the argument that we're only catching up to the rest of the world, so to speak, as the price per liter overseas has always been higher than our price per gallon, meaning the Europeans are paying roughly 4x as much as us for petrol. Granted, I think the taxes work a bit differently. But it's still a big difference. But I don't know how much truth there is to that as I have no clue whether or not the euro/liter cost has risen over the last couple years proportional to the $/gallon or if we really are just "catching up". *shrug*

DLiscious2 49M/43F

4/26/2006 8:30 am

You know what they say about Texas coiffures...the higher the hair, the closer to God!

Did you also know that Brazil is energy self-sufficient? The majority of their cars are hybrid, switching between petrol and ethanol made in Brazil from sugar cane. The price pressures keep both forms of fuel reasonable.

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/26/2006 2:53 pm:
LOL! I hadn't heard that about Texas hair.

I have heard that about Brazil. No matter how they've done it, they have divorced themselves from the world energy markets and control their own destiny.

phangasm2003 107M

4/26/2006 9:32 am

    Quoting DLiscious2:
    You know what they say about Texas coiffures...the higher the hair, the closer to God!

    Did you also know that Brazil is energy self-sufficient? The majority of their cars are hybrid, switching between petrol and ethanol made in Brazil from sugar cane. The price pressures keep both forms of fuel reasonable.
Brazil is also a reasonably big oil producer, so they produce nearly what they consume.

RevJoseyWales 70M/67F
14393 posts
4/26/2006 2:04 pm

Fuck George Bush and all who would support him. Do it anally, with a 2 litre Coke bottle, and pine tar lube. Jesus H. Christ, how much more are we going to put up with? The republicans have been fucking the American people for years, maybe our time is coming soon.

Blue may very well be right, Kelli I'm just too damn old to keep running. I have pretty much decided to make my stand, and frankly I'm very inclined to do it NOW. The frightening thing is that I speak with more and more people everyday who feel the same way, and who are preparing the same way I am. Stocking up on all of the essentials, including guns and ammo. I know of at least 4 different groups within a 10 mile radius who have serious palns ready to go. What good will it do to be rich if money is worthless? The American people NEED to take our country back NOW, before the rich lawyers and politicians, and their pimps in big business TOTALLY ruin everything for everybody except them. Of course what the fuck do I know? Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/26/2006 3:19 pm:
"rich lawyers and politicians, and their pimps in big business"

You forgot the preachers ...

rm_FreeLove999 48F
16127 posts
4/26/2006 3:22 pm

WOW! its refreshing to hear an american saying these things (it's not that i didn't know some did, but here in blogland, it is rare for anyone to speak on these "controversial" issues)...

[blog freelove999]

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/26/2006 4:44 pm:
There are a few of us who occasionally let our outrage spill over into this friendly site. I don't know how to put multiple blog titles as links in a post, but take a look at:


for people you would enjoy having dinner with. And hopefully with me.

RevJoseyWales 70M/67F
14393 posts
4/26/2006 3:53 pm

Sorry to go on a rant on your blog, Kelli, but I couldn't help it. Please forgive. You're right of course, about the religious right, but that's a target for another day. I hadn't forgotten them, just swatted them away in order to deal with other pests on this issue only. Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."

RevJoseyWales 70M/67F
14393 posts
4/26/2006 4:02 pm

    Quoting rm_FreeLove999:
    WOW! its refreshing to hear an american saying these things (it's not that i didn't know some did, but here in blogland, it is rare for anyone to speak on these "controversial" issues)...
Actually, freelove, I'm not a resident of blogland. There's a place called Copperhead Road, where the civilized rules of blogland don't apply. It's weird, wired, radical, and intirely unPC. But it IS American, thru and thru. It isn't the polished New Yorker, Cali type of America, mostly country folk, but you may find it interesting. Again, Kelli, sorry for the self promotion, but she DID indicate an interest. Mea culpa. Forgive? Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."

beatpoeme 55M

4/26/2006 4:40 pm

Politicking aside, because that’s what it ends up being at the end of the day. When you live in a plentiful nation where you can take or leave globalization it is very easy to become insightful at what the causes of gas prices are doing, where the money is going and who is responsible. Well lets start with me and you. We choose the politicians who write the laws and produce the policy. We reinforce this by doing nothing as in the case of the average Canadian, or barn storming our displeasure like our US cousins appear to do.
This recent spike in the gas prices hurts us all. But just as corporation’s ballyhoo profit margin, the individual bemoan the burden of price and the nature of its origin.
Well lets do something about it: vote, protest and last of all consider changing personal consumption habits, recycle, reuse and so on.
The tragedy is our tolerance for alluded corporate injustice.This only clicks in when it affects our pocket book. We are all to blame for this situation.
I am not a tree hugger (never been close to one either) I am not a lobbyist for big business. I am an observer. Once again the masses speak out to much too little to late.
I have no fix, no quick answer. I’m not running for office and do not have shares with the oil company. As student of history it always seems to be one thing or another.
Well I think our efforts and energies will best be served learning to adjust. Because one thing I will bet on, this will never improve. And as inflation and economy grows to match the burden of the pump we will all suffer in more ways than one. Food, clothing will all go up this is obvious. We pay more than Americans do for gas. In general we travel more to the places we live and work if you consider the low density and dispersion of our population. We will all suffer. As armchair politicians and consumers; speak your mind. My two cents says basically get used to it. Look ahead think and act wisely, we haven’t got much time left.

And as an added not, the price in Brasil is way higher than here. And even if it was $1.00 a gallon it would still be out unaffordable to the majority of the population. In fact you can buy gas there on time. You can go up to 90days with a post dated cheque and an admin fee and interest.

Its all relative. It was about $4dollars cnd for a gallon in Whitehorse in 2000. On the pacific coast I'm paying around $1.16 a litre. Excuse the lack of accurate conversion but its more than your paying in the US.

beatpoeme 55M

4/26/2006 4:45 pm

From CNN today US price
I wonder who's yelling louder?


whats4dessert2 50M

4/26/2006 7:28 pm

Great thread going on here...My only regret is that I'm in Dallas NEXT week (May 1st - may 4th) instead of this week. I would have loved to have gotten together for a martini hon.

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/26/2006 8:10 pm:
Well, that's shitty! I would have loved the chance to cough and sneeze on you. Kelli's god a code in da nose.

Do me a favor and plan your trips better next time, ok?

ronniexoxoxo 51M

4/26/2006 11:42 pm

It's a very crappy situation and scary to also think about how everything else will rise as well. People barely making it won't any longer. Peace

im_your_man77 40M
961 posts
4/27/2006 1:28 am

You really shouldn't get me talking politics because then I go off on a rant, I apologise for the reading you now have to do but you encouraged me dammit. The reason high oil prices are here to stay, (sure they might drop a little from time to time but they will remain high nonetheless) is because we are living in a different world with situations different from the past. World power is in flux, and the Saudis, whose relations with the US have been strained since 9/11, are only too aware of this. The Saudi leaders are candidly courting the Chinese, and the Chinese respond in what the Saudis regard as a fitting manner.

The Chinese do not lecture them on democracy and human rights. They just want to do deals. China's oil imports from Saudi Arabia have been growing at nearly 50% per year over the past six or seven years. Saudi oil now accounts for about one-fifth of all China's oil imports, and China's oil needs will continue to grow spectacularly.

On current projections, the world's energy requirements will go up by at least 50% by 2030, and the increase in demand will be driven by China, India and, to a lesser, extent, Brazil.

Saudi Arabia is far and away the world's biggest oil producer. It is less well known that Iran is the fourth biggest. And Iran's gas reserves are even more significant; they are the second largest in the world.

The Chinese have no worries about buying oil from Iran, international pariah state as it may be. China signed recently a huge deal with Iran to develop the Yadavara field that will soon be producing 300,000 barrels a day. And next month it is expected that India and Iran will conclude successfully negotiations about a major pipeline through which Iranian gas will be pumped to India via Pakistan.

All this must be very worrying for the US Government. To put it crudely (sorry for the pun), no doubt the appropriate phrase in this context, Iran's growing links with China and India will make it increasingly difficult for the US to exercise international diplomatic leverage against the Tehran regime of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. China, in particular, will not want any undue pressure to be put on Ahmadinejad, as it develops Iran as one of its key suppliers.
Just the other day, Ahmadinejad was revelling publicly in the soaring price of oil. He understands well that this is causing the US not just economic concern, but also increasingly diplomatic concern ‒ if not downright alarm.

Indeed, I sometimes wonder why, given Iran's vast oil and gas reserves, the US seems so keen to take on Ahmadinejad and his regime. I made this point to a friend the other day and was told I was being impossibly naive. "That's just the point ‒ that's the real reason the US is taking on Iran. It's nothing to do with Israel or nuclear weapons." Well, I may be naive, but I think that's unduly cynical.
Like many others in Britain, I am uneasy when I hear the Americans lecturing, even hectoring, other countries on human rights and democratic values, but I do give them credit for genuine idealism. The problem is that they never understand the full extent of the history of the situation or they would realise there is no quick fix and getting involved only makes things worse for all concerned.

The Chinese, who will soon be as powerful globally as the Americans, have no such sensitivities. They are even prepared to take as much oil as they can from Sudan, dismissing reports of genocide as internal matters outwith their concern.

So it's clear that the currents of global power are shifting very rapidly indeed. But if Bush lacks influence on the world stage, he does not seem to have much sway at home, either. He recently told the American people, rightly, that they would have to break their "addiction" to oil. What has happened since? US oil consumption has actually risen, and its oil stocks are decreasing at an alarming rate.
Everywhere Bush, the leader of the world's greatest oil-guzzlers (though maybe not for long as China is catching up very fast) looks for oil, there seems to be trouble. Nigeria, Venezuela, Bolivia ‒ if there is not acute instability, there is growing anti-US agitation. Mention of Venezuela and Bolivia is a reminder of the growing Chinese influence in these countries, where parallel anti-US sentiment is gaining by the day.

To put it even more crudely, the US-led western world has not yet been held to ransom by the leading oil-producing and gas-producing nations, but we have to be prepared for that day to come, possibly quite soon. In our own domestic context, two things are apparent. First, high petrol prices are here to stay. Secondly, there are opportunities
in this otherwise gloomy scenario.

Almost all the world's "easy" oil has been discovered and extracted. This means that some of the oilfields that have so far been regarded as uneconomic may soon be regarded as viable.

Even more importantly, America is well-placed to develop renewable energy sources. Apart from the very considerable natural advantages, you also have progressive university departments that can become world leaders in developing bio-inspired solutions in clean technology.
As China and India get more and more greedy for gas, oil and coal, our planet's environmental problems will escalate, and the need for innovative clean technologies will become yet more pressing. Let's hope someone takes that opportunity forward, for the sake of America, for the sake of the world and for the sake of new jobs.

Meanwhile my van runs on diesel which has just hit the £1.01/litre stage and I can't continue to take those costs if they get any higher I won't be able to drive and pay rent. However there is hope I can buy a machine for £660 persuade the local cafe to provide me with their old used vegetable oil at the end of each night and mix the old oil in this machine to make biodiesel. Not only is biodiesel clean but to do this it would only cost me about £0.26-£0.29 per litre. Thats a huge saving, might involve more work for me but lately I'm becoming willing to make such sacrifices. Not only will I feel better off but I might even feel good about doing my bit.

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/27/2006 4:30 am:
For anyone who doubts the motivations behind the current regime, I refer you to newamericancentury dot org. Read their Statement of Principles and note who the signers are. In part:

America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Then go read the articles and policy statements under Middle East/Iraq for the period 1997-2000.

elysianpleasure 49M

4/27/2006 5:31 am

I can't wait for this guy to get out of here... I come from a state that help elect the man... that alone just scares the crap out of me.

TrapsTomesSteed 43M
202 posts
4/27/2006 7:14 am

" might as well encourage bicycle driven generators for home use."
Two birds with one stone. That would help address the nation's obesity problem I'm always reading about, too.

As for fuel blend complexity, it reduces fossil fuel useage, but I don't think it reduces cost. Last I read, ethanol was more expensive to process. I think the other alt fuels you mentioned have more merit at this point.

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/27/2006 11:36 am:
The "complexity" that TTiger referred to was different blends for different times of the year and localities and the logistical problems of switching production and getting them to where they have to go.

papyrina 52F
21133 posts
4/27/2006 9:12 am

In Greece were one of the poorest countries in Europe yet now pay over 4.00$ a gllon at the same time we use more per head than germany as this goverment here does nothing to help with costs for solar heating and water yet in germany they do,i also walk alot and take public transport,my heating bills this year were shocking even though i turned it lower and put on extra clothes,if we all did our bit to cut down and hit the companies were it hurts ,it may help.
as for war in the future i thank god i don't have kids to pass on this World too,we it good and proper and some goverments and poeple will continue to do for a long time,pity i only have another 50 years or so to live so i will be around to see the shit we have made for our selves come true.
I won't blame it all on the States as too many others are working together,big business rules the World

I'm a

i'm here to stay

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/27/2006 11:39 am:
Yes, Papy, there is plenty of blame to go around. The U.S. is the richest and could provide leadership, but instead chooses to make war and defer to corporate interests instead of trying to help the situation. On a proportional basis, that makes us the worst offender.

frogger1995 40F

4/27/2006 4:11 pm

Sorry it took so long for me to get back to network was on the fritz (damn SBC!) Anyway, doesn't it just figure that Bush's solution would somehow screw us in another way...~shakes head and sighs~

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 4/27/2006 5:32 pm:
I'm in Dallas this week, and have been without internet all afternoon. Hotel says it's the phone company. Do you have to put up with this crap regularly?

And as a side note, how do you survive here????

SirMounts 103M

5/8/2006 7:26 am

We can cut prices at the pump today, by eliminating the federal tax on gasoline. And we would have more money to spend on gas, if the rest of our taxes were cut. What is the federal goverment waiting for???
This is a very good blog, kelli4u2dew. *smiling*

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 5/8/2006 4:35 pm:
17.9 cents a gallon isn't very much. And exactly why should I borrow money to give to Exxon? That's what happens when taxes are cut, we're borrowing the money because we ain't got it. By the end of GWB's administration, we will have cut taxes by a total of 881 billion, and increased the national debt by 1.5 trillion. Even a 6th grader can tell you the math does't work out.

And thanks!

SirMounts 103M

5/10/2006 9:10 am

Well, I agree that the national debit has grown enormously since the 1930's, when deficit spending became the norm. But the deficit, as a percentage of the gross domestic product, is still pretty resonable... although I favor the passage of a constitutional amendment to require a balanced budget.
The rest would probably better be discussed in a less restrictive format then this one. But I will ask this... if it wasn't for the oil companies, how would we get gasoline at all? *winking*'re very welcome, kelli4u2dew. *smiling broadly*

rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 5/10/2006 5:07 pm:
What do we do when the interest on the national debt becomes so large we can't pay it? We could have had a balanced budget and paid down the deficit under the plan Clinton had in place.

Almost all countries have declared that oil belongs to the country, not private interests. Under your argument, we should have all the schools, roads, police and fire, and the military privatized. Why stop at oil and health care?

TJloves2pleasure 41M
3 posts
5/12/2006 2:45 am

You could always get around the gas utilization by buying a diesel engine car (there are some actual nice looking ones these days too). Once you get the car the diesel engines you have two great benefits:

1. Less pollution given off
2. French Fry Oil can replace diesel fuel

French Fry Oil which restaurants around the US throw away can replace diesel within the car engine without any damage to the engine as well as only a 5 to 10% drop in fuel efficiencies.

On the more expensive side and only really available in Europe right now is Hydrogen fuel cells. BMW has made a series using this technology for over a decade now. It's just the ass hole US government is against putting up the capital to support such a transition in the US... even though the word Hydrogen Fuel Cells has become a key word that has been thrown around as of lately it will take billions to put into place the stations and the risk of an explosion and other side effects are there so to many people will be to quick to run from it.

Last tid bit.... in the mid 1980's there was the development of Nuclear Thermal Propulsion that they tested within a few automobiles.... fun stuff!! LoL

SirMounts 103M

5/12/2006 9:06 am

Well, I would guess that we have some differences in political philosophies, and it is always wise not to allow the conversation to become difficult. I always believe in respecting the views of the other, in order that the conversation remain civil, and even friendly. *smiling* There really is no one correct ideological way.
It is clear that the lion's share of the current deficit is due to the war in Iraq, that came about partly due to the war on terror, which itself accounts for another huge chuck of increased government spending. And that came about after 911, an event that would have been avoided had Mr. Clinton not ordered the CIA to not shoot, when they had Bin Laden in their gun sights. The rest of the deficit comes from pork barrel spending, and it is a crime what the Republicans and Democrats do there. It might be good to elect a few Libertarians to the congress, so that Someone would blow the whistle on those guys!
Yes, the countries who have have oil do own the oil. Because economies are booming, including now the rapidly growing economy of China, the world is using oil in record amounts. But with supply lagging behind demand, prices rise. And so those countries with oil, are making astronomically more in revenues than any oil company could ever imagine.
Hey, I think you're on to something about privatizing most everything. Our local government went to private waste removal. The company was able to increase efficiency by 70%, and cut costs almost in half.
Imagine schools where kids actually learn. *dreamy*

rm_dodg01 44M
9 posts
8/19/2006 4:46 am

Its BS

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