Words that Offend and Racial Slurs  

rm_Ptalk1155 35M
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5/16/2006 8:35 am

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Words that Offend and Racial Slurs

Over on 007sexy40plus's blog, there's a post regarding words that set you off. In there, there was a comment made about not letting words affect you, one in particular given 007's ethnicity, which earned all kinds of criticism. I stepped in to agree with the view that words are just words, and since I know many of you will disagree with me, I've moved my responses here where I can be more eloquent and responsive.

A couple of people argued that fighting against racial slurs is somehow indicative of solving the racial divides. I disagree. Let's use the word that 007 pointed out. If you call me a nigger, I'm not going to be offended. Even with all that word implies, it won't bother me. Why? Because I'm not black. Right? Well, If I can call you a nigger and you're black, and you don't get offended, then you must no longer think of yourself first as a black. Instead, in your hierarchy of "you", it will be something else at the top. Human->American->black->etc.

And THAT is a racial divide healed. As long as we continue to maintain these racial distinctions we can never be whole. It's ok to BE black. It's ok to BE gay. But we need not define ourselves by these things. We're all human first. You can be proud of your heritage/orientation/sex without letting it define you. And the first step in doing that is to learn to let such words wash over us and pass by. Words only have as much power as we grant them, and if you refuse to be offended by words, then they can't be offensive.

I don't argue we need to run around using racial epithets for the fun of it. But we don't have to allow them to carry the stigma they do.

You can call me a cracka, you can call me a wop, a stuck Irish pig, a Polock, a mutt, and you're not going to bother me, because my heritage does not define my life. Call me something like that, I'll laugh at you, because it demonstrates that you're simply unable to say something meaningful. If so-called minorities can learn to do the same, watch how fast these words which once offended so deeply die off.

starlight_runner 40F

5/16/2006 3:59 pm

glad someone understands the point.When has fighting solved anything?
It wasnt personal and I stand by what I said.If peeps stop taking such a reaction to being called such names like nigger then children wont see it as a problem and it will as you say die out.

Names are only offensive if you let them be.

I know you were only making your point and in no way trying to defend me.I hope everyone understands that and doesnt give you grief for it.

Kisses Star

rm_Ptalk1155 replies on 5/17/2006 7:45 am:
They'll give me grief simply for having the audacity to suggest that racial slurs aren't nearly as harmful as we make them out to be.

It's not really about fighting (there are always times when fighting is the best option), but about learning to not think of ourselves by our divisions.

bardicman 51M

5/16/2006 11:50 pm

Its easy to get worked up over words when you are trying to make a point but others are to shallow to see your point.

I could go on such a rant here but in full respect to the peacfulness of Blogville I shall decline. I do agree with the point that ptalk makes.

I am not dead yet

rm_Ptalk1155 replies on 5/17/2006 8:40 am:
Yeah, it is easy to get worked up, and that's why I advocate the conscious decision to maintain perspective before flying off the handle.

If you choose to withhold your rant for the overall Blogville peace, that's your decision, but in my blog you are welcome to make your points accordingly so long as no unfounded accusations are hurled about.

rm_saintlianna 46F
15466 posts
5/17/2006 9:45 am

And I am gonna fly around the room with balloons tied on my ass. The world dont work that way, never has, never will. Its a nice thought though.

rm_Ptalk1155 replies on 5/17/2006 10:41 am:
It does work that way. How many Italians are going to lose their minds if you call them a wop? You would get killed for that 50 years ago if that person had a hint of Italian heritage. Now that's not the case, and the word isn't really used because it's useless. Since it has no alternative meaning other to insult, and nobody's offended by it enough to react to it, where's the point of using it? There is none, so we've phased it out.

The same can be true of any racial slur that comes up, but we have to stop hiding behind "the world doesn't work that way" and political correctness. The world works however way we choose it to work.

digdug41 50M

5/17/2006 9:52 am

well I will say this if I took the martin luther king jr approach I would agree with you but thats not the case coz I'd be more like malcom X and you aint gotta like me, but you will respect me. and you will watch what comes out of your mouth to me, I dont care the intentions just some shit you dont say and thats that you can debate and rationalize it all you want

roaming the cyber streets of blogland

rm_Ptalk1155 replies on 5/17/2006 11:28 am:
That's too bad, because Martin Luther King Jr. was quite possibly the best leader blacks ever had. Here was a man who stood up in a time of violent opposition to black equality and demanded that we hold true to the principles of our Constitution, and he did it without violence. He did it with sheer force of will and the courage to stand for what was right rather than what was popular. In the face of derrogatory words, he used better words, inspiring words. And he died for it. If only young black people idolized men like him, instead of gangsta rappers, we'd be much better off.

Respect is earned, not given. And I will never watch what comes out of my mouth, because I live in a country that whose founding principles grant freedom of speech without exception to all citizens. I don't care if you're a Nazi, a KKK, a Cryp, or a Blood, you can say whatever the fuck you want here, the word 'fuck' included. You have the right to be offended by what people say to you and respond in kind, but you will NOT limit my freedom of speech to appease your tender sensibilities. And Martin Luther King Jr. not only understood this, but he used it to raise the black community up a few notches. Do you think you'd be able to eat in the same restaurant, drink at the same fountain, piss in the same bathroom as me if he'd lost his cool every time somebody called him a nigger?

"'America' isn't easy. 'America' is advanced citizenship; you've gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, 'You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil who's standing center stage advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.'"
-President Andrew Shepherd (Micheal Douglas) The American President

I no more tolerate political correctness as I do religion telling me I can't swear or talk about sex in public. And even though there are ignorant assholes in the world that I would just as soon see shut up, I will not stifle them. And I will not give them the satisfaction of offending me, nor will I lower myself enough to allow them to do it.

rm_saintlianna 46F
15466 posts
5/17/2006 12:53 pm

You know its a shame, I dont want to fight with you or be smart, but if you could see how much you have hurt these people by what you, Amber, Star, Raptor, and whoever else have said here maybe you would understand a little more about respecting a person as a human being VS "tolerating" or "not tolerating" political correctness.

I am sorry you all feel the need to persue this.

rm_Ptalk1155 replies on 5/17/2006 3:29 pm:
Please refrain from lumping me in with anyone else. I have no interest in Blogville's petty squabbling and have posted on noone's blog but my own since I moved my discussion of the subject here where it could remain neutral between myself and those who disagree with my viewpoint and wish to discuss it.

digdug41 50M

5/17/2006 2:38 pm

ok Ptalk so then its ok to say hateful things is what your tellin me then, ok cool I see where your coming from, that was my point and yeah MLK may have been for peace but he went about it the sucker way and no matter what you think he may have accomplished it still got his ass killed same with malcolm X but you see they didnt fuck with malcolm and no one dared disrespect him that was also my point so yeah you go ahead under that guise of freedom of speech if you want to but you know you'd watch your mouth in a situation of your life or death so you figure it out, I am done with this subject I cant take it no more ppl are choosing sides and I aint with it I didnt come here for this so with that you take it how you like, I dont harvest no bad feelings towards you ,you believe what you want and I'll believe what I want we can agree to disagree

roaming the cyber streets of blogland

rm_Ptalk1155 replies on 5/17/2006 3:42 pm:
You misunderstand my post. I did not say it was 'ok to say hateful things.' I said that freedom of speech protects our ability to say hateful things, but more importantly, protects our ability to say things others might not like. And I've shot off my mouth in situations of life and death before, and I'm still here. Clearly either somebody likes me upstairs, or people are more tolerant than they're given credit for.

Also you forget, Malcom X was in the gound before MLK was shot. So, whose way worked longer? Something to think about is it not?

I'm not taking sides in this blogville squabble either, even though I've been put on a side without my knowledge or approval. I only care about the issue itself, and have no need to bring in specific people into it or use the issue as a guise to attack someone else.

We can agree to disagree, and I appreciate and thank you for your ability to keep your opinions directed at the subject at hand, not the people behind it.

rm_saintlianna 46F
15466 posts
5/17/2006 2:44 pm

How many Italians are going to lose their minds if you call them a wop?

Just one more thing, why dont you go call one the Gotti's that and see what happens.

rm_Ptalk1155 replies on 5/17/2006 3:51 pm:
Yes and the Gotti family really represents the average Italian...

_Adriane_ 48M

5/17/2006 10:12 pm

Would someone please shoot the horse already!

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