Dark Thoughts..  

rm_Kissmystuff 62F
2665 posts
6/17/2006 9:49 am

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Dark Thoughts..

What can wound someone..or bring them to such a low point that they would consider taking their own life?

The statistics on the suicide among our young..our CHILDREN..is frightening. Certain populations within our country..such as that among African-American males..for instance..have higher rates of suicide..than others.

For a country that tauts it's caring and concern so loudly..why is this growing..getting more wide spread? For those religious folks out there..don't tell me it's a need to "come to Jesus"..or whoever else you believe in. We've been coming to Jesus more than ever..for the past few years. And things seem to be accelerating..rather than getting better.

The street preachers I used to come across downtown..don't approach me any more. In fact..they go the other way when they see me. When I started giving them the history lessons..about the origins of their religions..they weren't very pleased. They never seemed able to refute. And frankly..I've become proud of the fact that some of them have called me a heathen.

Don't misunderstand me. I believe that belief..is a powerful tool for healing. But frankly folks..it seems to be falling far short of what's needed. God is not going to save us. Isn't that like passing the buck..absolving ourselves of the responsibility?

I ache..cry..for those of us lost in that pit of darkness. Maybe..what it really needs is more reaching out to others. More showing of concern for others. A touch..a smile..a cheerful hello..to that stranger on the street. A call to a friend..a family member..even if it's nothing more than to say "I love you". Sometimes just being with someone..in silence..just so they know that someone cares enough to be there.

And so people..I do think..it is our responsibility..by reaching out to others..we save ourselves and each other.

Maybe you have some thoughts on the matter?

Artwork: "Black Rose" by Mother Nature. (It's a peice of marble. The pattern and colors..I think..speak well to the subject at hand).


PineyFolks 60M/60F

6/17/2006 11:17 am

I agree with the religion and "come to jesus" thing. You are right, God isn't going to save anyone, it is up to them to do it. My 18 y/o daughter has lost 5 friends in the last 2 years to suicide. I have been there in my life as well. So I can understand the feelings that drive a person there. We need to be more supportive of family and friends instead of judging. That's my view.

tumbleweed42 63M
143 posts
6/17/2006 11:17 am

Hi Kiss
I tend to agree with you. I lost any interest in organized religion a long time ago. I still have some spirituality and just stick to the philosophy of helping others. I hope the sun is shining brightly in your world!

rm_cru1972 46M
4407 posts
6/17/2006 11:31 am

Having been to that low point in my life I have to agree, maybe just a kind word, or an Ilve you would not have tried

Lovin_U_4_Fun 55F

6/17/2006 2:24 pm

My friend and I spent the morning talking about this very issue. We have a belief that Americans just aren't very good at forming real, caring communities. Other cultures are much better at this task!

I have a theory that addresses your concern over the rise of African American males suffering from suicidal tendencies. I believe the answer lies in the root of the problem. So many of us are raised to believe we are bad or that there is something fundamentally wrong with us. I really don't know why this is, but children in our culture feel worthy of they get good grades, do well in sports, or are able to navigate the social scene with aplomb. There is an inherent belief that they must accomplish something in order to be worthy. Take a group of people who are in a position that makes it harder to accomplish anything and the logical conclusion would be they feel less worthy.

I believe the key to healthy communities (which leads to healthy individuals) begins with enough individuals believing that they are "ok" just as God made them. The power of the Christian belief in grace astounds me! If one can accept themselves as wonderfully human, wonderfully flawed, then you can accept others as wonderfully human and wonderfully flawed. Then you are confident in your ability to help where you are with whatever gifts you have to offer and nothing more!

My friend and I are thinking of writing a book about community development. My degree is in group dynamics, so I am not referring to the scientific, technical aspects -- I am talking about the art of creating wonderfully healthy communities. It is possible!

Thanks for the reminder that it is needed!

I am going to be silly and share a few lines from a song that was popular when I was a kid.

Up, up with people! You see them wherever you go.
Up, up with people, they're the best kind of folks we know.
If more people were for people, all people everywhere
we'd have a lot less people to worry about and a lot more
people who care!

Nightguy_1961 56M
4866 posts
6/17/2006 10:52 pm


I turned my back on organized religion over a decade ago...and I used to be a Sunday School teacher in the UMC. But when my life fell apart at the seams, no one from my church wanted to give me the time of day, because my ex-wife had already gotten back into the congregation and told her sob story at how bad I was.....

About depression...unless you yourself have been in that pit, you cannot know what it is like. Maybe it's an imbalance of chemicals in the brain, maybe it's the way a person was brought up in life...who knows?

There used to be caring communities at one time, but something has changed over time. Was it the advance of the 'Me' generation? Or maybe it was the belief that any problem could be fixed with a pill that made people stop opening their hearts to others? Again...who knows?

Great post...as usual.

NG61...slipping back into the darkness....

rm_Kissmystuff 62F
1435 posts
6/18/2006 11:23 am

As always..your visit and comment is appreciate.

I know I've been lax in getting to others blogs and repaying the visits. I'm still fighting an infection..so am not as bouncy and energetic as usual. Please be patient with me. I will get there.

Your child has been through a loss that no child should have to experience. How is she holding up?

I agree with you..judgment has no place in showing love and support.

Sadly..religion seems to be more a matter of ego..and an instrument of controlling some and judging others..rather than one of nurturing and caring.

Things in my world are looking up. I hope all is well with you.

Hopefully..you will never get to that point again. Remember..you always have friends here you can reach out to.

There was a time when people within our communities did support and express caring for its members. In some ways..it still exists in some communities.

The rise in suicide is not just happening in the African American communities..but nation wide. I would equate the drug epidemic to this as well. No race..class or religion..is exempt.

The idea you express about how to build better communities is something I agree with. My thoughts have run along the same lines. This is something I discuss with my daughters..especially the one who will be getting her teaching degree shortly..in early childhood education.

I hope you write that book..would enjoy reading it.

Isn't it strange how the very organizations that are supposedly full of light and love..are able to treat people so shabbily?

Studies have shown that part of the reason for depression is chemical imbalance..but emotions..brought on by memories can also play a part.

I also believe that..not only a person's past..but current environment can cause toxins in a person's being. Not just their physical body..but also the finer..more subtle elements..of a human being..something which science does not yet know how to detect or measure.

When you consider the toxic state of our world..the environment..the emotions and thoughts..the activities..is it any wonder..that people often feel a sense of hopelessness. We can change that..one person at a time..by reaching out to others around us..with love and caring.


RevJoseyWales 70M/67F
14393 posts
6/18/2006 8:25 pm

As with others here, I have no use for organized religion. I have problems trying to figure out which one is the true one, and how all the others can be so wrong. Never quite added up to me. Started my own. Works for me. Why do people end their lives? Absence of hope, pure and simple. When someone sees or believes that there is no hope for a better life, they give up. Religion is designed to give hope. The opiate of the masses it has been called. It keeps the populace quiet and less troublesome. Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."

redswallow777 49M
6811 posts
6/28/2006 5:14 pm

Maybe you have some thoughts on the matter?

No, I think you pulled that from the heart and I will second it.

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