Its not about hate.... Its what i believe..  

rm_KirkVW44m 56M
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6/13/2006 5:03 pm

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Its not about hate.... Its what i believe..

I was reading Amberabercrombie blog this morning before work and it was titled "Well which one is it?" The subject of this post was about a dear friend of hers calling her one evening and saying " I think i'm gay".... How do you think your gay do you all of a sudden? You have no attraction at all to the opposite sex? You feel you need to grow a pecker now? *sarcasm*...

Please follow me on this as i have a niece thats gay... Of course i love her but she knows not to ask if i accept the gay lifestyle because i don't.. In fact it will NEVER be considered acceptable by the majority on this planet of ours. You see LOVE stands alone it has nothing to do with sexual orientation... So lets take that out of the equation of argument right now.

Anybody that knows me in real life also knows I'm about as open minded as they come..My writings here obviously display that. I don't know of one person in my life that i per say hate. I've hated things people have done to me, but i know of no hatred for another held in my heart to this day. When we look at the morality of humanity we can't help look at the ten commandments.

I'm not going to list all but they are straight from biblical scripture. Thou shall not kill, Thou shall not steal, Thou shall not commit adultery.. My point in reference to this stuff is that we have had great civility and morality in life because our laws were written based off the bible and its principles were they not? You know religion used to be part of the family Sunday dinner gathering. Just for the record i'm not religious at all.

Do i support gay rights? What rights do gays have that are different then what i have? Don't gays have the basic same rights that i do? Yes.... because everybody is entitled to certain rights under our bible based democratic society and its laws. Do i support gay marriage? Like the *majority* no i don't as marriage is also biblical based as well as a long standing tradition of commitment as well as sacred ceremony between a man and woman... Please do not judge me for standing firm on a position that i believe in. Do i believe promoting the gay lifestyle as normal to children? No... kids these days are so screwed up already we don't need to throw this into there soup bowl.

Now i shall broaden the scope of this discussion. Look at our society today and look back lets say 50+ years or at least till i was born 44 years ago.. Family structure and traditions were intact even with two working parents... Kids were not killing each other or even considering school violence as that wooden paddle that swatted my ass on several occasions to the principals office fucking hurt trust me ..

Point being i was brought up to be well behaved and good mannered and be prepared to pay the price if i got out of line from that.. Most of you that read my blog know exactly what I'm talking about. Grandma was fair game for whipping my ass if i got out of line and she did.. Hit your kid today and social services gets word they take them away and you have to fight for your rights in court trying to raise your children. Yes i'm drifting off topic a bit for a reason. I ask you this question...

Haven't we been letting things go too much?? Simply accepting things first without question. Where is the discipline in modern society in parents and children? Where are traditions like marriage held ? Not very high anymore thats obvious. Marriage consists of a husband and wife to my knowledge not a husband and a husband or a wife and a wife.

Like i said I'm as open minded as they come but don't expect me to support or promote homosexuality or the gay lifestyle as normal. I'm one of the 99%+ males in this world that is heterosexual.. I love women, I'm attracted to women.. I'm not at ALL attracted to my own sex.

In ending our society is going down hill for a reason and one of those reasons is nobody is held accountable anymore.. People have lost there backbone in standing up for whats right as well as what they believe in and its easier for them to just let things go unchecked and thats one of the reason civilization as it stands right now is going down the gutters.

If i offended anybody then accept my apology for that but i always stand up for what i believe in wrong or right reguardless of what others may think of me.


6/13/2006 5:56 pm

I would rather my best gay friend be allowed to marry his partner of 5 years...or my coworker be allowed to marry his partner of 20 years, than for heterosexuals to be able get married, divorce, get married, divorce, get married and yet again, divorce whenever they feel like it. I am definitely for gay marriage and gay rights.

JuicyBBW1001 56F

6/13/2006 7:02 pm

Very thought provoking post. I have a lot of gay and bisexual friends most of whom I have met on this site. They have taught me to be more tolerant of the choices other's make.
If this country was built on the premises that everyone is entitled to the pursuit of happiness then we are not allowing everyone that privilege. By not allowing gay marriage or giving them the same rights as any other heterosexual married couple we are basically back peddling on the constitution.
But like anything else change for these people will not come without a price. All one has to do is look at the Civil Rights Movement, The Women's Movement and other groups who struggle for equality in a country that tots itself as home to the free and the brave.
Whether you accept the lifestyle or not is irrelevant. These people should not be treated any different but by denying them their right to pursuit happiness we as heterosexuals are.
Just my opinion.


imLadyBambi 59M/51F

6/13/2006 8:12 pm


Mr. Bambi here...

I think there are two problems with your argument. The first problem is that you r argument uses the Bible as its basis. While it is true that the laws of society were based on the Bible, that does not mean that the laws are supposed to follow the rules of the bible. Instead, the Bible was used so that the framers of the Constitution would not have to reinvent the wheel.

In light of the principal - separation of church and state. It is incumbant upon our society to legislate based on what is fair. Not based on what one religion says. Without gay marriage, partners are not afforded such things as company benefits (health, life insurance, etc.) for their partners; decisions regarding organ donation and DNR are often left to other people; Social Security benefits are affected; and the list goes on.

Perhaps the solution should be for the government to recognize the marriages. But with regard to religion, it would be up to each individual religion and church to decide whether or not to embrace the concept of gay marriage.

NSAAddict 43F

6/13/2006 8:33 pm

Thanks for honestly sharing your opinion. I think it's important to hear all sides. For me people are people and I accept them for who they are regardless of color, race, sexual preference or any other reason they might be outwardly different than I. I have many beloved gay friends and since June happens to be Gay Lesbian Bisexual Trangender Awareness Month, I thought I'd share the other side. The side that says we're all human and that's the only thing that matters. Just some food for thought...

I am the girl kicked out of her home because I confided in my mother that I am a lesbian.

I am the prostitute working the streets because nobody will hire a transsexual woman.

I am the sister who holds her gay brother tight through the painful, tear-filled nights.

We are the parents who buried our daughter long before her time.

I am the man who died alone in the hospital because they would not let my partner of twenty-seven years into the room.

I am the foster child who wakes up with nightmares of being taken away from the two fathers who are the only loving family I have ever had. I wish they could adopt me.

I am not one of the lucky ones. I killed myself just weeks before graduating high school. It was simply too much to bear.

We are the couple who had the realtor hang up on us when she found out we wanted to rent a one-bedroom for two men.

I am the person who never knows which bathroom I should use if I want to avoid getting the management called on me.

I am the mother who is not allowed to even visit the children I bore, nursed, and raised. The court says I am an unfit mother because I now live with another woman.

I am the domestic-violence survivor who found the support system grow suddenly cold and distant when they found out my abusive partner is also a woman.

I am the domestic-violence survivor who has no support system to turn to because I am male.

I am the father who has never hugged his son because I grew up afraid to show affection to other men.

I am the home-economics teacher who always wanted to teach gym until someone told me that only lesbians do that.

I am the woman who died when the EMTs stopped treating me as soon as they realized I was transsexual. (yes, this actually happened)

I am the person who feels guilty because I think I could be a much better person if I didn't have to always deal with society hating me.

I am the man who stopped attending church, not because I don't believe, but because they closed their doors to my kind.

I am the person who has to hide what this world needs most, love.

I am the person ashamed to tell my own friends I'm a lesbian, because they constantly make fun of them.

I am the teen who lost all his friends because I told them about me.

I am the boy tied to a fence, beaten to a bloody pulp and left to die because two straight men wanted to "teach me a lesson".

Borrowed from daybreak69 and shared out of the feeling that all people are created equal and shouldn't be mistreated because of their differences.

meerkittykat 43F

6/13/2006 9:34 pm

I respect your opinion and that it was discussed in a very civil fashion.

As a child of divorce, I would extend to you the opportunity to look at the current divorce rate in the United States..the divorce rate between two heterosexual people....and explain how this also contributes to the breakdown of the "family unit" and how it further allows kids to drift out of the so-called "accepted social fabric."

In that arguement, it seems that the whole concept of divorce is a way for two people not to take responsibility for their mistakes.

Just something to ponder.

itsallfun1957 60M

6/13/2006 10:08 pm

The beauty of this site and the blog venue is for exactly expressing your views and you have achieved that. My concern is that the intent or at the very least, my perceived intent of Amber's post was for expressing the support of a friend. Her question to the readers was not just the controversial marriage issue, but would we support a friend or a loved one who finally accepts their sexuality. The American way of life (Canadian way of life) was not the issue. Yes, I agree with you that the world has moved on since we were young but is it the change in the traditional nuclear family or is it that as technology has become our religion our values have changed? Change is change, we are all entitled to our views, but it is our responsibility to move forward with a constantly changing environment. I believe that is evolution. These are my thoughts and mine only.>>>itsallfun1957

LustyTaurus 49M
21253 posts
6/13/2006 10:23 pm

I will agree with your point about disciplining children and taking responsibility for our actions (or lack therof).

As far as the Bible references...who is right on their interpretations?...The Jews?...The Amish?...The Catholics?...The Unitarians?

Interesting post none-the-less...thanks.

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