The Water Wars  

puntachueca 106M
2534 posts
7/27/2006 3:13 am

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7/29/2006 6:38 am

The Water Wars

There's been a nasty war going on inside the US for a century now.

It's the war over water.

The growth of our major western cities...El Paso, Albuquerque, Denver, Phoenix, Tucson, Las Vegas, Los Angeles...have all been fueled by stealing water from their neighbors so they could grow.

Chinatown...Milagro Beanfield War...tell some of the stories.

We take our drinking water for granted in our cities. And most people have no clue of how that water got to their homes and swimming pools and lawns.

Tucson, for example, drilled wells along side a neighboring Indian Reservation and sucked it dry.

The supply of potable water is a very finite resource. The wars over water are going to spread.

Do you know where your water comes from?

catkit13 67F

7/27/2006 3:19 am

you can't sleep right now either, huh?

puntachueca replies on 7/27/2006 6:37 am:
no. had anice storm around 4 am.

FunSeekerInTheSu 40M

7/27/2006 4:25 am

Camels don't need very much water - there are two types you know. Bactrian and Dromedary. However, both spit!

We're evolving - this is the age of change that humans have spoken/dreamt/channelled/prophesied/written/sung/ and meditated upon for so long ... and it's going to be a very special and magical time too for those who believe and understand this....and perhaps not so good for those who've forgotten, or just simply did not evolve in the time given. No matter what shit comes down, Love your fellow man!

I Try to sleep in peace...sometimes it works when I'm centred. I'm all for finding humour again - it helps alot. For me anyway.


puntachueca replies on 7/27/2006 6:38 am:
you are right there guy!!!!

MoutnainGirl 38F

7/27/2006 8:34 am

From my sink of course.. silly questions..

Moutnain Girl

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puntachueca replies on 7/28/2006 7:02 am:


7/27/2006 11:12 am

duh God!

just a squirrel trying to get a nut

puntachueca replies on 7/28/2006 7:02 am:
God gives us many is what we do with these gifts that is the problem

want2play926 46F

7/27/2006 11:44 am

From the well in my fron yard and the store where I buy bottled water and that says it is from the moutain springs of PA!

puntachueca replies on 7/28/2006 6:55 am:
The bottle water probably comes from a municipal water supply...we tested a bunch of it out here and that's what we found.

rm_kelli4u2dew 42F
5220 posts
7/27/2006 12:44 pm

My brother had a girlfriend who worked in a greenhouse. A woman brought in a plant wanting to know what was wrong with it. In the course of asking questions, she asked where their water came from (city or well was the intention) and the woman said, "From the tap."

The Western Slope of the Rockies is undergoing desertification from overgrazing, same as the Sahara. Every blade of blue grass planted in the west is a crime against nature. I see people argue that technology will save us from what we're doing to the environment. For all we know, mankind has raised civilizations before, only to have ice ages erase them.

6 years into a drought, and no end in sight.

puntachueca replies on 7/28/2006 6:57 am:
You are remarkably aware of what's going on !!!! Good for you.

I was in one of the little towns on the west slope and saw a bunch of cowboys sitting at a table at the local cafe (every small town has a cafe with a table full of locals) so I walked up and sat down and asked "who'se trying to steal your water?" I spent the next week everyt morning hearing them rant about Denver. Same goes for just about any rural area near a big city.

cairnsmale55 107M

7/27/2006 9:08 pm

Who was it that said "Water water everywhere but not a drop to drink'?

I am sure there is a scientific explanation as to where water comes from but we do as humans tend to waste a lot and pollute what we do save.

puntachueca replies on 7/28/2006 6:58 am:
Yep. And it is a crime against Nature what we do.

QueenOfSwords 35F

7/27/2006 10:52 pm

My parents and grandparents live in the countryside back in Australia, my home country. There has been a drought there for so long now, crows fly backwards to keep the dust out of their eyes, and state governments are beginning to recycle sewage to get water.

puntachueca replies on 7/28/2006 6:59 am:
I love the crows flying backwards.
Recycling sewage is going to be the norm....and we're getting all the estrogen in our wastewater now from hormone replacement therapy meds...

amoldenough 71F
16436 posts
7/27/2006 11:56 pm

I believe that our water comes from the Great Lakes, which I hate to see. Now other states want to get theirs too. In a way, it would only be fair because several states and part of Canada do border on them. A while back some country, and I'm sorry I don't remember, wanted to dump their waste in our beautiful lakes! Heresy, I say!!!!

"Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened."

puntachueca replies on 7/28/2006 7:01 am:
Dumping waste in lakes is nasty stuff...and into rivers also...because we just recycle it back and have to drink it. How anyone can seriously justify polluting amazes me. Because the cost of cleaning the water back up ends up in our water bills so we're subsidizing corporate swine who claim to be capitalists but are really socilaists with a lot of Republican friends.

RevJoseyWales 70M/67F
14393 posts
7/28/2006 7:36 pm

Right from my own little well. Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."

puntachueca replies on 7/29/2006 6:40 am:
wells are good. I found I have an old water right so I'm going to redrill the well on the site. put solar panels and a pump on it so no electric bill. going to put a windmill up (if I can get a variance from the land use police) for the solar panels.

FunSeekerInTheSu 40M

7/29/2006 12:45 am

Wow - Desert people seem to understand the situation for what it really is I guess - Being affronted with the reality of water shortage in "Cities" and people in countries like myself (New Zealand), where water is incredibly Abundant!

However, I wanted to add a short story to your post, Puntachueca:

There is a Lake in the central North Island of 'Clean, Green' New Zealand that has become completely contaminated with something called "Algae Bloom". For decades, water run-offs from over-farmed commercialised operations, Business/Industry, and TREATED Sewerage had been allowed to flow into this lake (Lake Rotorua) to be 'Absorbed' by nature. The Eco system 'Appeared' to handle this quite well for many decades.

For years it had been a popular trout fishing retreat. A place of Natural beauty and escape for many avid anglers and people who enjoyed the water.

Today, in the space of 5-6 years, the entire ecological system has broken down. There are very few (if any) fish or native species of water-life (including eels) left - and if you did 'catch one', you'd be mad to eat it. You would get very sick. The water is undrinkable. The Algae bloom that has now found a niche environment to feed off the waste of society, has exploded in the warm temperate climate - suffocating all other life. There are no means to eradicate the Rogue Algae. There is no way to 'spray it' (Yes, this was an option considered by the City and Borough Councils)- they thought poisoning it might work.

This algae (didimo Bloom) is red/brown and spongy looking - It would be akin to Calf shit that has the runs (sorry for the imagery).
It is verocious and spreads at an incredible rate. Through-out many naturally occuring water-ways, rivers and lakes found in New Zealand. The appearance of this Algae has caused considerable concern for the Department of Conservation becasue it is so hard to get rid of. It suffocates the water environment of oxygen and space, vital for all fresh water-species.

The natural water New Zealand is blessed with has been contaminated and messed with for such a long time. The very reason it has been hard to observe the pollution effect in our society is due to the very reason that it is such a Natural reserve beauty. The very environment has had the 'ability' to HIDE alot of the immediate effects of modern life of our society.

Slowly, but surely, the water situation has proven to no longer be able to support the fragile eco-system. The unbalance probably occurred some time ago. Now the symptoms have appeared and the cycle of destruction has gained considerable momentum.

WE even BUY water here now too!!!!!!!!!!! An Island nation SURROUNDED by and INTERNALLY blessed with abundant sources of water!...and we BUY it from shops and the supermarket. Because it's 'healthier' and 'clean'.

In our country, we do not use Nuclear energy. We have a system based on Hydro-electricity. It is BARELY keeping up with fact, depending on who you talk to, our Nation's consumer and business demand has officially outgrown the Electricity supply.
The reason I am talking about this is because in order for our country to create electricity, it must have the water to do so. In particular, some very major rivers that many people use for sports, recreation and IRRIGATION in the South Island. These Farmers - Beef/Sheep/Horticulture - have been ordered to disassemble their water irrigation systems by 2008 (thats 2 years) - 2 years to turn around a farming operation that has lastest for many, many years. This is in an area of NZ now plagued with drought in the Summer and harsh winters. The water is now needed to supply electricity Hydro - stations on the Clutha river (South Island) and various others through-out the country.

We aren't even a Desert! And people here are concerned about water resourcing.

There's more...but I've realised just how much I've written!


puntachueca replies on 7/29/2006 6:44 am:
Thank you!! Can I share this with my friends. It is a very telling story about how in solving one problem we create others and it spirals downward.

Healing the waters!!!! That's what we need. The appreciation that water is a sacred and we must take great care with it. I was reading a book by a Japanese guy who has proven the molecular structure of water changes when it is abused and that when a bunch of people surround a polluted lake and think positively about it, the water actual starts cleaning up...amazing thing.

FunSeekerInTheSu 40M

7/29/2006 12:57 am

What about "Desalination Plants"? - Taking water from the Sea Coast of the U.S. and piping it to Desert Cities...desalination plants then siphon and 'clean' the water through a distilling filtration process that removes the salt and any other unknowns. Not sure of the energy requirements...

Saudi Arabia has many desalination plants - but then they can 'afford' to operate them on Oil.


puntachueca replies on 7/29/2006 6:47 am:
There's been a lot of discussion about that...first problem it takes a huge amount of electricity...burning fossil fules...the sdecond is the waste brine contaminates wherever it is discharged...

The best solution is not mess it up in the first place if you've got it.

And it is nuts building giant cities in the desert...there's an ancient Indian civilzation that lived here 1000 years ago and they ran into a water shortage and all that's left is the ruins of their cities.

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