puntachueca 106M
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6/22/2006 9:04 pm

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This piece of advice is provided free of charge to anyone who might need it.

NEW YORK: In the wake of the acquittal of four New York City policeman who fired 41 shots at Amadou Diallo (19 of which hit him), numerous questions have been raised.

The first, was why did the police miss on 22 occasions? In many cities, the officers would have been subjected to at least a week without pay for missing so many times.

The second, and most important to those likely to be stopped by the police, is how to avoid being shot.

Diallo was reaching for what turned out to be his wallet when he was gunned down in a fusillade of bullets.

When police stop people, they assume the people are armed and dangerous. They fear that if they let the subject get the drop on them, they will be shot. Thus, they approach the subject ready to fast draw and shoot.

Citizens of lower income neighborhoods generally are more experienced with dealing with hair trigger police, since they are more likely to be stopped repeatedly. This is not, however called "profiling" by the police, who explain "if 90% of the people in the neighborhood are Black, then 90% of the people we confront are likely to be Black." This does not, however explain the high probability that a Black person will also be accosted in a 99% while neighborhood. "In that event, the person doesn't fit," said one cop.

But, in the event you are stopped by the police, and are unfamiliar with the rules of police encounters, I have the following advice which was learned years ago when I used to be followed around by the FBI...

(1) When a cop says "Get Out Of Your Car!" He means NOW! Do not ask "why?" Just comply immediately. Failure to immediately submit to Authority raises the suspicion that you are holding a machine gun in your lap.

(2) Never, ever move suddenly in the presence of a police officer. They will think you are reaching for a gun.

(3) If stopped in a vehicle, keep your hands in plain sight. Don't reach under your seat or into the glove compartment, because these are known places guns are hidden.

(4) When standing up, never reach into your pockets for anything. Even your wallet. In one infamous occasion, the police stopped an undercover agent, who tried to reach inside his coat to get his badge. He's dead, of course.

(5) If the cops say "Hands Up!" reach for the sky. If they say "Down on the Ground" dig in fast. The slightest hesitation will likely result in them knocking you to the ground.

(6) Don't say very much. A simple "yes sir" and "no sir" will do. Cops don't like smart asses. The more you mouth off, the more trouble you'll be in. A lot of times a simple stop will escalate into a serious problem for you due to your mouthing off.

(7) If you suspect your civil rights are being violated, don't try your case on the street. Cops are not judges. Your primary goal is to survive the encounter so you can hire a lawyer and let him do the court.

Remember, the rule of the street is that if a cop feels his life is in danger, he can shoot and get away with it.

QueenOfSwords 35F

6/22/2006 9:50 pm

Only in America

puntachueca replies on 6/23/2006 6:27 am:
This is why the rest of the world ought to be very afraid of us. We're an armed and extremely crazy country. The shit going down in Iraq is the same crap...shoot everything that moves...even children.

They decided to put troop on our border with Mexico and everyone here is freaked, because at least cops are trained not to shoot civilians...most of the time.

rm_kalanchoe88 55F

6/22/2006 10:08 pm

"years ago when I used to be followed around by the FBI..."

You can't just drop a hint like that and not explain it. Enquiring minds want to know!

puntachueca replies on 6/23/2006 6:33 am:
Back in the '60's I was the publisher of an anti Viet Nam war underground newspaper. J Edgar himself lauynched a campaign against the alternative press called "cointelpro" which consisted of a lot of harassment. I still have an aversion to light colored four door seads with guys in suits wearing sunglasses.

Later in life I got a job as a prosecutor and ended up babysitting undercover cops working in the field as "quality control" the advice is very real.

Almost all police shootings happen with young newbie cops.

My sister just retired after 31 years as a cop and the thing she was most proud of is she never ever discharged her weapon the whole time.

complexlysimple 35M

6/23/2006 5:48 pm

very true. try and seem as harmless as possible ...though it's not easy when a person's shear size qualifies them as armed and dangerous (I've nearly had a cop draw on me for standing on a sidewalk, while others where breaking up a fight) ... I've worked with cops before so I definitely agree newbies/younger cops are the absolute worst ...way too eager.

puntachueca replies on 6/23/2006 7:25 pm:
I love the concept of "looking suspicious" whether it be size, color, style of about quicktime stereotyping.

complexlysimple 35M

6/23/2006 7:54 pm

I guess in a way I can understand it in some cases though ..come in to a potentially hazardous situation not knowing what's going on. The first thing that has always came to my mind on the occasions I've had to break up fights is: just break it up, avoid getting hurt then try to sort it out later....

No, what I can't stand is when the officer is being rude or commanding without being polite first, it's a good way -for them- to escalate the confrontation needlessly ...and usually made by young/rookie cops on a power trip ...that need to be fixed perhaps adding genuine politeness to the continnum of force before commanding -if it's not there already.

puntachueca replies on 6/23/2006 8:33 pm:
You are absolutely right.

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