the way I look at things  

outdoorsman3174 43M
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2/26/2006 12:19 am

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the way I look at things

ok, I was just berated a little bit by mizzkitka over on KDR305's blog post politics for the 21st Century for referring to President Bush as the Antichrist.

I'll admit, Antichrist is a little bit harsh. But woefully inept would be a little to lenient.

Lets just settle on outgoingly evil.

I was accused of being a liberal. Not that there is anything wrong with being liberal, however labeling someone a conservative or a liberal is such a broad generalization that it is almost always inaccurate.

The whole concept of labeling a person a liberal as if it were some terrible insult was brought to us by none other than Rush Limbaugh. It was a brilliant tactic. He could take a person who was obviously unstable, expose their ridiculous idea, call them a liberal, and then infer that all other liberals felt exactly the same way.

Example. If a group was trying to save a historic tree from being cut down, and one person in the group said something incredibly stupid like "The tree will feel pain while their cutting it down!", he would beat that dead horse, and by the time he was done he had his listeners believing that the liberals in congress are trying to outlaw chainsaws because trees have feelings.

Needless to say, nobody would want to be called a liberal. As a result, the entire country has taken a dramatic slide to the right.

14 years ago, before I ever even heard of Rush Limbaugh, I was a registered Republican. I had a roommate in college who's father was a Republican Senator, and needless to say, my roommate and I discussed politics a lot. He would invite me to his father's for dinner, and we discussed politics. I agreed with several of their positions, and still do to this day.

In December, I was preparing to move cross country and tried to track down my old roommate. I called his father and, as usual, we discussed politics. Again, we agreed on most things. We had not spoken in more than 10 years, but we still agreed.

We were also both no longer Republicans. For me to change my party affiliation was not a big deal, for him however, it was. The reason, The party has changed.

We are both registered as independents.

The reasons I became a Republican 14 years ago are the same reasons I could not be one now.

1) Republicans were for smaller government and less government intrusion in to peoples lives.

In the past 5 years, our government has become larger and more intrusive than it has ever been. most of that has to do with homeland security, but a lot of it has to do with a fundamental change in the Republican party. Today's Republicans are predominantly religious fundamentalists who are so concerned about promoting their idea of family values, that they are trying to impose their values upon everyone else.

2) Republicans were for a strong Military

Our current military is overextended. They have not met recruiting goals for over 2 years, and have had a stop loss program in place almost as long. Invading Iraq caused this problem. We're trying to fight 2 wars at the same time in 2 different countries. We might have been able to accomplish that during the cold war when our military was much larger, but after the Berlin wall fell and the Soviet union collapsed we did not need a force that large. Today's Republicans blame Clinton for this, but in reality, the Military reduction was started by George H. W. Bush and had bipartisan support through the Clinton years. The bottom line is we are not equipped to fight a war on 2 fronts, and we should not have tried.

3) Trickle Down Economics.

This is about the only position I have changed in the past 14 years. When I was 18 it sounded like a great Idea. Now that I actually have to work for a living, I realize that it is a complete load of Sh*t. The wealthiest 5% of Americans did not get to be the wealthiest by giving their money away. They invest in companies that are going to show the best return on their investments. If that means cutting wages for employees, or sending jobs overseas, then that is what they will do. Giving them additional tax incentives to do it is counter productive and not in the best interest of anyone involved. Just look at the past 14 years. During Clinton, the dow shot from 2000 to 12,500. Everybody was making money and jobs were easy to find. The rich were becoming super rich. When the bubble finally burst the dow settled down to about 10,000. After 5 years of tax cuts, it hasn't moved much. Companies still need to compete for investors, and that competition has driven jobs overseas. Last year, the average household income in this country dropped! The wealthiest still increased. Basically, trickle down economics is terrible for the middle class.

If anything I am a moderate independent, just like 50% of the country. I'm the guy that politicians are trying to court. Both sides have there base, but it's people like me who end up deciding who wins and looses. And right now it's not looking good for the GOP in the Mid Terms.

KDR305 47M/47F

2/26/2006 10:09 am

So far I've read 2 post's of yours. The one on my blog, and this one on yours. I've been impressed with both of them. You have a great ability to formulate your thoughts into words that are a pleasure to read.

I want you and Mizz to do me a favor.

Forget the antichrist comment and all of the resulting fallout.

All that happened there was that you both inadvertently and unwittingly pushed each others within your first contact with each other.

I know Mizz fairly well through extensive blogging and emails. I think I at least have a solid impression of the type of man you are from your ability to communicate through text.

Unfortunately, you both put each other on the defensive right off the bat. Let's allow bygones to be bygones and move on to a more intellectual and illuminating discussion. Whatya say?

Mizz (I know you're following up on this one.)?

BTW outdoorsman: Thanks for stopping by my blog, and for the mention here. I'll be sure to check in from time to time.


outdoorsman3174 43M

2/26/2006 12:06 pm

Thanks for stopping by, I love talking politics. It even makes me want to argue with people I agree with just to see what they are going to say.

The Bush comments are water under the bridge as far as I am concerned, but I really feel that political discussion is important.

I know a lot of people who are completely devoted to one party or the other and when you ask them why, they don't know. When you ask them how they feel about specific issues, you learn that they have been voting against their best interest. I Have several in laws that fit this description nicely.

Well anyway, It's nice to meet a few people who actually have the ability to think for themselves.

angelgrrl 49F

2/26/2006 4:04 pm

Most Americans are socially liberal, financially conservative, and the Republican party is neither. The religious right and big business both have such a strong hold on that party there is no way they can be either. But they are VERY good at spin.

outdoorsman3174 43M

2/27/2006 10:31 am

No, but there finally learning. There starting to use those short little statements that Republicans have been using for years. Like "Compassionate Conservative"

Now they have "Culture of Corruption"

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