When the system fails  

nightstalker172 37M
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4/25/2006 8:18 pm

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When the system fails


I was reading the blog Troubled Children By


It made me think of the times that I got bullied...or should I say the times bullies attempted to bully me. A post made by SultryVirgo got to me that I just simply dont see that working. But then shes Canadian and apprently other coutries have an easier time with their kids than we do. Honestly I think thats true. Our coutry America has gone to shit and has become worse just within the last few years. Of course people are going to blaim Bush for it. But if you think about it. Laws are made by the people not the President...so whos fault is it really? At least thats how this country is SUPPOSED to run.

Anyway in school for the most part I would always keep to myself. Not because I had to but simply because I didnt really like anyone. I let only a select few ever be friends with me or know me in anyway. To me the things that popular kids conveted were stupid. The way they would argue about cloths or the right music to listen to or whatever they could think of. They where drones, weak, pathetic, whinning little bitches and I despised people like that. I never bothered them. I prefered that they stay in their world and I stay in mine. I was fine with that.

Sometimes though for whatever reason some 'guys' mostly would think they have something to prove or they wanted to show their dominance. For the most part it was just simply name calling and what not...which I would snap back sometimes as well...or roll my eyes. Sometimes there would be an asshole who would get mad when I would fire back...I have to know my place after all right..Im not allowed to make a funnier joke than him. Or simply the sight of me offended him for some reason. Now when I first started having this problem in gradeschool I would often tell a teacher about it. What did I get for my trouble? If I didnt see him do anything then there is nothing I can do. It would often force me to take action myself. What did I get for that? Suspended even though the fight was never started by me...but somehow I guess they punish the one who looks less beat up or something. When I got to middle school...Same routine different school. Only this time I was actaully put into anger management.....ANGER MANAGEMENT!...Yes Im angery...Im down right pissed off but not at the person whom is bulling me but AT YOU FOR DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT after I said something and did things by YOUR RULES.

What does this teach a child? It taught me to have no faith in the system and even to this day I still dont. For the most part I give everyone a chance no matter what 'socail group' they belong to. Some of the populars were not that bad. Alot of the unpopulars wherent that great either. But its a game that I never wanted to play to begin with and sometimes was simply forced to. By highschool things died down...kids were alittle more mature but not much....The system had not improved that much. They took alittle more action into looking into bulling but at the most it was just a talking to by a counselor and that of course did nothing but make the bully like you even less.

So what can a kid do for himself to avoid being beat up and picked on? The same thing you would do in prison make an example out of a bully. Some times its better to be feared then to be seen as an easy target. (It was the only way I could get any peace) When all else fails force is the only thing that ever works...and its sad that humans are like this. Despite how civilized we strive to be it only seems to make us more like animals. Same is true with wars and such its all over our history as a species. We hate because people are not the same or do not think the way we do. So what can we do about it? Try to be nice to people who are nice back. And fight the ones who treat others badly. Its simply about survivial of the fittest. You can either be the road beneth a bullies boot...or you can make him the road. Your choice.......Its sad but thats just simply how it is.

Hippink 36F  
4498 posts
4/25/2006 9:49 pm

Bullying has been a hot topic here in Canada. There's actually a "Bully Patrol" van that parks on my street. Edmonton (Where Sultry & I are both from) is really cracking down on bullying. It exists here, has been a huge problem. The only difference is we don't have anywhere near as many bullying incidents that end up with shootings.

Have you seen "Bowling for Columbine" by Micheal Moore, yet? He had some very interesting theories for why there is such a problem with bullying and guns & shootings. Also, since I know you're a movie buff, watch the newly released "Crash." (not the Cronenberg movie of the same name from the '90's).

Too many people are numb to the world, forgetting that everyone else feels, just the same as them.
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Hippink 36F  
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4/25/2006 9:54 pm

Oh, and I forgot to add...
What can a kid do for himself if he's being bullied? It takes a good parent, to start with. Like Sultry said, a good parent will notice that there's something wrong, just a matter of getting that kid to spill his guts, which I can imagine would be very hard to do.
The child should have the knowlegde of how to defend himslf, absolutely. But adults have to be brought into the matter as quickly as possible, because violence can beget more violence. SCREAM to MAKE them LISTEN.

I'm sorry for what you had to go through. Many kids have much worse happen to them and are not able to fight back.
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rm_yukonpaul 52M
1120 posts
4/26/2006 12:34 am

I was almost pushed too far as a freshman in high school. I would have been one of the early school shooters. My dad had a rifle, but I couldn't find the ammunition. I will never know if I would have gone through with it. I'm glad that I never did.

People say that they can't understand what drives a kid to shoot other kids and teachers. Unfortunately, I completely understand.


nightstalker172 37M
1258 posts
4/26/2006 7:19 am

Hippie - A bully patrol...WOW...never even heard of that...but around here the school districts dont have funding for that...my highschool had a couple security guards that would patrol around campus. They where not armed or anything...But around here even if a parent does get involved it doesnt really mean that anything will be done. My nephew had a friend in gradeschool who got STABBED in the middle of class by another kid. Because he decked the kid for it he was suspended and the other kid got off with a warning...This kid plagued my nephew's friend finaly his parents did get involed to try to have the child removed from class or kicked out of school altogether...3 more offences occured before the school finaly exspelled this kid...and apparently he had been kicked out of 3 other schools prior to this...Now in sultrys case I think its great that it worked out for her and her child...but over here...its completely different there so much BS about tolerance and such and yet How many times does it take to get a kid WHO STABBED another kid with scissors on more than one instence kicked out of school?...what if it had been to late and this pysco kid actaully stabbed and KILLED another kid...Do you know what the pyscos parents claimed and why he wasnt kicked out?...because he was mexican...and at the time there was the whole big deal around here about racisim. Because of that this kid was ALLOWED to be given more oppertunities to HURT someone...Apparently the only reason he did actaully get kicked out...was because he attacked a girl...A FUCKING GIRL!...how fucked up is that!

Anyway....I might check out Crash...I kinda thought it was one of those smut type movies like Basic Instinct which is why I never saw it...but people keep saying its a really good movie so I might check it out...

Yukon - Well its good that you didnt it wouldnt have been worth it...Me personaly I prefer to beat them with my bare hands...Guns just seemed to take the fun out of it...Its over too quickly ...plus they live afterwards...I would rather beat them up and let them live with the SHAME of it..the dishonor of defeat...thats far more devistating than death IMO...but thats just me


flagg134 37M
1582 posts
4/26/2006 3:32 pm

I'm gonna start a little off topic so please excuse this.

Well I don't blame Bush persay though your thoughts that people make the laws is incorrect. If we did things would probably become very chaotic here as public opinion tends to change with the time of day. What people can do however is complain to their representatives and the senate so they can voice their concern. If enough people start taking action they will be forced to listen as ultimately the people will decide if they get to stay in power.

I think right now 15 mayors including Bloomberg from NY went to DC to lobby for stricter gun control laws. Here in NY the laws are pretty strict already with gun control. What happens though is people import guns from other states where things are more lax I believe mostly from Florida. It would be fruitless to commit a crime with a gun bought in NY unless it was stolen as every one has specific markings and they track who every gun has been sold to thus also cutting down on the illegal sale of arms lest it be traced back to them. Just to show a figure 92% of gun crimes committed in the city use out of state weapons. This has to change obviously we are doing something right and the other states are failing miserably.

Ok as for the system being fucked up here in america it definitely is. Unfortunately no beureaucracy is gonna have its faults I know it all to well. Like I said I was singled out as a child and turned it around on them got laughs. Then threatened after school of course I stood my ground. However, because I was seen as a withdrawn child it was me who had the problems. I got put into Anger management as well and I'm a fricking pacifist.

Though over here in NY there is less tolerance for things like stabbing. If anyone tried that here they would be looking for a new school. Yes schools here are very violent there are gangs and people caught carrying guns and knives into school all the time. Even for carrying a weapon they can be expelled.

What really needs to happen it that more attention be paid to the children. Generally bullies come from abusive or broken homes they lash out at others for their problems at home. Obviously it would be to invasive to monitor every childs development. In a case where a person has a history of laying either verbal or physical abuse upon his peers the state should step in and track the progress of the individual and take the victim out of the situation. Hopefully something will eventually be done but, given the way society is eroding with apathy things are unlikely to change. People have to speak up if they want something to change we saw it with womens rights and segregation. Now today immigrants are standing up for what they believe in that is how this country works. To be heard people must raise their voice. I hate to say it but being obnoxius about it is the only way things will change. JMHO

RF


NickRules999 40M
9464 posts
4/26/2006 5:39 pm

I have been the target of many. When I went to elementary and junior high, I was targeted by students and teachers alike. Having ADD in Utah back in the day was not a good thing. In fact, teachers in Utah these days look down on kids who struggle. So, I got no help at all. And, you're right about the situation as a whole. One kids bullies another. He tells a teacher. The teacher can't do a thing coz they didn't see it. I can remember where the torment got so bad that I would grab a baseball bat and go after those kids with it. Was that wise? No. But when someone's pushed to the edge, logic turns to shit.

Fortunately, I'm older and wiser, and so are the assholes who picked on me.

If I ever have kids, I think I'd raise them outside of Utah, simply coz of the school system in Utah. From what I hear, the system hasn't improved much. And, if I do have my kids go to a Utah school, and they come back with bruises, I think I'd go after the school. Coz we trust them with our children, and if something catastrophic happens, they're at fault. They failed. They certainly failed me. I remember when I was in third grade, I had to get stitches coz I slipped on some ice at school and fell face forward. I later heard that I was pushed. Course, the teacher on ground duty was conveniently looking the other way.

So, yes, my memories of school were terrible. Fuck, my principal was talking to my grandma, and she saw me getting jumped in the halls. The principal said these words: "Nick's our little bowling ball." By those words, what was my grandma to assume? That he was encouraging such behaviour? I even got bullied by teachers. I was even pulled out of a row coz I was labeled a problem student. I was taken out of that school shortly after.

What did I get for my trouble? I was sent to what I call the last chance school. Fuck up there, and it's straight to juvi. My great reward for trying to cope with growing up. Further proof that the rules were just words on a wall.

Luckily, I survived.

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Hippink 36F  
4498 posts
4/26/2006 7:38 pm

Geeeeeeezuz. It is a truely scary world for kids there. In the wrong school here, it can be, too, but most are pretty good.

I've never heard of anything more serious than a bit of pushing and shoving, the odd full-scale fight, but as far as I know, no one was ever injured enough for hospital treatment. Gosh, I never even heard of anyone being beat up. I saw the odd fight between big guys, but that's it. I got pushed around by one boy once, but he never did it again. I dunno... I guess we're just more laid-back here. More space, less guns, less fear being promoted. (Ever watched CNN? It's hilarious to watch the fear propaganda).
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nightstalker172 37M
1258 posts
4/26/2006 8:48 pm

Flagg - ok perhaps I mis worded. The people give ideas for laws to be voted on...but untimately its the peoples responsibility to actaully vote..and no one does really...Why? Because of lack of faith in our system. No one in this country believes in our government anymore...and the ones that do only do so because of the fear propaganda..Personaly I think the voting is more propaganda to give us the people the illusion that we have freedome to choose when in fact we dont because the RICH are going to do what they want anyway...but we remain blind to that fact and thus we are kept in line .so in way the people actaully DO make the laws...indirectly but they still have some say (supposedly at least its on paper anyway so it must be true). The problem is people dont pay attention OR the laws made are amended and turned into something else that fits the governments aims not the peoples. It just makes me sick when the system works to benenfit peices of shit who dont deserve it and leave decent people out in the cold so to speak....but what can you do right...


flagg134 37M
1582 posts
4/27/2006 4:23 pm

Night I agree with you here the peoples votes don't matter if they don't put a voice behind them. If people stood up for what they wanted they would get the attention from their leaders. Like it or not the politicians and rich people need the bottom dwellers. Something can be done about it though it is very unlikely given the general state of apathy this country is in. While we continue down this road we will continue paying the riches taxes and paying the upkeep for the system leeches I see it all the time here in new york it disgusts me. People walking around in fur coats and eating with food stamps there is no justice.

You are right though there is little I can do about it I am no leader nor am I going to start the revolution so I speak my mind about it instead maybe someone else will pick up the slack.


nightstalker172 37M
1258 posts
4/27/2006 11:17 pm

Nick - I had a teacher in highschool like that...she labeled me a trouble maker....I FUCKING HATED HER...She was an english teacher...and do you know what class I had her for?...A TECH CLASS....the students had a choice..they could either do web page developement with her OR do network maintainence with the other teacher...I opted for network maintainence because HTML was something I already knew...UNFORTUNATELY what I did not know was that SHE had control of our grades...In order to pass the class we had to have 90 hours logged into the log book (it was treated as a job it was almost like an internship) I was failed because I missed 2 weeks of school HOWEVER...I made up all the time after school to get up to 98 hours...the bitch still failed me...AND HAD THE FUCKING NERVE TO ASK ME TO FIX HER LAPTOP...yea i fixed it alright....format C: bitch!....Of course I said that was the only way to fix it even though it wasnt but she didnt know any better See I can be a nice guy....but dont cross me...Im an evil sadistic bastard if you do


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