Jeeze, I Wonder If My Former Title Is The Reason That This Blog Has Been Denied After a Few Days  

keithcancook 61M
11107 posts
4/14/2005 7:23 pm
Jeeze, I Wonder If My Former Title Is The Reason That This Blog Has Been Denied After a Few Days


Due to international events over the past three years America’s relationship with allies in Europe has become strained politically. The media in America has made much of the rift and I have witnessed a bit of “European bashing” also.

The French have received particular attention here and I have seen such ridiculous ideas as changing the word “French fries” to “freedom fries”. In light of this propaganda I wondered how Europeans (or anyone outside of the States for that matter) viewed Americans. Not the politics, the people.

I was in Paris on the eve of the invasion of Iraq and I anticipated a cold welcome or the cold shoulder or something.

Yet I was treated honorably the entire visit and was warmly welcomed and shown many kindnesses. In that light I did not find a shred of
anti-Americanism in evidence.

I wonder, now that the war in Iraq is into its second year, would I find a different reception were I to visit again? Are Americans becoming pariahs in the nations of the world?

mi_mwpm 52M

4/14/2005 8:35 pm

I think most people are smart enough to separate our government from our people. Just because you live in a country doesn't mean that you support everything it does.


man4nooners1 47M
155 posts
4/14/2005 10:04 pm

I think, in some respect Europeans are more savvy in discussing and reacting to things political. Perhaps the number of wars fought there through the centuries and many political changes has instilled a different culture. There has been anti-americanism with regards to every military operation the US has been involved in for the past 50 years. When communism was the target, the backlash was certainly less. Many people both in the US and abroad don't believe that the war in Iraq doesn't significantly advance the war on terrorism. In muslim countries, the US is viewed as evil. In most others, it is simply a matter of disagreement. Tactful people don't hold accountable tourists from other nations which might share a contrary political agenda.


scubasnack2005 59M/59F

4/15/2005 11:20 am

Paris in December 2004:
Treated to MANY kindnesses by strangers, especially seeing a grown man TRY to speak their language.

Or course, the European press mercilessly lampooned George W, and quite cleverly. But no one made any fun of the committment of our troops, or the civilians who are caught up in this stuff. Everyone was respectful and polite world citizens, especially all the middle easterners I met as well.


papyrina 52F
21133 posts
4/15/2005 1:08 pm

In Greece as a Nation America is ridiculed,not you as individuals but your foreign policy,Americans are seen as innocent people,excuses seem to made for you,whether its blaming your Goverment controlled media in telling you what or what not is going on in the world,to our media"s delight in showing the bad bits of America,alos Europe seems to believe the War in Irak was only started for the oli to keep your gas prices down and keep moe profits going to the supporters of Bush and Co,plus movies don't help as they seem to rewrite History i Americas favour,which really does naff us off lol,yes you helped us win World War two but surelt that doesn't mean we have to help you every time you want to fight another war on a country that has done nothing to us as a country.Who knows when it will all sort its self out as we the people won't get any choice in the ways of the world.
Sorry about all the babble,i my self have no problem with any one in this world,no matter what colour,race or creed,where all born and die one way or another.


I'm a

and
i'm here to stay


expatbrit49 64M

4/15/2005 1:18 pm

Keith, as a Canadian we hold views similar to those of the Europeans in as much as we did not think that the invasion of Iraq was justified, if you watch any Canadian or European TV or read their papers (online) the intel was weak and the whole thing seemed just a little to convenient. Having said that I don’t think people blame the American people (even though you voted for him a second time LO

The people of a country cannot be held personally responsible for the actions of their governments. Americans have done a lot of good in the world too and I think most Europeans still owe the Americans for the assistance in WW2.

So don’t sweat it man I think were ever you go most people judge you for who you are not what your government does.

Thank You for Your Time and Attention


_CoffeeNoCream_ 54F

4/16/2005 12:37 am

There are good and bad people everywhere....

expatbrit49 we dont "owe" the americans anything


nightstogether 58M

4/17/2005 12:09 am

Over here in Germany George W. is lampooned, as are certain members of his government, as are those people who proclaim freedom fries and want a ban on all things French. At the same time we lampoon our own government figures and those of other European countries but, when some thing is correct and for the good of the country, community or more, we show respect where it is due.

As to individual Americans, they are treated as individuals, separate from their government and according to how they react to us. If someone were to come here and start attacking us for our political course, foreign policies and so on, as a visitor, they would get it straight back again, and probably far more than they imagined or expected.

We see things in a different light here in Germany also because of the past of the country (bearing in mind that I am not German!) and the calls from other countries, with greater problems, to sort ourselves out especially when it comes to neo-nazi movements and such like (95% of all neo-nazi web sites are hosted in the USA).

It is easy to attack someone for something that they have no control over, perhaps not quite to easy to listen to their point of view; but we do try.

On a lighter note; there are only two places on our planet where it is a requirement to give your fingerprints and be photographed before you can get in. One of them is just before you start your time in jail, and the other? Immigration control at a US airport!

Have a good weekend!

nightstogether
private-intellectual (.de)


wyvernrose 39F  
3962 posts
4/17/2005 2:00 am

Keith I am an Australian, I don't judge the people on the politics, but if you try to tell me that the way in which the US has gone about its occupation is right, I will give you an earful mind you I am not totally against what has happened over there, just the way in which some have gone about it. and that includes Howard, although, my brothers all 3 have served in Iraq and the work they have done while there was worthwhile.

WyvernRose


lustmirror 64M
2897 posts
4/20/2005 10:13 am

I remember on the Jimmy Kimmel show, he held up a coffee mug that was being sold by the guy in Texas who wanted to cross out "french" fries, and install "freedom" fries.
course, when the cup was tipped over, there on the bottom was...
"Made in China"

other things French...
the Statue of Liberty....should we send it back?
Ben Franklin spent a lot of time and study in France before putting pen to paper for this new country...
....okay...we can give up French cuffs...will that help?


keithcancook 61M
18138 posts
4/20/2005 8:56 pm

I could never give up the bread. Yummmm. And they don't mess around with their butter either. Damn they have the creamiest, best tasting butter I have ever encountered.


keithcancook 61M
18138 posts
4/12/2006 10:39 pm

Well, a year later and I do believe that things are changing.

The government has made such terrible policy that our citizens are despised worldwide, and folk try to kill us if we leave our shores...


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