In Memory of Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas Tucker  

header1979 38M
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6/24/2006 10:53 am

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In Memory of Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas Tucker


This weekend the bodies of as Pfc. Kristian Menchaca of Texas and Pfc. Thomas Tucker of Oregon will be returned to their families. My heart goes out to the grieving families and friends of these men. There are not sufficient words to convey the sorrow that we have for these men and their families and friends. My heart also goes out to the men and women of their unit and all the men and women serving in the military. Little is reported about how soldiers feel when one of their comrades and buddies is killed, particularly as gruesome as these deaths were. Soldiers are expected “soldier on.” But they do have feelings. The military bond is one of the strongest feelings that most men will ever experience. You are willing to die to save your buddy. “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” As a former soldier, I feel their loss.

According to email and blogs from soldiers and Marines in Iraq, the lesson learned from this was never to surrender. The terrorists will kill you anyway. Go down fighting and take down as many as you can before you are killed.

No soldier or any human being should die the way these two men died. Their bodies were so badly mauled that they could not be visually identified and the cause of death could not be determined. They had to be sent to the Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for DNA tests for positive identification.

Major General Abdul Aziz, an Iraqi military spokesman, said he had seen an official report on the bodies. He said, "With great regret, they were killed in a barbaric way. There were traces of torture on their bodies, very clear traces. It was brutal torture. The torture was something unnatural.” (As an aside, that statement left me wondering what “natural” torture must be.)

In an interview with local residents who witnessed the deaths of Menchaca and Tucker, a New York Times article reported that the witnesses described a gruesome scene in which terrorists beheaded and dismembered body parts of the soldiers after dragging them behind pickup trucks. It is not clear from the article if they were alive when being dragged or if they were beheaded and body parts dismembered while they were alive. For those who may not know it, as part of my job, I work closely with the national media in Washington, DC. Some in the media have had access to information concerning the conditions of the bodies. I have been told in detail what happened to these men. It will make you sick to your stomach. I don’t know if these details will ever be officially released. I will not report them here since I cannot document them myself and out of deference to the families of the soldiers. If the things that I have been told were done to them were done while they were alive, their torture was horrific protracted and agonizing. We can only hope that they lost consciousness quickly and died soon.

Where is the outrage over this atrocity? Where are the editorials and Opeds condemning this atrocity? Where are the organizations that report on “torture”? Where are the politicians who rush to a microphone to condemn the US? The silence is deafening. It is as though these two soldiers don’t count. That their deaths are of no significance. In a period of history in which the denial of a Coke to an al-Qaeda murderer in GITMO is considered torture by some, where are these people when they are confronted with real torture. They open not their mouths. It gives you some perspective on their motives. It is disgusting.

This weekend, remember Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas Tucker and their families.

And don't forget the brave men and women serving in the military around the world. You owe a lot to the sacrifices they are making.

SensuousWoman3 56F
3106 posts
6/24/2006 2:43 pm

OMG! Thank you for this informative and disturbing post, Header. It is so important that information such as this is disseminated–somehow, someway. It makes me shudder to imagine the torture these two soldiers endured. Indeed, where are the politicians who rush to a microphone to condemn the US? Where are the organizations that report on “torture”? I will certainly keep these soldiers and their families in my thoughts and my reflections. Jesus! Where IS the outrage?


flagg134 37M
1582 posts
6/24/2006 3:30 pm

I agree header I was part of the military and I saw some truly messed up stuff. I didn't lose any friends while I was in however after I finished my unit was sent to Iraq and there are some friends I haven't heard from. I have read this story all week from the time they dissapeared from their humvee when it was ambushed till they were found brutally murdered. With Al-Qaeda claiming to be behind it and celebrating such things. Disturbing and disgusting its truly a terrible world we live in.

RF


SolarPowered0 111M
8024 posts
6/25/2006 9:08 pm

War has always been barbaric. The fact we have technology with which to wage war from a reasonably displaced vantage point does not negate the heinous nature of war and it will inevitably stare us in the face.

If we truly want to stop terrorism, we could do so - at a price, none-the-less. We allow this to continue because we pride ourselves (falsely, in my opinion) on our ability and our desire to rise above the heinous actions of our "enemies." It is a fact that war is a brutal business and the sooner we get our priorities straight and put away the insane notion that we are somehow "above" it all and get to it - no holds barred - the sooner we shall have an end of "terrorism."

Might DOES make right! It always has and it always will. I do not wish to see anyone caught up in this ugliness called "war." But... as there are those so caught up, I have no penchant for the idea of being "civilized" for the mere sake of the appearance of being "better" than the ones we are at arms against.

It is time to kill - or be killed. Unleash the true "shock and awe" of the power contained in the will of the soldier on the side of right. Lay waste to that which is in opposition to our advance - kill "everything" that moves. The only good enemy is a dead enemy. That is the true nature of war. That is the rule of war and the only rule of war.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to win, you have to be the last one standing. If you are unwilling to kill everything in your way, you will lose... for your enemy is not of that mindset. It is costly and it is ugly, though - to win at any and all cost. When you call forth the dogs of war, make sure you intend for them to go for the throat. If you do not intend so, leave them chained to their runners. Let sleeping dogs of war lay and you won't get bit. But, is the possibility of being bit so unpleasant we would risk standing down from the threats of the "truly evil" - that we would choose to not use fire against fire?

I hate the idea that human beings cannot live peaceably together. I also hate the idea that we would wage ANY war without the foresight to understand the ugly nature of that which we undertake. To do anything less than kill everything that moves is tantamount to executing our own soldiers... and that is more so unthinkable - to me - than what heinous acts they might be forced to endure... or even to perpetrate.

Kill them all... and let Allah sort them out.

Solar... (out of the clear blue of the Western Sky)


header1979 38M
507 posts
6/26/2006 6:47 am

Hey Mzhunhole,

You must have misread the blog. The President didn't torture these men. The terrorists did. That is where the blame lies.


DIVISION77 40M
8337 posts
7/20/2006 4:38 pm

Header,

Can you get an update on this story as to the details of Menchaca and Tucker's final demise?

Were they tortured and what was the means of torture?

How were they captured or seperated from their units?

How were their last days?

These are the questions we want the answers to.

If you work closely with the media in Washington, these are the things you should be looking at.

DIV

"My every move is a calculated step, to bring me closer to embrace an early death." -Tupac Shakur


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