What Do You Think About Guns?  

five_speed 42M
3250 posts
9/2/2005 11:26 am

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What Do You Think About Guns?

Here’s a weird thought out of left field:

What do you think about people carrying personal firearms?

I ask because I carry one. My weapon of choice these days is a Glock 30. It’s a compact .45 ACP automatic pistol. I installed a few ergonomic customizations and also an internal Lasermax visible laser site. I load it with 230 grain Hydrashok hollow points.

I carry it legally ‒ I have all the proper permits and understand all the laws. I know where and when I am not allowed to carry it, and when under those circumstances, I don’t carry it. I am highly trained in both safety and proper use of the firearm. I never flash it around. I never allude to the fact that I have it, and no one ever sees it.

I have absolutely no desire to use it against another person. I do not go looking for trouble simply because I have a pistol. In fact, I am more likely to avoid trouble when I have it because I don’t want to create a situation where I might need it. I carry it because I understand that there are people in this world who are willing to take everything I love simply because they can, and considering that, I would rather have a pistol and never need it rather than need it some day and not have it.

I believe it is my responsibility to protect myself and the people with me, and I believe in being prepared. (I also carry pepper spray, because I would rather use it than the pistol. I have used the spray in self defense before, but I’ve never needed the pistol *knocks on wood*)

Most times I don’ have the Glock with me on a first date because we end up at a restaurant that sells alcohol, and while the laws vary from state to state, most prohibit concealed carry in places that sell booze, and almost all prohibit concealed carry while actually drinking booze in public. So on a first date, my gun is locked, cocked, and ready to rock, but my pistol stays at home.

I also never take a weapon into another person’s home without their permission. I lock it in a strong box in my car before I go into the home.

I’ve been with women who were indifferent to my preference to carry a concealed fire arm. Others have been fascinated or at least mildly intrigued by it (I’ve taught a number of women ‒lovers, friends, family ‒ how to safely use a pistol.) Some have been totally and irrefutably against it. For those who oppose it, I respect their values even if I don’t totally understand them. I am not a violent man, but that is not by nature. It is by choice. I do not understand or appreciate the merits of pacifism.

So what do you think? Assuming a person ‒ male or female ‒ is discrete, responsible, mature, safe, and trained with their fire arm, would you be comfortable with that person, or would it gnaw at you in the back of your head to know that person had a fire arm some where on their body?

rm_sj365 57F
2414 posts
9/2/2005 4:20 pm

Five - I work in "the hood" and many of my friends have suggested I carry a firearm. Guns also frighten me.A gun in MY hands realllllly frightens me. I don't think I have the confidence required to use one...and theres no point to having it if you arent going to use it. I carry pepper spray & take safety precautions, for me thats enough. That said, as strongly as I may feel about guns, I feel more strongly about individual rights.

onelittlesecret 34M
1579 posts
9/2/2005 4:45 pm

You may be getting yourself in trouble with this one.

I personally would never carry a gun, but my understanding is that personal firearms do have a positive impact on crime.

As far as being comfortable with them, I have to admit that that bit of knowledge would always be gnawing at me. Of course I wouldn't comfortable hanging around with you anyway, armed or not. You and t are going to have to soak in the hot tub alone.

In regards to pacifism, I have a poem brewing in my head somewhat related to it. Actually, it's kind of scary. Hopefully I'll post it in the coming week. Being one a 'dem Catholics, martyrdom (seems I've been using that word a lot lately) is a well-taught virtue for me.

five_speed 42M

9/2/2005 6:44 pm

Huny, I understand. I've had a few stuck in my face, or behind my ear. I've been shot at a few times too. I almost crap my pants every single time it happens.

I am not afraid of guns. But I am very afraid of people with guns, including myself.

In all honesty, I like to use guns to hunt and target shoot, but when it comes to inflicting violence on another person, I consider a gun the weapon of a coward or weakling, and I am neither, but I am a realist, and as such, I know that many people do not share my opinion or reservations concerning fire arms, and if it comes down to a real threat, I want to be prepared to fight fire with fire, because mace spray isn't much against a gun.

onelittlesecret 34M
1579 posts
9/2/2005 6:51 pm

>just like to have my own weapons


five_speed 42M

9/2/2005 6:52 pm

SJ365, I agree; if you are not confident with a gun, chances are it would be more of a danger than a help, but it sounds like you take sensible precautions. I also support individual rights, whether it is the right to carry guns or the right to burn the flag. I certainly DO NOT condone flag burning, but I respect an individual's right to do it if that is what they want to do... even if it does make my trigger finger twitch a little when I think about it...

five_speed 42M

9/2/2005 7:06 pm

onelittlsecret, You're right, I might have really stirred up a hornets' nest this time. We'll just have to see.

Are you pulling my leg here? Are you really going to make me sit in the hottub alone with Traveling AGAIN? Maybe we should skip the hot tub and just take a walk? I'll leave the gun at home. You can strip search me if you want, just to make sure I'm being honest!

I'll be watching for that poem, and I know exactly what you mean about the poem brewing in your head. Mine usually form slowing over time, sometimes for days before I ever put a pen to paper. Sometimes it drives me crazy, but there's no use in rushing it, because it won't come out until it's done.

One other thing, I was serious about leaving the guns at home. If I am with a woman who does not want a gun around, I will not carry it, but in compensation I carry an ASP baton across the small of my back, and I am more assertive about the places I will or won't go, as in "I'd love to go out with you tonight, dear. I am looking forward to it, but I'd rather not go through that neighborhood. Let' take the scenic route or pick another place."

That's what I say, but what I mean is "There is no way in hell I'm going through there after dark without a gun at my fingertips."

five_speed 42M

9/2/2005 7:12 pm

Sil, I am not a gun toting lunatic either, and in the interest of not sounding like a liars, maybe we should continue this conversation via email.

I'm not going to say what my army buddies used to call me

I've always wanted to learn archery, but I've never had the time or opportunity to learn from some one who knew what they were doing.

DefiniteTrouble 51F

9/2/2005 7:57 pm

I pack a Glock automatic and a .38...permit to carry, of course. And I'm a dead shot. I also keep a 30-06 under my bed.

The world is a dangerous place these days. It's sad that I feel I can't leave home without a gun anymore. Truly sad.

five_speed 42M

9/2/2005 8:24 pm


I have a Tarus 357 hammerless revolver with a crimson trace laser that I sometimes carry in my pocket instead of the the Glock inside my waistband - especially if I anticipate going shirtless for some reason, but I rarely carry both at the same time. I have once or twice, but I rarely feel the situation warrants both.

Both of my current pistols are very compact. The barrels are too short to get good shot groups past 30 - 40 feet, but that's fine. In most states you can't shoot a person and claim self defense unless your target is within 25 feet, and at that range, even my compacts are dead on.

I also agree with you about the state of the world. It sure would be nice if we could all just get along, wouldn't it?

I'm not going to talk about rifles right now. I'm still sticking to the claim that I'm not a gun toting fanatic, but no one will believe me if I start talking about rifles.

Ana_6973 44F

9/2/2005 9:41 pm

I think I would have no problem with your gun (either of them acutally). I do have to say my ex (still on friendly terms but have had our share of drama) has a gun and it makes me nervous knowing he has one. We lived together recently and I bluntly told him his gun bothered me. He asked why and I said it was because of his temper. No matter how many times he tells me he is done with the rage issues he has had over the years, him in possession of a firearm of any kind terrifies me. I guess I kind of view him as most likely to appear on the news wanted for murder.

~~"I can scream as loud as your last one, but I can't claim innocence."~~

five_speed 42M

9/2/2005 10:03 pm

Ana, I can definitely see your point. Some people shouldn't be allowed to have a squirt gun, let alone a real one! Some states have laws that state a person who has been arrested for domestic disturbance or violence (not convcited, just arrested) cannot own a hand gun. I personally think the laws should require a conviction, but still, they are about the only gun control laws that I even marginally agree with.

If I lived with some one else, We'd have to work out a compromise if the gun made her uncomfortable. If she'd be willing to learn how to use it properly and safely, I'd be willing to keep it unloaded and out of sight while it was in our home.

rm_DaphneR 59F
8023 posts
9/3/2005 2:11 am

Don't own a gun, never have.
Laugh, baseball bat is my choice of weapon, and I've actually used one before.

As far as guns go, as long as the person is skilled and licensed to carry, I don't have a problem with it. I've seen an individual stop a robbery in progress at a grocery store. Guy was robbing the cashier two lanes over and the woman behind him in the same line calmy pulled her .357 out of her purse and held it to his head until the cops arrived. Glancing around the store I saw a couple other people putting theirs away after she had the guy in her sights.

About a week ago here in Albuquerque in WalMart a customer shot a man that was behind the deli counter beating the woman that worked there. It was some exboyfriend or husband type thing and he had already beaten her pretty badly when the customer told him to stop and when he didn't he fired several shots. The guy doing the beating is dead, the woman is alright and I haven't seen anything else in the news to know what happened to the shooter.

Have tongue, will use it. Repeatedly.

five_speed 42M

9/3/2005 7:30 am

Daphne, I keep a baseball bat handy at the house too, but the lat time I used it was nearly ten years ago, and it wasn't on a person.

It's hard to tell what happened to that fellow who shot the assailant in walmart. If it were up to me, he'd get a medal, but if New Mexico's lethal force laws are anything like West Virginia's that guy is probably going to jail since he used his fire arm to kill some one when neither he nor an immediate family member's life was in immeninent danger. It sounds crazy, but in most places, prettymuch the only way to have an iron-clad self defense case is if the bad guy has already shot at you or your family before you shoot back.

My personal philosophy is this: My gun in never drawn unless I fully intend to kill some one. It is not to be used to intimidate or subdue, because I know if I draw it, it's presence may very well neccessitate its use. So it stays out of my hand unless there is absolutely no other way to defend myself or to escape the danger. I'd gladly turn tail and run before I'd shoot some one if I thought I, and everyone with me, had a good chance of avoiding the violence.

I say that because, if I do shoot some one, I don't shoot to stop them. I shoot to kill them, because as harsh as it is sounds, the legal problems that follow will be much simpler if the bad guy is not alive to press charges, sue me, or tell his side of the story.

That is why I am very careful, aware, and resourceful. I have never needed to draw my gun, and I pray I never do, because I know that means some one is probably going to die, but I carry my pistol anyway, because if it comes down to it, I'd rather go to jail for protecting my family rather than die because I wasn't willing to do all that I could to protect them.

onelittlesecret 34M
1579 posts
9/3/2005 9:36 am

DefiniteTrouble "And I'm a dead shot" - I bet you are...

DaphneR "Glancing around the store I saw a couple other people putting theirs away" - lmao

5speed "I keep a baseball bat handy at the house too, but the last time I used it was nearly ten years ago, and it wasn't on a person." - Freudian slip...?

five_speed 42M

9/3/2005 10:54 am


I was using the bat on a Ford Ranger. The driver was intent on running over me, and I was trying to change his mind.

Remember how I said I'd rather have a gun and not need it instead of need it and not have it? Well, that was one time I needed it and didn't have it.

onelittlesecret 34M
1579 posts
9/3/2005 11:41 am

Ever see the movie Identity?


Gary Busey's son has an unfortunate run in with a baseball bat.


7 posts
9/3/2005 12:25 pm

I consider a gun the weapon of a coward or weakling

You'll stir up more with that statement that your original intent. What would old Sam Colt say ?

I bet the farm on a Colt 1911A1 pattern .45 and the Speer 200 grain "flying ashtray" in summer and the Hornaday 230 grain flat point in winter. The best quality magazines you can find (regardless of cost) are important also. Beyond that, compete in some shooting sport, not to win, but to learn what works and to build a history of practice (should your defense team need it later).

Being "papered up" in New York and carring almost daily while working requires discretion. Decretion is the key.

An armed society is a polite society.

five_speed 42M

9/3/2005 12:52 pm

onelittlesecret, never saw it. I might have to check it out.

five_speed 42M

9/3/2005 1:07 pm

Chevaholic, yeah I figured that statement would get a rise out of some one. That's half the reason I put it in there.

Before I get SHOT for saying that, please let me clarify. I meant it in regards to criminals, mostly. When a criminal uses a gun to rob, , kidnap, or otherwise harm a person or property, I see it as a cowardly act. I'm sure they see it as a simple matter of maximizing their chances of success, but I see it as a coward using a weapon in a cowardly way to perform a cowardly act, and this makes a gun a cowardly weapon.

I also think a person who resorts to a gun as the first solution instead of the last solution is acting in a cowardly way. Having said that, I also understand that sometimes there is no other solution, and sometimes there is not time to think of anything else.

I treat my guns with the same care and respect the samurai gave to their swords. I shoot them as often as time and finances allow, usually a couple times a month at a minimum, and I change the springs in my mags every year whether I think they need it or not.

I have no idea what it means to be "papered up."

onelittlesecret 34M
1579 posts
9/3/2005 3:55 pm

It was a pretty decent movie. If you're into dark suspenses.

Just saw The Magnifecent Amberson's (Orson Welles version), that was an excellent movie for any of you romantics.

What does this have to do with guns...?

Did I mention I have a bb gun? Shoots darts too.

five_speed 42M

9/3/2005 4:40 pm


BB guns guns are fun, especially if they shoot darts. I'm not sure how you/me/we got onto movies. But it's OK.

rm_texasgal1978 46F
225 posts
9/3/2005 6:29 pm

Guns terrify me, I have never held one and never want to. I have dated several cops and had problems with them carrying them off duty( why do you need a gun on you to go to a movie?) Maybe it was the fact that they saw their gun as a status symbol,an option to control others? I would never want to have to make a decision of whether or not to pull the trigger. I have seen to many people who carry guns too eager at that thought.

five_speed 42M

9/3/2005 11:26 pm


I'm probably stirring up more crap by saying this, but as a general rule, I don't like cops. I know most of them are just trying to make a living and make a positive difference in the world, but my personal reality has been such that I've known at least two crooked or ignorant cops to every one honest or educated cop. Considering those odds, I distrust individual officers until they earn my confidence. Too many of them see the badge and gun as status symbols, a right to impose their wills on others simply because they can.

I see a fire arm as a tool for self defence, a personal nuclear weapon to be used as the very last resort.

Personally, I believe in "right makes might" versus "might makes right." If anyone has no idea of what I am talking about, try reading the Le Morte D'Author, by Sir Thomas Mallory. I think it should be required reading for anyone who wields deadly force.

five_speed 42M

9/6/2005 12:57 pm

T, I respect your point of view. Thank you for for dropping in to say what you think. I'm sure that is the most civil way any one has ever told me that they think I'm wrong.

five_speed 42M

9/6/2005 5:33 pm

I understand what you mean, and in that way, we agree. I'd much rather avoid trouble than shoot it if I can. So far I have been very successfull, but I still like to be prepared.

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