The Ideal Reader...  

clevergirl4U 59F
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kyplowboy22 63M

4/17/2006 9:10 am

Interesting questions. I believe that when I write, some aspects of each is true and false at the same time. I don't believe that any writer writes everything they do in the same way. Too many variables to contend with.

When you write, do you have an Ideal reader in mind?

Probably not to the extent that I am writing this to 'Sally' or 'Bill', but rather to the 'Sally's and Bill's' of the world. Not so much as an individual as a demographic group. That notwithstanding, I still try to write in such a way that others, not of that group, can come away with an understanding of the subject matter. I write a lot of stuff on rural topics; farming, nature, etc.. But in doing so, I try to use images that both rural and urban people can understand, either through sharing notions that are familiar with one group or the other or explaining them in such a way that all can come away with some sense of my intention.

Do you have an audience that you know and write for?

Most of the time, yes, in a very broad sense of the idea. But the wonderful thing about writing is that it allows you to grow your audience from many diverse groups of a population of readers. I write from my perspective on things, my take on them. But I try to do it in such a way that even those not in the target audience can understand my point of view. The fine line for me comes in explaining things to those not in the target group without offending the intelligence of the target group; those who share ideals, experiences and feelings common to me. Sometimes, on the otherhand, the target audience is humanity at large. Which styles and techniques are used is largely dependant upon the topic of the piece and the intent of it.

Do you adjust your comments, based on your perception of the recipient?

Only to the degree that I think my ideas have been expressed in a way that that individual will understand and is not offensive or hostile.

Or, do you write for yourself, and let the words fall where they may?

I write from my own point of view, the truth as I perceive it, but try to do it with decorum and manners and respect for the others opinions. I will not, however, tell someone what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear. If you are going to do that, why say anything at all.

I am looking forward to the opinions of others on this, I'm sure a debate is to follow. lol


liquid_light 45M

4/17/2006 9:38 am

I always have an intended audience, but that's not always a single person. It can be a class of people like "people interested in organic gardening" or "people reading my AdultFriendFinder blog," more specific like "organic farmers in the midwest" or "local married women reading my AdultFriendFinder blog" Most of my writing doesn't happen in blogs or email, so the audience is very carefully considered through many drafts.

For blogging, I definitely try to avoid making a post that has an intended single person as its audience. I find that my best writing happens when I'm writing "to humanity," i.e. the themes are so general that anyone could relate.

By the way, I love your new picture. The color and slightly soft focus reminded me of the perfect morning-after mood: lazy and content.


rm_1hotwahine 64F
21091 posts
4/17/2006 9:53 am

When I write, I actually do gear it to specific individuals. But this is not general or overall, but instead, in the moment. Perhaps a specific phrase or concept. This is particularly true on the blogs, when I have a good idea of who will be reading it. It's easier for me to focus that way, as opposed to just sending the words into the void.

But I also agree with what we spole about earlier - my writing is much freer (is there such a word) when there is not a blog crush clutching at the words.

Yeah, I'm still [blog 1hotwahine]


alex_200mm 58M
4960 posts
4/17/2006 10:00 am

Dear Clevergirl4U,

I try and write something that I would like to read myself.

I like British understated humour, so I try to be provocative, witty, sardonic and dry, without being snarky.

Or, when I write erotica, I try to create an atmosphere so blatantly sexual and involving that I consider I've failed if, while reading, you don't slide your fingers down over a slowly-growing damp spot on your panties... if you are wearing panties, that is...

I also want to be read, so I try and pick article titles that will entice the reader into thinking that I have something profound and deep to say... and then, by the time they discover I don't, I've snared them anyway! [cue evil laughter here]

And I do edit myself. There are some things that I would not say here, for fear of inadvertently offending someone who I might like to get to know better. F'r example, I know some great religious jokes that I won't repeat because I don't want to turn off someone of that faith... but that's about the only taboo I have... other than my propensity for [censored] and desire to [censored]... and, of course, bragging about my enormous sexual appetite and prowess...

So please read my blog, maybe you'll like it... and I hope to see you at the Blogger's Con here in Montreal in May.

Regards,

Alex xo


norprin5 56M

4/17/2006 10:02 am

i write for me... i learned long ago that not everyone wants to read my words, but that's ok, it's not about that, it's about getting the words out in the first place

btw, i loooove the new pic

King Nor XVIII


twirly_girl 48F

4/17/2006 10:23 am

On here I really write with one person in mind. It is written mostly for him. But away from this site, I write for me & everyone else.
Most of the shorts I write here I don't go back and edit, so the writing is... ehhh... not too good but the message is getting across loud and clear. Or at least provides him with a nice visual. LOL

-Nikki


expatbrit49 64M

4/17/2006 11:05 am

Most of the time I write whatever pops into my head so no real readers in mind, at other times I write something with a specific person in mind and in those cases the words are chosen with more thought. The only consistent thing is poor spelling

Now I got to comment on your new profile picture... as nice as your eyes were or are I like this one much better (now there's a surprise she says lol )

Thank You for Your Time and Attention


clevergirl4U 59F

4/17/2006 2:22 pm

    Quoting rm_1hotwahine:
    When I write, I actually do gear it to specific individuals. But this is not general or overall, but instead, in the moment. Perhaps a specific phrase or concept. This is particularly true on the blogs, when I have a good idea of who will be reading it. It's easier for me to focus that way, as opposed to just sending the words into the void.

    But I also agree with what we spole about earlier - my writing is much freer (is there such a word) when there is not a blog crush clutching at the words.
"...a blog crush clutching at the at the words"...very nice turn of the phrase there, Wahine, but I can't IMAGINE to what you refer!

I was VERY surprised when I read about this idea of the Ideal Reader in King's book. (His ideal reader, btw, is his wife Tabitha.) My most honest and best fiction prose is written when I have absolutely NO audience in mind. When I write FOR someone, I feel that I am looking for that reader's tacit approval, and adjust myself accordingly.


rm_1hotwahine 64F
21091 posts
4/17/2006 5:32 pm

"When I write FOR someone, I feel that I am looking for that reader's tacit approval, and adjust myself accordingly."

I think I do it the other way around. I aim it towards someone who 'fits' where I'm going with it. I don't think it's about approval (other than that crush stuff lol) as much as a presumed audience.

Yeah, I'm still [blog 1hotwahine]


rm_4wolfsr 59M

4/17/2006 5:45 pm

Just goes to show you how different writers' achieve their inspiration. Nicholas Sparks writes most of his novels using situations and events in his life as inspiration. Which is why, when it comes to reading, I read a wide variety of authors.

As far as a specific audience goes, I can't say that there is really anything in mind when it comes to that. However, I would have to say when posting on a blog that someone else has written, it is usually with that person in mind or someone that follows his/her blog and comments as well. More like an open conversation. As far as my own blog is concerned, the writing there, quite honestly I am just getting warmed up. So right now It is more randomness than directed at any one or anything. Off line, my writing has been very direct and geared toward specific purposes. So hopefully, over time writing here and there on the blogs will help scrape the dust off of the creative side.


clevergirl4U 59F

4/17/2006 5:47 pm

    Quoting expatbrit49:
    Most of the time I write whatever pops into my head so no real readers in mind, at other times I write something with a specific person in mind and in those cases the words are chosen with more thought. The only consistent thing is poor spelling

    Now I got to comment on your new profile picture... as nice as your eyes were or are I like this one much better (now there's a surprise she says lol )
I think that's why so many people read your blog... you have no pretentions, you make no judgements, and you make no apologies. You don't seem to have a mean bone in your body...mostly you make me smile, sometimes you make me laugh, and frequently you make me blush People feel safe to join in the fun with you, and god knows, we ALL need more fun in our lives

But we really DO need to DO something about your spelling, sweetie! I have a Masters in English. Would you like me to tutor you?


clevergirl4U 59F

4/17/2006 6:00 pm

    Quoting kyplowboy22:
    Interesting questions. I believe that when I write, some aspects of each is true and false at the same time. I don't believe that any writer writes everything they do in the same way. Too many variables to contend with.

    When you write, do you have an Ideal reader in mind?

    Probably not to the extent that I am writing this to 'Sally' or 'Bill', but rather to the 'Sally's and Bill's' of the world. Not so much as an individual as a demographic group. That notwithstanding, I still try to write in such a way that others, not of that group, can come away with an understanding of the subject matter. I write a lot of stuff on rural topics; farming, nature, etc.. But in doing so, I try to use images that both rural and urban people can understand, either through sharing notions that are familiar with one group or the other or explaining them in such a way that all can come away with some sense of my intention.

    Do you have an audience that you know and write for?

    Most of the time, yes, in a very broad sense of the idea. But the wonderful thing about writing is that it allows you to grow your audience from many diverse groups of a population of readers. I write from my perspective on things, my take on them. But I try to do it in such a way that even those not in the target audience can understand my point of view. The fine line for me comes in explaining things to those not in the target group without offending the intelligence of the target group; those who share ideals, experiences and feelings common to me. Sometimes, on the otherhand, the target audience is humanity at large. Which styles and techniques are used is largely dependant upon the topic of the piece and the intent of it.

    Do you adjust your comments, based on your perception of the recipient?

    Only to the degree that I think my ideas have been expressed in a way that that individual will understand and is not offensive or hostile.

    Or, do you write for yourself, and let the words fall where they may?

    I write from my own point of view, the truth as I perceive it, but try to do it with decorum and manners and respect for the others opinions. I will not, however, tell someone what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear. If you are going to do that, why say anything at all.

    I am looking forward to the opinions of others on this, I'm sure a debate is to follow. lol
As always, a VERY thought-filled response, kpb. I THOUGHT you might like this topic.

You may have gathered by now that I don't have a target audience, so we differ in that way. I find your work very relaxing to read and I think you do what you do very well. (I VOTED for you, didn't I?)

Maybe my integrity is easily challenged? Maybe I don't have your strength of character. If I target my writing towards ANYONE, truth suffers. I guess I want the reader to come to ME and find me where I AM. And maybe YOU go to the READER with your offering?

ah well, fodder for another morning conversation


clevergirl4U 59F

4/17/2006 6:07 pm

    Quoting rm_valleyrat4:
    I know I certainly couldn't be considered a writer but having said that no, I don't write for one person. I do however here at a.f.f. do open up quite a bit and will say almost anything. I do restrain myself from writing anything that I think will upset people. I just try not to do that. I have an ideal of what type of person I'm looking for but I do not post that nor will I ever. Too much to lose nothing to gain by it.
So you write for a liberal and open-minded audience, but follow the rules of civility? I am 99% kind, but my head has been known to spin, exorcist-style, on a couple of occasions!

Maybe we can talk sometime about the last part of your comment on "too much to lose"...I didn't understand ?


clevergirl4U 59F

4/17/2006 6:17 pm

    Quoting liquid_light:
    I always have an intended audience, but that's not always a single person. It can be a class of people like "people interested in organic gardening" or "people reading my AdultFriendFinder blog," more specific like "organic farmers in the midwest" or "local married women reading my AdultFriendFinder blog" Most of my writing doesn't happen in blogs or email, so the audience is very carefully considered through many drafts.

    For blogging, I definitely try to avoid making a post that has an intended single person as its audience. I find that my best writing happens when I'm writing "to humanity," i.e. the themes are so general that anyone could relate.

    By the way, I love your new picture. The color and slightly soft focus reminded me of the perfect morning-after mood: lazy and content.
Agreed...when writing non-fiction one HAS to have a target audience. Glad you brought that up.

I hear that alot; that when one writes well, it should be universally understood. I understand the concept...that at our most essential core, we are all alike and probably connected.

But not everyone in my life understands me, or can relate to me. Sometimes lack formal education is a barrier to understanding the written word. I would have to become something I am NOT, in order to reach a universal audience. Words are tricky Now a PAINTING may have universal appeal Thanks for your input into the discussion!


clevergirl4U 59F

4/17/2006 6:21 pm

    Quoting norprin5:
    i write for me... i learned long ago that not everyone wants to read my words, but that's ok, it's not about that, it's about getting the words out in the first place

    btw, i loooove the new pic
I think that you and I agree on that


clevergirl4U 59F

4/17/2006 6:32 pm

    Quoting alex_200mm:
    Dear Clevergirl4U,

    I try and write something that I would like to read myself.

    I like British understated humour, so I try to be provocative, witty, sardonic and dry, without being snarky.

    Or, when I write erotica, I try to create an atmosphere so blatantly sexual and involving that I consider I've failed if, while reading, you don't slide your fingers down over a slowly-growing damp spot on your panties... if you are wearing panties, that is...

    I also want to be read, so I try and pick article titles that will entice the reader into thinking that I have something profound and deep to say... and then, by the time they discover I don't, I've snared them anyway! [cue evil laughter here]

    And I do edit myself. There are some things that I would not say here, for fear of inadvertently offending someone who I might like to get to know better. F'r example, I know some great religious jokes that I won't repeat because I don't want to turn off someone of that faith... but that's about the only taboo I have... other than my propensity for [censored] and desire to [censored]... and, of course, bragging about my enormous sexual appetite and prowess...

    So please read my blog, maybe you'll like it... and I hope to see you at the Blogger's Con here in Montreal in May.

    Regards,

    Alex xo
Thanks for visiting!

What a WONDERFUL place to live! I might even be willing to endure those Canadian winters for Montreal!

Unlike you, I'm not able to write what I like to read...probably because what I like to read covers such a broad spectrum....The only quality shared by all that I like to read is honesty and integrity for the writer's experience and his or her rendering of it.

But like you, I have decided that HERE, in the blogs, I will not write about religion.... and I, too, have some funny religious jokes. I KNOW that I also shouldn't write about politics, but sometimes I just can't help myself


clevergirl4U 59F

4/18/2006 8:13 am

    Quoting rm_valleyrat4:
    The next IM session we have I'll spill my guts, or what's left of them.
Uh oh...all of your blogland friends tried to WARN you...

Rather than putting your two lovers in the same room, you could have just shot yourself in the foot and acheived the same effect quicker and easier, and once you get medical treatment, it's over


Northerncomfort2 67M
120 posts
4/18/2006 9:07 am

I write only when I "HAVE to"...when I am irresistably compelled to do so. The compelling source may be an article, a question posed by someone I find stimulating, a deep-seated emotional reaction to events, or an "Ah ha" to a self-generated and beta-dwelling issue that I have been working like a cud for days, weeks, months, or years.

When it is a coherent string of word pictures from Thesis (the source), Antithesis (me), and Synthesis (my reaction to the source) I am then ready to set forth these three elements in a digestible form.

For this reason, I cannot be considered a "dedicated" writer, since I have the luxury of writing only when so compelled. I find it difficult to write when the compulsion must be generated at other than a visceral level.

The actual "process" however, involves less the visualization of an "ideal reader" than it does a blithe lack of awareness of there being any reader at all. The pressure to communicate seems to create a mental and emotional laccolith (ok, "zit") the pressure of which is relieved as the prose streams from the keyboard. It is almost a trance-like state and often I do not realize what I have written until it is complete, the synthesis described, the end tapered shut, and the emotional release achieved. I can re-visit the lines more consciously and see if I have left any driftwood or snags in the stream.

I find that the sponteneity thus achieved produces a three-dimensional quality to the narrative that helps to convey to the readers (if any there be) the import and the essence of my feeling.

The process and the writings it produces probably wouldn't pass editorial muster, but that's why I love writing here. It's completely ANONYMOUS!!!


clevergirl4U 59F

4/18/2006 10:01 am

    Quoting rm_1hotwahine:
    "When I write FOR someone, I feel that I am looking for that reader's tacit approval, and adjust myself accordingly."

    I think I do it the other way around. I aim it towards someone who 'fits' where I'm going with it. I don't think it's about approval (other than that crush stuff lol) as much as a presumed audience.
hmmm...but if you have a "presumed audience" aren't you only writing FOR the audience. As I commented to kpb, I would rather have the reader come to me where I am, than deliver a message TO the audience. Maybe I should have included "why do you write" in the post because I write so many different kinds of posts, as do you. As an aspiring novelists, I think what I am trying to get to, and not doing very wellis "when is your writing most honest and authentic?


clevergirl4U 59F

4/18/2006 11:03 am

    Quoting Northerncomfort2:
    I write only when I "HAVE to"...when I am irresistably compelled to do so. The compelling source may be an article, a question posed by someone I find stimulating, a deep-seated emotional reaction to events, or an "Ah ha" to a self-generated and beta-dwelling issue that I have been working like a cud for days, weeks, months, or years.

    When it is a coherent string of word pictures from Thesis (the source), Antithesis (me), and Synthesis (my reaction to the source) I am then ready to set forth these three elements in a digestible form.

    For this reason, I cannot be considered a "dedicated" writer, since I have the luxury of writing only when so compelled. I find it difficult to write when the compulsion must be generated at other than a visceral level.

    The actual "process" however, involves less the visualization of an "ideal reader" than it does a blithe lack of awareness of there being any reader at all. The pressure to communicate seems to create a mental and emotional laccolith (ok, "zit") the pressure of which is relieved as the prose streams from the keyboard. It is almost a trance-like state and often I do not realize what I have written until it is complete, the synthesis described, the end tapered shut, and the emotional release achieved. I can re-visit the lines more consciously and see if I have left any driftwood or snags in the stream.

    I find that the sponteneity thus achieved produces a three-dimensional quality to the narrative that helps to convey to the readers (if any there be) the import and the essence of my feeling.

    The process and the writings it produces probably wouldn't pass editorial muster, but that's why I love writing here. It's completely ANONYMOUS!!!
As ALWAYS, well done, Northern!

Good job of getting to the heart of the matter....

"The pressure to communicate seems to create a mental and emotional laccolith" (reminder to self---->keep Roget's handy)

Input much appreciated


im_your_man77 40M
961 posts
4/20/2006 12:27 pm

When I write I do so aimed at people with a similar sense of humour to myself. Sounds like I write for myself but I don't, I'm too lazy to just write for myself but at the same time I'm not clever enough to write to a specific audience. I just like to write pieces taht aren't too serious and hopefully people will read and see the humour in it. I adjust my comments until I feel confident that the person has an understanding of who I am and know that they know to take me too seriously. Once that understanding has occurred then I feel free to push some buttons.
Nice post. I would write more but I'm just in from work, got stuff to do.


clevergirl4U 59F

4/20/2006 6:51 pm

    Quoting im_your_man77:
    When I write I do so aimed at people with a similar sense of humour to myself. Sounds like I write for myself but I don't, I'm too lazy to just write for myself but at the same time I'm not clever enough to write to a specific audience. I just like to write pieces taht aren't too serious and hopefully people will read and see the humour in it. I adjust my comments until I feel confident that the person has an understanding of who I am and know that they know to take me too seriously. Once that understanding has occurred then I feel free to push some buttons.
    Nice post. I would write more but I'm just in from work, got stuff to do.
Hmmm...we are different in this. I finding writing for an audience very easy...I know what they expect, what they like, and what they want to hear. If I were writing for the Republican National Convention, for example, I could spin anything into what I know they like to here.

What I find is VERY difficult to do, is to write from my OWN heart and my OWN experience, and not be tempted to EDIT it for mass consumption...

Thanks for visiting...I hope you will come back once in awhile


AtomicArtist0 46M
6015 posts
4/22/2006 1:09 am

yes, I do write with particular readers in mind, but sadly I'm seeing that 9 or 10 of bloggers and readers that I depended on, seem to not be blogging or reading me anymore. its putting me in a funk, but I think I should follow your advice. Writing for the perfect reader is limiting. I should write for me. and if it makes a few pissed off, then ok. Good advice. thanks.


clevergirl4U 59F

4/22/2006 9:41 am

    Quoting AtomicArtist0:
    yes, I do write with particular readers in mind, but sadly I'm seeing that 9 or 10 of bloggers and readers that I depended on, seem to not be blogging or reading me anymore. its putting me in a funk, but I think I should follow your advice. Writing for the perfect reader is limiting. I should write for me. and if it makes a few pissed off, then ok. Good advice. thanks.
I think there is still some controversy over the Ideal Reader. I think we should only have the audience in mind when we are PERFORMING (the-stand up comic) or giving a speech (targeting a particular group). But as a writer, when I can simply tell the truth about my own experience, it is my most authentic work. However, it may not get read by as many people...


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