May I?  

clevergirl4U 59F
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4/2/2006 10:31 pm

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4/12/2006 10:50 pm

May I?


Can I use the words "SMUG PRI...G...CK" in my own blog?

In response to The Straws That Break the Camel's Backin which I recount my personal experiences with Katrina, the Dane rovakin felt moved to leave the following comment for me:

"Aware that USA has been blocking any attempt to make an international agreement on climate changes and pollution?
Sorry to rub it in when it obviously is on such a personal level for you, but some of us - over here - see some kind of justice in this whole thing. Actually, some of us cant supres a smile..."

Yes, I personally take FULL responsibility for that hole in the ozone layer. In fact, my Toyota Corolla blew that fucker wide open all by itself. And while I am at it, let me speed dial the White House on my personal line. As a feminist Libertarian/Democrat who is pro-choice, believes that church and state should remain strictly separated, and can hug trees with the best of them, I am, OF COURSE, the President's most TRUSTED advisor on the Kyoto Protocol. And let me congratulate YOU PERSONALLY for inciting millions of Muslims last month with that brilliant Danish cartoon. Great job in the effort towards world peace there, for which I can personally thank YOU, seeing as you are Danish.

*OK, my vulgar and out-spoken alter-ego, dumb-assgirl4u, has left the room.

rm_Rovakin 46M

4/3/2006 10:13 am

Well, I'm so happy to have provoked you - do I aspire to the throne of Satan?
Then there is a lot you say that is provoking - and just as unfair as you feel I've been to you. You are opening up for a long long political discussion here. I would love to do that, but it will be totally of track.
I'll limit myself to point out that I'm not danish - and not going into who's country has made the worst provocations toward the muslim community. Anyway, the norwegian (!) government has been a part of whats been happening the last years - and neither you nor me has made any personal contributions to this anyway.
Point is that until climate changes hits us on a personal level there will be no change. And this has to happen in the countries who is responsible for the decisions. I am, truly, sorry for your loss - but WE DO NEED TO CHANGE OUR CLIMATE POLITICS!
Then again, being a true punk rocker, I am happy to have provoked. Was it good for you to darling?


clevergirl4U 59F

4/3/2006 11:36 am

And my Danish line was such a GREAT come back...all you Scandinavians look alike to me

You are preaching to the choir when it comes to the environment. But apart from how I vote and how conscious of the environment I am as I live my personal life out on the planet, there is LITTLE I can do to effect the actions of my government. I accomplish FAR MORE for the environment by recycling than I EVER would protesting, screaming, and burning flags....a cost/benefit analysis.

You OFFENDED me by expressing some kind of smug satifaction, even delight, over the plight of thousands of people on the Gulf Coast. If your politics are born out of compassion, perhaps you could wipe the smile off your face over Katrina?


rm_Rovakin 46M

4/3/2006 1:56 pm

Love is the Law
Love under Will
!
I am a realist - lets talk about children being napalmed in the streets of bagdad...
Compassion? Don't get me started!


clevergirl4U 59F

4/3/2006 3:15 pm

You are missing the point. When you feel a sense of satisfaction over the suffering of others, as you wrote that you felt regarding Katrina, you personally lack compassion.


rm_1hotwahine 64F
21091 posts
4/3/2006 4:58 pm

ROFLMAO
Don't leave the room, Alter Ego. I loved this post.

Yeah, I'm still [blog 1hotwahine]


rm_Rovakin 46M

4/3/2006 6:01 pm

Eh ... are you even aware of what the word "suffering" is implying? Because you lost your power for a few weeks???

On 9/11 I cried. Not because of the people who died i NY, but because of the terror your war-mongering nation would inflict on the world in response. And I was right!

Now, I could give examples of suffering. Doctors without the most elementary equipment - having to operate without anesthetics, willages wiped out by mustard-gas, torture, etc, etc. All directly and knowingly inflicted by your nation...

I am missing the point???
I was simply making the statement that Katarina should be a wakeup call for your nation, and that there seems to be some overall justice to it - get over it!


twirly_girl 48F

4/3/2006 6:06 pm


OMG!
Your entitled to your opinion but... But she is right in regards
to it being an issue of compassion.
Did you really think it was funny that so many
HUMAN BEINGS lost their homes, their jobs, or their lives?
Or how about the earthquake in India that killed so
many people? What praytell did India do to deserve that
natural desaster?
Listen up!
DEVASTATION no matter how large or small is not a laughing
matter. No matter what your views are on politics or global warming.

And yes... I too am guilty of blowing a larger than life hole in the ozone. Pffft! I'm guessing the toxic gas yer blowin' out yer ass ain't helping either.

Sorry...
I think I just added another little hole with this long winded post.
*blushes*

-Nikki


rm_Rovakin 46M

4/3/2006 6:13 pm

Well ... it feels a bit funny running a discussion like this with a picture of me naked beside every posting ... but then again - it is a bit symptomatic

Then again ... valleyrat4: Why are you saying this here and not to the woman in question? And the shut up thing - was that for me, or was it for the woman who said those things? Personally I'm all for free speech, but that is maybe a concept you have left behind - you and your fellow countrymen?


rm_Rovakin 46M

4/3/2006 7:01 pm

Then why are you all dressed up? Lets get naked!


rm_Rovakin 46M

4/3/2006 7:14 pm

Ok, my last statement on this:
The suffering of any person (and being) is unique.
And I am well aware of the dangers of utilitarian thought-systems.
But I will maintain that 100 000 people suffering is worse than 1000 people suffering - thats realism to me.
And I will maintain that america needs to wake up - not 52 % of you, but all of you. Or at least enough of you to win an election...

Now, lets have sex


clevergirl4U 59F

4/4/2006 6:35 am

Rovakin,

Since this is MY blog, I will always get the final word A joke....you are free to continue, or not. I do have some relevant points that I want to add to the discussion.

Although AdultFriendFinder is a sex site, the discussions that take place in the Blogs here are much different than those that might take place in the general site. Most people end up creating a Blog here and joining the blogging community because they are disillusioned with the general site for a variety of reasons. That we are attached TO a sex site tends to make for more open-minded and less inhibited discussion. That a person JOINS AdultFriendFinder to begin with is an indication that they are someone who "colors outside the lines" and are open to creating new kinds of relationships that may differ from societal "norms." SOME discussions that take place here are quite serious. Others are goofy and irreverent. Diversity personified. The post that I originally wrote, "The Straws That Break The Camels Back" and that launched this discussion, was obviously a serious post written on a subject about which I had strong feelings...it was not a "tits and ass" piece, and so to ask people to "lighten up" in reaction to your comments is unrealistic. Since you don't write a Blog, I can understand why you were not aware of the differences between the general site and the blogging community. It is somewhat of an anomaly

When those outside of America address an individual American, why do they feel that they are talking to the entire country, including the American government? The U.S. is not some huge seething mass of evil, like the Incredible Hulk, bent on destroying the planet for the rest of you. This county's size is NOTHING compared to its diversity. Yes, we have states large enough for Norway to get LOST in. We are the size of all of Europe and the Middle East combined. But this country was created by just a few individual states who wanted very little power given to the federal government. The only reason we conceded that we needed a strong federal government at all, is that we recognized the need for a national military to control criminal acts of civil disobedience. We fought a Civil War over states right's. And although we are united under one flag, and HAVE to act as one entity on the international front for the sake of national security, there are many, many, many different voices coming from many different regions of this country.

The environmental lobby in this country outstrips the entire population of Norway. But it competes with many other voices to be heard. Please try and keep all of this in mind when you broach a conversation with an American individual...we are not all spokesmen for the Republican administration! And even those who agree with and support President Bush most likely don't agree with every single administration policy. Considering our sheer size and incredible diversity, I think we are doing a remarkable job of holding it all together, ESPECIALLY while in an environment where we are free to say anything we want, INCLUDING criticizing our government!

Katrina. I did NOT want my Blog to become a Katrina Blog...it is an ASPECT of me that I occasionally discuss, but I am much more than a survivor of the hurricane. There are days when I don't want to face the day-to-day reality of recovery from Katrina, and come here to ESCAPE for awhile. From that Katrina post I guess I can understand why you would think my losses minimal and I also have NO idea how much news coverage Katrina got in Norway. Without going into great detail, I will say that it was about a LOT more than going without power and running water for 2 months. Part of my house broke off and so we were was exposed to the elements. My son got very sick and there were no doctors available, or hospitals open. Two friends died with 2 weeks of the storm because there were no medical facilities. My beloved dog was killed. Four trees landed on my house, so I slept looking at the stars and fighting off the mosquitoes that are a part of this climate. Armed scavengers were looting and I had to sleep with a shot gun. I had no way to communicate with the outside world. My car was destroyed and I pooled with two other families to find supplies.I lost my job, as did over half of the population. Zero income. The house sustained $60,000 in damage of which insurance will only pay for a third. I spent ALL of my retirement funds having 40 trees plus debris removed from the property because insurance does not cover a tree that does not hit the house and FEMA can not come on private property to remove trees. My ex husband lost EVERYTHING, including his home. I am a 47 year-old single mother trying to put a broken life back together. And I am living in a community surrounded by people who suffered far greater losses than I did. I think that knowing this, you can understand why having you write me that some in Norway saw this as some kind of "justice" and "couldn't supress a smile" was very repugnant to me and provoked my angry response.

You obviously have some strong opinions and feel passionately about a variety of issues. Perhaps you should start writing a Blog? And for god's sake GET DRESSED when you visit me (See my post "The Eight Dick Salute".)


clevergirl4U 59F

4/4/2006 6:52 am

Hey Valley: Sorry I missed the conversation. Last night was my son's 16th birthday!

I, too, am VERY tired of the anti-American sentiment in the world, ESPECIALLY when I, as an American individual, am somehow held personally accountable for the policies of the current administration. Hope you will take time to read my lengthy reply, which will possibly put the conversation to bed.

I also understand your sentiment on personal responsibility. I can have the MOST impact on the world through my small daily actions....recycling, volunteerism, simply tring to be a kind and caring person. I try and choose my battles. Sometimes I write to my Congressman and Senators. I might even show up at a rally if I believed it would make a difference. But it is through my daily life that I can effect the most change.


clevergirl4U 59F

4/4/2006 7:25 am

    Quoting twirly_girl:

    OMG!
    Your entitled to your opinion but... But she is right in regards
    to it being an issue of compassion.
    Did you really think it was funny that so many
    HUMAN BEINGS lost their homes, their jobs, or their lives?
    Or how about the earthquake in India that killed so
    many people? What praytell did India do to deserve that
    natural desaster?
    Listen up!
    DEVASTATION no matter how large or small is not a laughing
    matter. No matter what your views are on politics or global warming.

    And yes... I too am guilty of blowing a larger than life hole in the ozone. Pffft! I'm guessing the toxic gas yer blowin' out yer ass ain't helping either.

    Sorry...
    I think I just added another little hole with this long winded post.
    *blushes*
Thank you, AGAIN, for contributing your valuable insights to the Katrina discussion! The bottom line is, that unless people were and are here living it, they simply do NOT fully understand the devastating impact of Katrina. And many are probably tired of hearing about it, 7 months after the fact. They don't realize that very little progress in the recovery has been made and we are facing another hurricane season in less than two months. And never blush over a long comment. I ENCOURAGE discussion on post I write that are discussable


Toodela 60M
1747 posts
4/12/2006 6:19 pm

And I comment late again. I also have a problem with people generalizing and accusing individuals for their government's or country's policy. I know it all too well!

As far as global environmental impact of policies are concerned, I do blame several countries for contributing to the disasters normal human beings are going to have to face in the future, but I do not think it is even reasonable to blame individuals for those policies.

Suffering is suffering, no matter what causes it. I cannot stand uncaring for war victims neither natural disaster victims! That would make me inhuman! We do not always deserve what we get!

Lastly, the blogs are here for personal expression and that is what it should be. If anybody wants to pick up somebody for sex, go to the chat rooms ...

Clevergirl, just my humble opinion


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clevergirl4U 59F

4/12/2006 10:50 pm

    Quoting Toodela:
    And I comment late again. I also have a problem with people generalizing and accusing individuals for their government's or country's policy. I know it all too well!

    As far as global environmental impact of policies are concerned, I do blame several countries for contributing to the disasters normal human beings are going to have to face in the future, but I do not think it is even reasonable to blame individuals for those policies.

    Suffering is suffering, no matter what causes it. I cannot stand uncaring for war victims neither natural disaster victims! That would make me inhuman! We do not always deserve what we get!

    Lastly, the blogs are here for personal expression and that is what it should be. If anybody wants to pick up somebody for sex, go to the chat rooms ...

    Clevergirl, just my humble opinion
Thank you darlin'...all valid points, and you are never too late here.

No doubt the world would be a better place with more open hearts and more open minds!


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