A serious question  

bingybongy 56M
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7/17/2006 12:15 am

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A serious question

I am an intelligent and well educated man. I am well read, open to all things new and interesting, and I believe my view on life is as unbiased as it is possible for anyone's view to be (but then, we ALL think that, don't we?

I have travelled widely. I have experienced many things - some wonderful, some not so wonderful.

Despite all of this, I cannot understand what the hell is going on in the Middle East. I'm sure there's a book somewhere that I could read, but can somebody PLEASE explain it to me.

As one of the nasty characters in "Galaxy Quest"(*) says at one point:

"Explain it to him as you would to a child".

Seriously. You will not patronise me. Just explain to me why everyone hates Israel (apart from the US, it seems) and why Israel hates everyone else (apart from the US it seems).

The way things appear to be escalating out there, I think we could all do with understanding it more clearly.


(*) If you haven't seen this film - watch it! It's a hoot.

Auchnarrow 65M
1 post
7/18/2006 12:13 pm

I am no great expert on this subject, but here are a few thoughts.

• Any religion that has as one of its basic statements "We are Gods chosen people" is not likely to be well accepted by others who by definition are not the chosen ones. This belief is almost bound to make you a very bad neighbour. (If this self view comes as a shock read the Old Testament, the history of the foundation of Israel and/or Judaism).
• The state of Israel was founded by the use of terrorism, and the terrorists went on to become the early political leaders of Israel. At the end of the Second World War the state of Palestine was a British protectorate. Many Jews entered Palestine illegally. They did all the things terrorists the world over do, suicide bombings, blowing up hotels, ambushing peace keeping troops. Every technique used against coalition troops in Iraq today was pioneered by the Israelis.
The British were so enfeebled by the effects of the Second World War, a situation aggravated by the costs of re-paying the USA for the “Lease Lend” equipment and munitions that Britain had received, that they were unable to withstand this terrorist onslaught. Remember at this time food was still rationed in the UK.
• You may ask “were was the USA while this was going on” The answer then, as today, is that American politicians were thinking about what was most important to them, that is getting elected / re-elected.
Any American Politian who opposes Israel will get hit by a double whammy; First they will loose a very significant section of their funding.
Second they will antagonise major sections of the Media, which were then and are now significantly Jewish owned.
Opposing Israel, or even questioning in public Israel’s conduct, is absolute political suicide for any American politician. America’s foreign policy has therefore always been a case of the Israeli tail wagging the American dog.
• So a new nation Israel was bourn occupying what was the Palestinian Protectorate. This was done against the will of the Palestinian people and against the rule of international law. This new nation did not say to the existing people of its territory “can we share this land with you” or “we have had such a terrible time at the hands of the Nazis may we come and live with you”. The Jewish position was “This land was given to us by God”, and “We are Gods chosen people”. Unsurprisingly the vast majority of the indigenous people either moved into the surrounding Arab countries such as Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt, or clustered together in what is now the Gaza Strip. Thus the majority population of Israel became Jewish.
• This was at the height of the Cold War between America and Russia. Some of the Arab states (notably Syria, Egypt, and Libya) were inclined to a left wing position. America foreign policy aims were therefore to
1. Support Israel
2. Oppose left wing Arab nations, at any cost. This included arming and funding the Afghani freedom fighters that were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. These self same people we now know as the “Taliban”
3. Support anyone who would ensure a continuing supply of cheap Middle Eastern oil to the USA. This included some of the most vicious hereditary monarchies such as the House of Saud, The Shah of Iran and the rulers of the minor Arab states such as Dubai, Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.
These policies started and then feed the deep antipathy felt by many Arabs to America.
• With the end of the cold war, and the emergence of Islamic States such as Iran (after the fall of the Shah) these aims have only been slightly modified
1. Support Israel
2. Oppose states dominated by religious fundamentalists (unless they happen to be Christian Fundamentalists who can vote in American elections)
3. Support anyone who would ensure a continuing supply of cheap Middle Eastern oil to the USA.
4. As you are now the worlds only Super Power, pursue the above three aims totally without restraint.
• No one in the Arab world gives a dam about what goes on within America. How often you have elections, what you show on TV, if women work, how they dress, what church your leaders attend, these are all matters of utter disregard to the world of Islam. What is of overriding interest to them is how America’s foreign policy impacts on their lives, aims and ambitions. The sooner that America’s leaders realise that if you keep sticking your fingers into a hornets nest you are likely to get stung. That sting whilst not fatal is liable to be very annoying, and really you should not blame the hornets; it’s your own fault for sticking your fingers into their nest in the first place.
• So what should America do?
1. Revise the system of political funding in the USA to remove the strangle hold that Israel / the Jewish lobby has on American foreign policy.
2. Persuade Israel that threatening to destroy an entire state (Lebanon) because two Israeli soldiers have been taken prisoner by a Lebanese faction is something of an over reaction. In order to achieve this persuasion it might be necessary to threaten to classify Israel as a terrorist state and confiscate all of it’s assets within America. (This might help with funding point 1)
3. Accept that America overreacted to 9-11, and invaded Iraq without any coherent plan of what to do once the existing strong (though very unpleasant) regime had been destroyed. America created a power vacuum, and is now unable to fill it. The inevitable consequence will be civil war, as the various suppressed factions inside Iraq attempt to grab as much as they can in the chaos America has created. You cannot stop this process, all you can do is withdraw, and quietly offer “behind the scenes” help to other nations who may be able to facilitate the break up of Iraq.
4. Cease interfering in an area of the world were America has no legitimate interest (except in the supply of oil). Let the Arab world sort out its own destiny in its own way. In the end this is all America wishes for itself. As regards the price of oil this is really a commercial question, not a political one, and should be addressed as such.

bingybongy 56M

7/18/2006 2:39 pm


Thank you very much. That really has made things a lot clearer for me.

However you read the history of the Middle East, it's very hard to do so without finding oneself launching into a diatribe against the US, isn't it?

All of your comments ring true with me from my youth.... I can (just) recall the news about the Six Day War, and one of my abiding memories is seeing the Egyptians in Russian T-55 tanks and the Israelis in updated American Shermans.

I have studied the Holocaust in some depth and along with any right-minded individual, I believe it was evil beyond description. However, I also believe that the continued wailing and gnashing of teeth over its effects (however undeniably terrible they were) are holding back the Jewish "nation". In very blunt terms, it's about time they got on with their lives - for their own sakes.

Your comments about Jewish control of American politics/media are very interesting. The surreptitious control of international opinion by "the Jews" was central to the Nazi doctrine of the 1930s, and was ultimately the blue touch-paper lit by Hitler to justify the moves that ultimately resulted in the Final Solution. It's also interesting to note that at least as far back as Napoleon's time, French troops entering Russia were warned to avoid "untrustworthy and loathsome Jews".

Extending your undoubted knowledge of this subject still further, what is the historical reason that the Jewish religion has engendered such hatred and mistrust? Is it simply their assertion that they are "God's chosen people"?

Thanks again. Thought provoking and mentally stimulating my friend!

ish_kabible 47M
12 posts
8/14/2006 5:12 am

bingybongy, and others, while you are on the subject of the Middle Eastern crisis, let's not stop at the Holocaust or the Six-Day War, let's take the blinders off for a moment and examine the root cause of this whole mess.

The people in the Middle East routinely hide behind religion, they hide behind ritual, they hide behind deception, they hide behind lies, they hide behind the weak, they hide behind greed, they hide behind subterfuge, all because they LOVE to kill–they LOVE the taste of their victim’s blood. Why? Because their heritage, their culture, their very religion encourages them to blindly do so. To this end, there is only opportunity, there are no innocent civilians.

Ultimately, the world community will need to decide the bigger question:

Mohammed, Prophet or Terrorist?

Just what do the adherents of Muslim, began by Mohammed, a merchant from Mecca who started a new religion called Islam–and is now practiced by the Muslim community–really believe? (Please note my references to the Koran (Qur'an) and my Sources)

Mohammed was in fact a terrorist, criminal, and murderer whose entire life was based on victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless violence, carnage, and massacre. He was a man who destroyed peace wherever he went, and in its place brought terror, carnage, and death. In this day and age, we would even consider Mohammed a pedophile. Even “Sahih Al-Bukhari” says Mohammed was married to a 6 year-old Jewish girl, while he was 51, and he slept with his 11 wives in one night. Safiyah, the 6 year-old Jewish girl whose family members were slaughtered by Mohammed, was made to undergo this legalized on the day her family was killed. In the first year of Mohammed's residence at Yathrib (now Medina) the “Prophet” who never prophesized, celebrated his marriage to Ayisha. Ayisha was then only a young girl (jariyah) of 9-years old per both Abu Dawud and Tabari.

When Mohammed, then a merchant in Mecca, first started screaming from the rooftops that he alone had the divine word of God, the people of Mecca ignored him. However, when he started insulting and defaming the religion of the peace loving Meccans, they couldn't take it anymore and tried persuading him to stop. Mohammed, too scared of the growing hostility against him, instead of calling upon his Allah to strike down the Meccans, he crept out one night and fled for his life.

Ever since that incident, Mohammed was determined to take revenge on the Meccans. He escaped to Medina, which had a sizeable Jewish population, and started plotting his revenge with a small gang of criminals. This was the beginning of Mohammed's trail of violence, hatred, and bloodshed that would soon destroy the once flourishing culture of Arabia. The story has been documented in detail by his biographers: The surprise raids on trade caravans and tribal settlements, and using the resulting plunder for recruiting an ever growing army of greedy desperados. Desperados whom assassinated opponents, as well as used blackmail, expulsion, and massacred the Medinian Jewish civilians. Who attacked and enslaved the Jews of Khayber, while women and children, then sold these victims while using trickery, treachery, and bribery to their fullest extent to grow the numbers of Islam–a term which ironically was supposed to mean 'Peace'! To this end, Mohammed organized no less than 86 expeditions, 26 of which he led himself.

Thus, the converts to Islam’s motives were never in any doubt. As David S. Margoliouth states in his book, Mohammed and the Rise of Islam:

“Of any moralizing or demoralizing effect that Mohammed's teaching had upon his followers we cannot say with precision. When he was at the head of the Robber community, it is probable that his demoralizing influence began to be felt. It was then that men who had never broken an oath learnt that they might evade their obligations, and that men to whom the blood of their clan had been as their own, began to shed it with impunity in the “cause of god”. And that lying and treachery in the cause of Islam received divine approval. It was then too that Moslems became distinguished by the obscenity of their language. It was then too, that the coveting of goods and wives possessed by Non-Muslims was avowed without discouragement from the Prophet....”

The details of all his criminal onslaughts in the form of battles and assassinations are chronicled in this article in a chronological manner. One should note that every time the “Apostle of Peace” committed one of his criminal onslaughts, he always justified the crimes by quickly claiming a “divine revelation” which conveniently removed the blame from his bloodied hands. These convenient Suras are detailed immediately below the description of the carnage.


1) Massacre of unarmed merchants during the sacred month
Date: Late January (Rejeb), 623 AD
Place: Nakhla

Victims: 4 Merchants from the Quraysh tribe of Mecca, the Tribe to which Mohammed himself belonged.

Four UNARMED merchants were traveling to Mecca to sell their goods, consisting of raisins, honey, and animal skins. It was the holy month of Rejeb, considered sacred for trade in Arabia. It was a point-of-honor that any form of warfare or violence was strictly forbidden in this month. Mohammed's gang attacked the helpless men from behind and stabbed two of them to death. Subsequently, they plundered all the goods as booty and Mohammed got one fifths of the share.

This shows the utter lack of morals or scruples on Mohammed's part. The Prophet of Islam did not possess a shred of pity or kindness, or the slightest sense of justice. He cold-bloodedly murdered two innocent people who had never done him any harm and did not even know him! All this was done in a month that the Prophet himself declared was a sacred month in which no warfare should take place. Mohammed was obviously motivated by nothing but hatred and greed.

1a) Convenient divine revelations came down from Allah that absolved him of all the guilt.

Koran (Qu'ran) 2:216
“Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not.”

Mohammed thus completely absolves himself from all blame for having started the fighting. The most insidious and devilish implication of this verse is that Allah is completely justifying Mohammed's murder of the innocent Meccans. Over and above this, Mohammed is conveniently implying that warfare is hateful to him, but he participates in it because Allah ordains it!

Koran (Qu'ran) 2:217
“They question you (O Mohammed) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great transgression but to turn men from the way of Allah and to disbelieve in Him and the inviolable place of worship and to expel its people thence is a greater transgression, for persecution is worse than killing.”

Here Allah is clearly states that to kill or create warfare in the sacred month of Rejeb is a very grave offence, but to justify his own violation of Allah's rules, Mohammed comes up with the idea that since the people killed were unbelievers, it is perfectly okay–doesn’t count! Thus, Mohammed absolves himself from all charges of sacrilege in the horrific murder of the innocent Meccans during the sacred month of Rejeb. How much more tolerant and kind could the “Great Prophet” be?

2) Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans

Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 AD
Place: The well of Badr

Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca and the Quraysh army that came to defend them.

The caravan carried merchandise worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Mohammed ganged up all the criminals of Medina–approxiametely 300 men–and set out to raid the caravan. The Meccans got word of Mohammed’s impending raid and sent out an army to protect the caravan. Throughout the entire ensuing battle, Mohammad cowered in a hut that his men made for him, and cried and prayed with feverish anxiety. At one point he came out of the hut and threw pebbles in the enemy's direction, screaming “Let evil look on your faces!” and “By him who holds my soul in his hands, anyone who fights for me today will go to paradise!” The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and the Muslims beheaded any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom.

Mohammed was gratified at the sight of his murdered victims. After the battle, he sent his followers to look for the corpse of Abu Jahal, one of the Meccans who had criticized him openly. When his corpse was found they cut off the head and threw it down at Mohammed's feet, to which the “Apostle of peace” cried out in delirious joy, “Rejoice! Here lies the head of the enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!” The Prophet then ordered a great pit dug to dump the innocents’ bodies in. After digging the pit, the Muslims then hacked the corpses’ limbs into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Mohammed screamed, “O People of the Pit, have you found that what Allah threatened is true now? For I have found that what my Lord promised was true! Rejoice All Muslims!” One of the prisoners taken was the defiant Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, who had earlier bested Mohammed in a story-telling contest. Mohammed ordered Ali to strike off Nadr's head in his presence, so he could watch and exult in the pleasure of beheading the man who had insulted him. Another prisoner, Uqba ibn Abi Muait was also decapitated in front of the Prophet. Before being killed Abi Muait cried out pitifully “O Prophet, who will look after my children if I should die?” In reply, the “Great Prophet of the Religion of Peace” coldly spat out “Hellfire”, as he brought his blade down and spattered his clothes with Uqba's blood.

And now, Mohammed needed another revelation that would not only absolve him of all the guilt for murdering so many innocent people, but also one that gave him the “divine right” to get a huge share of the plundered booty. Thus, many new revelations instantly, magically appeared to Mohammed immediately following the battle of Badr”:

Koran (Qu'ran) 8:65
“O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast, they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the nonbelievers are a folk without intelligence.”

This Sura clearly exposes Islam as a religion that not only encourages violence, but one that actually makes it a sacred duty for Muslims to kill anyone who does not believe it. Not only is the “All forgiving Allah” exhorting his followers to kill anyone who is not Muslim, he also proclaims that all non-Muslims are too stupid to defend themselves and therefore deserve death!

Koran (Qu'ran) 8:67-68
“It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful.”

This verse directly refers to the prisoners that Mohammed held for ransom after the battle. Allah the “Merciful” proclaims that the prisoners should be killed! In addition, Allah is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is “lawful and good” because it was done in service to Allah. So murder, , plunder, and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Mohammed also insidiously portrays himself as being merciful in sparing the prisoners’ lives, when in fact, he only let them alive so he could get more ransom money for them. In today's world, this is referred to as “Terrorism” of the worst kind.

3) Mohammed assassinates poets who criticize his murderous ways

Date: Late March-April, 623 AD
Place: Medina (aka: Medinah)

Victims: The two most famous poets of Medina. Poets whom had the courage to criticize Mohammed and his gang’s murderous actions…

After the battle of Badr, the people of Medina were horrified by the fact that they had given refuge to such a blatant criminal and his followers. Thus, many began protesting Mohammed and his followers’ presence in their city. In a free society like Pre-Islamic Arabia, the poets acted as the society's conscience and thus were free to criticize, satirize, and examine the people’s actions. And, at this time in Medina, the two most famous poets of this kind were Abu 'Afak; an extremely old and respected poet, and Asma bint Marwan; a young mother with the gift of superb verse.

Muhammad was enraged at their criticism. When he heard the verses composed by Asma Bint Marwan he was infuriated and screamed aloud, “Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan!” Thus, that very night a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. They broke into the poet’s house where she was lying in her bedroom suckling her newborn child, while her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims tore the newborn infant off her breast and hacked it to pieces before her very eyes! They then made her watch the murder of all four of her children, before , and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. And when the Muslims informed Mohammed of the murder, he said “You have done a service to Allah and his Messenger, her life was not worth even two goats.”

And one month later, the distinguished and highly respected Abu Afak, who was over a hundred years old and renowned for his sense of fairness, was killed brutally in the same manner as he slept. Once more, the “Prophet” had asked his following that morning “Who will avenge me on this scoundrel?”

This shows us exactly how little Mohammed respected life. Nonetheless, blatantly exhibiting misinformation, Muslims claim that Mohammed was extremely gentle and loved children. Indeed, the horrifying way he had Asma Bint Marwan's five infants slaughtered certainly attests to his inhumanity.

4) The Siege of the Banu Qaynuqa

Date: April, 623 AD
Place: Medinah

Victims: The Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa

In order to get full control of Medinah, Mohammed needed to get rid of his opponents. The strongest of these opponents was Abdallah Ibn Ubayy, a powerful chief allied with the Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa. This tribe was also the weakest, because they were made up of craftsmen, in particular goldsmiths. Thus by attacking them, Mohammed knew he could plunder a huge amount of wealth and weaken Ibn Ubayy. To fabricate an excuse to attack them, Mohammed made a girl married to one of his followers pretend that the Jews had teased her. Subsequently, the Muslims blockaded the fort of the Banu Qaynuqa for fifteen days until the starving Jews surrendered. Immediately, the Prophet was ready to kill them all, but Ibn Ubayy seized hold of Mohammed and protested. Mohammed's face became black with rage as he shouted “Let go of me”, but Ibn Ubayy was adamant and shouted back “No, by God, I will not let you go until you deal kindly with my allies. 400 men without armor and 300 with, whom have always supported me against enemies. And you want to slay them all in one morning! By God, If I were in your place I would fear a reversal of fortune”.

At this threat, the cowardly Mohammed turned pale, as he realized that all the people of Medinah were against him. Thus, he hit Ibn Ubayy on the face and ordered that the Jews be kicked out of their own homes. Their property was seized and looted, and many of the prettiest women were taken as prisoners to become sex-slaves, while Mohammed kept one-fifths of the enormous booty for himself. This is the way Mohammed repaid the kindness of the Jews of Medina, who had given him shelter and a refuge when Mohammed had run away from Mecca in fear.

The revelations in the Eighth Sura of the Koran are clearly in reference to the Banu Qaynuqa and anyone who opposed the Muslims.

Koran (Qu'ran) 8:55-57

“Lo, the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe. Those of them with whom you made a treaty and then at every opportunity they break their treaty and they keep not duty to Allah, If you come on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, so that they may remember.”

Here Allah justifies Mohammed's acts of planned terrorism against the Jewish Tribe, because according to the “Merciful” Allah, Non-Muslims are the worst of BEASTS! So it is perfectly all right to murder, , torture, and pillage the non-believers! Not only that, but Allah is advising Mohammed and the Muslims that when anyone protests against the injustices committed by Muslims, the Muslims should make sure and deal with them with such violence that it will strike fear among anyone who may think of supporting dissent. This proves that the Koran is nothing more than a political manual for controlling people with terror. Not even the fascist armies of Hitler engineered such devilish ideas.

The four examples just cited are merely a few of the incidents that demonstrate the intolerant and merciless nature of the inhuman acts committed by Mohammed and the Muslims.

It was Mohammed that started the fighting, by attacking the Meccan caravans during a time that attacks were traditionally forgone between enemies in that area.

Further, note that Islam works in much the same way as so-called communism, which is by subversive means. As Islam was introduced to the native Indonesians, the people found that the religion was very adaptable to their animism and pagan beliefs. Thus, Islam did not really change their beliefs, but instead absorbed it, since Islam did not bring something that was dramatically different than indigenous pagan beliefs.

For example, the Muslim belief in jinns (spirits and ghosts), as well as superstitious practices such as charms, amulets, susuk, mantras (using arabic language which no one really knows whether it is a koranic verse or not), witch doctors or shamans (dukun), and many others which are still widely practiced by the Indonesian Muslims.

Thus, as Islam follows the native people’s timeworn belief system, and as Christianity seeks to eradicate these practices the people were more receptive to Islam, except in some parts of Indonesia.

Muslims call the visions in which Mohammed received the divine revelations a “Jin”. Five verses of the Surah Al-Alaque were supposedly revealed to Mohammed in a cave. This cave is situated on mount Al-Noor along the way to Mina near Makkah, and its peak is visible from a great distance. Islamic sources give this credibility here. Many Islamic scholars term it the “unbelievable miracle”. Most Christian-Jewish scholars call it the “Unholy miracle”.

The LIE!

What was in the Cave with Mohammed?

At first, Mohammed himself was convinced that the “revelations” he received in this Hira Cave were evil and from Satan. It was Mohammed's wife that convinced Mohammed that what he received in the cave was from God. Thus, this lie has led billions of Muslim souls into a religion with no hope of redemption–because they reject the only way to redemption that God promised–to those who believe what God did through His son Jesus (Yeshua) on a cross in Jerusalem. Likewise, Muslims have no hope of being saved–because nowhere in the Qu'ran does Allah offer redemption. As a result, Mohammed himself was unsure if he would ever be allowed into Heaven.

What Islam Is
Islam allows no freedom and promotes blatant cruelty towards women. This alone attests that it be Satan behind Islam who enslaves Muslims and turns them away from the truth. Look everywhere in the Muslim Koran–Qu'ran, and you will not find one attribute of love by Allah.

Once Islam gained stronger influence, the maulanas used military forces to attack the Hindu and the Buddhist kingdoms in their objective to Islamize the regions, just like they did anywhere else in the world.

When Muslims state that “there is no God but Allah” and “Mohammed is the final Prophet”, they are insulting every other religion, as well.

Islam followers , pillaged, and plundered India and many countries around the world. And today, it is the Islamic nations that threaten world peace.

Muslims do not hesitate to criticize “non-believers”, but they become very upset when non-believers criticize Islam. But, religious freedom and freedom of speech is a two-edged sword which cuts both ways. Thus, the American freedom of speech (to criticize) and freedom of religion are deeply cherished and exercised by Americans, but such concepts of freedom are unknown and incomprehensible in Islamic societies.

Jihad (Holy War) & Islamic Martyrs

And what reward does Islam bring to the jihad martyr? He is promised a palace of pearls in which there be 70 mansions; and inside each mansion there are 70 houses, and in each house a bed on which there are 70 sheets, and on each sheet, there is waiting for the jihad martyr, a beautiful virgin. Likewise, he is assured that he will have the appetite and strength of 100 men for food and sex.

This fantastic dream is fed to Muslim boys from their earliest childhood. Satan promised Jesus things similar to these and more when he tempted Jesus in the desert.

To any true son or true daughter of God, these Muslim hopes are loathsome. To a woman it is hell on Earth…to her it is nothing more than and terror.

This motivation alone bolsters the Muslims’ reckless courage and determination while training and then executing terrorist deeds. Deeds in which they sacrifice their lives in bringing death and destruction to “the enemies of Allah.”

And, this courage stems solely from a unique doctrine of Islam. Abu-Bakr, the first Caliph to succeed Mohammed–one of the few to whom Mohammed promised Paradise without martyrdom–declared that even if he had one foot in Paradise he could not trust Allah to let him in. Abu-Bakr proclaimed that the only sure way in Islam of achieving Paradise is to sacrifice one's life in jihad. Thus, although Islam forbids suicide as self-murder, it encourages male followers to sacrifice their life in killing infidels, as this act carries Islam’s highest reward.

People of good will naturally recoil from attaching blame to a major world religion itself, but we can no longer afford such sentimentality. No longer dare we allow Islam to escape its undeniable responsibility to human rights and accountability.

In this vein, note that there are more than 100 verses in the Koran–Qur'an advocating the use of violence to spread Islam.

In the Qur'an, Allah commands Muslims, “Take not the Jews and Christians as friends….Slay the idolaters [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them….Fight against such as believe not in Allah...” (Surah 5:51; 9:5,29,41, etc..).

As the Koran warns Muslims, “Do not take Jews or Christians as your friends”, during the Arab conquests, Jews and Christians alike were massacred, and synagogues and churches were destroyed. Thus, a popular Muslim phrase in the Middle East is: “On Saturday we kill the Jews and on Sunday we kill the Christians!”

In Islam, the world is divided between the believers and the infidels, between Dar al Islam (“the world of Islam” and Dar al Harb (“the world of war”. All non-Muslims are included in the world of war, and thus, can be forced to accept Islam through Jihad, Holy War.

With this knowledge in mind, we can understand the roots of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Though most Muslims might shrink from obeying such commands, this is official Islam and it cannot change without admitting that Muhammad was a false prophet and murderer.

A note on the Middle East
Islam now claims the land of Israel, which is now inaccurately called Palestine. This land, termed the Promised Land, and given to Israel by the God of the Bible, has been occupied by Jews continuously for the last 3,000 years, and they are the ONLY people to have done so. In recognition of this undeniable historic fact, all of “Palestine” was given to the Jews for a national homeland in a 1917 League of Nations ruling. However, Britain’s administration steadily betrayed the Jews of this mandate (and the demise of the British Empire can be dated from that betrayal). And subsequently, the land was parceled out instead to Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. And now, in history’s greatest Catch-22, Israel is accused of occupying land that actually has been theirs for 3,000 years! The come-lately “Palestinians” are sustained by the world in the lie that they are the original owners of this land. And as a result, terrorism is perpetrated not only against Israel but now in this latest act–9/11–against the United States to apply pressure to force Israel out of its rightful land as well as to spread Islam around the world.

The Islamic Koran--Qu'ran itself declares that Israel belongs to the Jews, yet Muslims state that Jews have no right to live in the Holy Land. The Muslim “Bible” itself, the Koran says; “And Musa (Moses) said to his people (Israel): ‘O my people! remember the favor of Allah upon you when He raised prophets among you and made you kings and gave you what He had not given to any other among the nations. O my people! enter the holy land which Allah has prescribed for you and turn not your backs for then you will turn back losers.” Surah 5:20-21 In writing this, Mohammed copied teachings already mandated in Judaism and Christianity. Obviously, Mohammed learned something from his Jewish & Christian wives…

Mohammed’s Expeditions
During the 6th year of Hijra, there were as many as 17 expeditions. These ended in the capture of herds, flocks, and whatever Mohammed’s army could steal, serving to spread the terror of Muhammad's name.

The Battle with the Quraiza Jews - Poisoning of Mohammed:

Shortly after the seige of Medina ended, Mohammed marched with 3,000 followers against 2,000 Quraiza Jews, attacked the Jews, and they soon surrendered. Mohammed asked a wounded chief named Sa'd to decide the fate of the captives. His response was that the men should be put to death, the women and children sold into slavery, and the booty divided among the Islamic army. A shrill of horror ran through the assembled captives. Mohammed then said, “Truly, the judgment of Sa'd is the judgment of the Lord, pronounced on high from above the seventh heaven”.

Thus, the Muslims dug trenches across from the marketplace, and in the morning Mohammed commanded that the male captives be brought out 5 and 6 at a time. The Jews were made to sit down at the top of the trenches. Next, the Muslims beheaded them and tossed their bodies into the trench. This sickening butchery by Mohammed–the “Prophet of God”–lasted all day and continued into the night by torchlight.

Zainab, a Jewess who lost her husband, father, and brother to Mohammed’s Islamic butchery, thus planned revenge. In this vein, she cooked a goat while lacing it with poison, and served it to Mohammed for his evening meal. Taking for himself his favorite piece (the shoulder), Mohammed next distributed portions to Abu Bakr and his other friends. Tasting the poison, Mohammad spat out the first piece and screamed “Hold”, “this shoulder has been poisoned!” One of Mohammed's friends who had swallowed part of the meat soon died, while excruciating pains wracked through Mohammed. In her defense, the Jewess Zainab said:

“Mohammed, thou has inflicted grievous injuries on my people, and slain, as thou seest, my husband and my father. Therefore, said I within myself, If he be a prophet he will reject the gift, knowing that it is poisoned; but if only a pretender we shall be rid of our troubles.”

Of interest is this emphatic declaration in Surat al-An'am (Cattle) 6:34

“...there is none That can alter the Words (And Decrees) of Allah.”

So, is the Allah of Islam fickle?
Mohammed told his early followers that the Qiblah, the physical direction of the prayers, should be toward Ka'bah. But then Mohammed migrated to Medina, and he changed this direction toward Jerusalem to please the predominant Jewish population. 17 months later, Allah changed his mind the 3rd time when he commanded Mohammed to look toward Mecca and not toward Jerusalem. Many contradictions like this exist in the Muslim Koran–Qu'ran.

Mohammed dies June 8, 632 A.D. in Medina

In the third month of the eleventh year of Hijra, Mohammad fell sick and lay in the house of his wife, Ayisha in Medina. His infant son Ibrahim’s recent death weighed his spirits down, and the poison he had consumed at Khaibar still bothered him.

Subsequently, a little after midday on 8 June, 632, Mohammed stretched himself gently out and was no more. Later in the night, his followers dug his grave on the same spot where he breathed his last. They spread his red mantle on the bottom of the grave, and his body was lowered into it. The grave was made level with the floor. Today, Mohammed's tomb is close to the mosque of Medina. Six mosques have stood on the same site as the present one.

The "Prophet of Peace" who the Koran–Qu'ran commanded to fight 26 battles, and who planned no less than 86 expeditions was no more. He gave no prophecies and performed no miracles.

Is Islam a Threat, or Good for the Rest of the World?

In June 1991, Siraj Wahaj, a Black Islam convert and a recipient of the American Muslim Communities highest honor, delivered the daily prayer at the U.S. House of Representatives. Using the Koran, Siraj prayed that the “Almighty” would guide American leaders, “and grant them righteousness and wisdom”.

Over a year later, this same Siraj Wahaj advised an audience of Muslims in New Jersey that “If only Muslims were more clever politically, they could take over the United States and replace its Constitutional Government with a caliphate. “Quoting this Muslim; "If we were united and strong, we'd elect our own leader and give allegiance to him…. take my word if the 6-8 million Muslims unite in America, the country will come to us.”

Of note: This Siraj Wahaj is the same Muslim leader who served as a “character witness” for the blind Sheikh Rahmen, who was on trial in 1995, and who was later found guilty of Conspiracy to overthrow the Government of the United States.

Who is Allah?

At Mohammed’s birth, each Arab tribe in Mecca had their deity During Mohammed’s youth, there was a large black meteor found in the desert which many Arabs believed was sent to them by astral deities. This rock was placed in the southeast corner of a cube-shaped structure in Mecca. The arabs knew this rock as the Ka/ba, which means stone. At this time before Islam, this stone was part of the shrine to worship a chief male god (among 350 other gods) who was known as Hubal. The black meteor stone symbolized a nature god known as al-Hajar al-Aswad. Hubal was an oracular deity whose stature–human form and made of red carneol–stood in the Ka'ba until Mohammed destroyed it.

The Qurash (aka: Quraish) tribe which Mohammed belonged to was in charge of idol worship at the Ka'ba Shrine. The cheif god of Mohammed's tribe was one of the three sister goddesses called al-Uzza, the youngest of the three daughters of the pre-Islamic Allah and the patron goddess of Mecca. Her name means “the mighty one”. The other two were named “al-Lat” and “al-Manat”. It was only by chance that a fortune teller counseled Mohammed's grandfather against sacrificing Mohammed's father to this al-Uzza pagen deity. The head of these pagan deties was "Al-llah". "Al-llah" in Mohammed's time before Islam referred to a vague moon god and it is documented that Mohammed believed that al-Uzza was a daughter of this "al-llah".

The Qurash (aka: Quraish) tribe which Mohammed belonged to was in charge of idol worship at the Ka'ba Shrine. The cheif god of Mohammed's tribe was one of the three sister goddesses called al-Uzza, the youngest of the three daughters of the pre-Islamic Allah and the patron goddess of Mecca. Her name means “the mighty one”. The other two were named “al-Lat” and “al-Manat”. It was only by chance that a fortuneteller counseled Mohammed's grandfather against sacrificing Mohammed's father to this al-Uzza pagen deity. The head of these pagan deties was “Al-llah”. “Al-llah” before Mohammed's time, thus before Islam, referred to a vague moon god and it is documented that Mohammed believed that al-Uzza was a daughter of this "al-llah".

Thus, the Qurash tribe’s Allah corresponds to the preexisting god Bel, which is another name of the Assyrio-Babylonian gods En-lil and Marduk. Bel means the same as Baal. Thus, today’s Arabic translates the word Allah as “God”. It is interesting to note that Mohammed’s father’s name was "Abd Al-llah" (or slave of Al-llah). When Mohammed says there is only one god–Allah–now you understand how his background shaped his religious teachings.

Islam would have Christians and Jews believe that this Allah who insists on world domination and death to non-believers–and who is the same god who offers Muslim terrorist martyrs hedonistic sex with virgins in heaven–is their interpretation of the same Christian and Jewish “holy God of the Book”. However, Christians and Jews know that this claim, by definition, is blasphemy. And further, that this satanically inspired religion has also managed to enslave women, which God would never be part of. That beyond the mandatory wearing of head veils, in the Islamic religion, if the husband wants to have sex with his wife he can, whenever he pleases, even by force–which in Christian and Jewish tradition is considered unconscionable cruelty and . What’s more, under Egyptian law and penalty of death, Muslims are not allowed to change their religious identities to any other faith, although Christians are free to convert officially to Islam.

In the Koran there is listed 99 attributes of Allah. But nowhere in the Koran does Allah profess love for mankind.

Weigh this evidence carefully. This is what the Koran states, and even what the Muslims claim. Thus, you will see that the Koran is Mohammed’s self-serving creation, and that Allah is a false god. What’s more, Allah is clearly the same old tribal pagan god of pre-islamic arabs that Mohammed simply elevated to a deity position to motivate his troops into plundering, , and murdering. It provided Mohammed the “divine authority” that he needed to achieve his own convenience; just as it continues to provide spoils for the Arab kings, Imans and teachers of Islam today.

Via Islam, Mohammed bequeathed slavery upon women. One of the most difficult verses reads: “Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them” (Surah 4:34). Men are the “managers” of women (Surah 4:35) and can “come unto [their] tillage as they wish” (sexually) (Surah 2:223); can divorce their wives by stating “I divorce you” three times (2:229-230); and may take more than one wife (4:29).

When Mohammed began to preach his new religion in 610 AD, the leaders of Mecca strongly opposed him. In 622 AD, elders from a town located some 250 miles north of Mecca approached Mohammed and asked Mohammed to be their ruler. Mohammed accepted on the conditions that they would also accept him as a prophet and that he could bring his followers. The exodus to this town–later known as Medina–Muslims today term the “hijra”. In 630 AD, the Medina forces under Mohammed defeated the Meccans, and the Muslims returned to Mecca and cleansed the “kaba” of its idols. Mohammed continued to rule Medina until his death in 632 AD.

Mohammed was a fickle, power-hungry human unworthy of worship. What’s more, Mohammed was extremely close to the Jews in the beginning of his campaigns of , plunder, and murder because he realized he could only capture Mecca and Medina with Jewish help. Thus, hoping to secure Jewish support for those military campaigns, Mohammed had yet another vision that his Allah wanted Muslims to do their praying facing the then Christian Jerusalem. However, Mohammed stopped this practice when he realized there was no hope that the Jews would join Islam. Henceforth Mohammed and his Allah stopped the practice of facing Jerusalem and ordered all prayers to henceforth be said while facing in the direction of Mecca.

Now We Come Full Circle

Mohammed was in intent and fact a terrorist, criminal, and murderer of the worst kind whose entire life was based on victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless acts of violence, carnage, and massacre. He was a man who destroyed peace wherever he went, and in its place brought terror, carnage, and death. In this day and age, we would even consider Mohammed a pedophile. Even “Sahih Al-Bukhari” says Muhammad was married to a 6 year-old Jewish girl while he was 51, and he slept with his 11 wives in one night. What is even worse, Safiyah, the 6 year-old Jewish girl whose family members were slaughtered by Mohammed, was made to undergo this legalized on the day her family was killed. And in the first year of Mohammed's residence at Yathrib (now Medina) the so-called “Prophet” who never prophesized, celebrated his marriage to Ayisha who was then only a small 9-year old child.

Historical facts based on Islamic sources including:
Koran itself--Bokhari ‒ 870 AD
Ibn Ishaq ‒ 768 AD
Abu Dawud (sunnah) ‒ 832? AD
Wakidi ‒ 822 AD
Ibn Hisham ‒ 828 AD
Ibn Sa'd ‒ 845 Ad
Ahmad ibn Hanbal ‒ 855 AD
Tirmidhi ‒ 892 AD
Tabari ‒ 929 AD
Zamakhshari ‒ 1144 AD
Baidawi ‒ 1292 AD
Ibn Hajar - "Isabah", or "Dictionary of Persons who knew Mohammed"

bingybongy 56M

8/14/2006 6:02 am

Mr Kabible (or can I call you Ish?)...

Thank you for this. If I'm honest, I don't really know how to respond! This is a most comprehensive dissection of the subject, and it will need much careful consideration.

Please be aware that I did not ask the original question out of any desire to provoke hostile feelings, either anti-Israel/Jewish religion or anti-Muslim religion. Nor am I intrinsically "pro" either "party".

However, for a long time, I've heard people say that the situation "down there" would be better if the West would clear out and let the indigenous peoples sort it out for themselves. Maybe that's true, but it shouldn't preclude "the West" understanding what is happening.

In my view, understanding is the first brick in the bridge towards compromise and peace.

I asked my question out of the simple wish to gain better understanding of the factors that have contributed to what is, by anyone's standards, an UNholy mess.

Thanks you for your thoughts on this subject - and I wish YOU peace.


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