Black and White  

aascrompn 43M
6957 posts
9/9/2006 8:24 pm

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10/18/2006 8:25 am

Black and White

I'm watching this show on TV about being black versus being white... They actually paint these people the other race...

This show actually pisses me off! I'm telling you this, because the black people seem to notice the most difference in culture.

The white daughter (painted black)read poetry in front of nothing but a black crowd... She was worried about sounding black enough. After she went on stage, she had a black girl actually tell her that she used too many big words... This girl is maybe 16... It pisses me off that she was criticized for being too smart! Too many big words?? Are you fucking kidding me??

What makes me mad is the fact that she is supposed to downplay her education for the comfort of others. Is it the fault of white people that black people are not (according to the show) as educated??

The reason why this show is so popular is b/c it's featured, primarily, in the South of this country. I was born and raised in Canada... There are interracial relationships all day long. You would never see that here in the South. I know it's ignorant, but it's the truth.

I'm still shocked that in the South, however, there is a bad problem w/ reverse discrimination! There really is a problem. Everytime I've ever dealt w/ a black person, whether it be on the street driving, or in a mall, I'm always presented w/ some kind of attitude. It's the truth.

I want everybody to know that I'm not racist! I'm really not! However, I'm sick of the BS! I'm tired of being the bad guy for the faults of others too many years ago, of which I, not my family, had nothing to do with!


keithcancook 61M
17930 posts
9/9/2006 9:19 pm

Ugh! What're you watching that garbage for?

Tolerance is increasing with wealth and education and generational change. It's slow, but it seems to be gaining ground. Even in the south.

aascrompn replies on 9/12/2006 8:03 am:
To be honest it was just in the background as I was doing my computer crap... I started hearing more and more and actually stopped working b/c I got so pissed off.

I used to actually think that things were getting better, but the older I get, the more I'm enlightened. I'm not sure things are getting better. It's a nice thought though.

Thanks for stopping by!

eclecticsoul4u 58F
942 posts
9/9/2006 9:37 pm

i hated this show when it came out. it is insulting to both black and white people. and bear in mind the final version you're looking at has been edited to push whatever racial agenda the producers have. TOTAL ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT

aascrompn replies on 9/12/2006 8:04 am:
Ya, I thought about the final product as well. I know they can angle anything in any different direction. All I was saying is that I was completely pissed off with it.

Thanks for stopping by!

AtomicKisss 59M

9/9/2006 10:46 pm



Congratulations! In more than a year, you are only one of two (2) people to have struck one of my raw nerves. Allow me to enlighten you on a few things. Hopefully, you will reconsider some of the conclusions you reached.

First, let me start out by saying that I am a 47 year old black man, highly educated (former nuclear physicist with a degree in mathematics also). I went to the best schools and my retirement at the age of 36 underscores my success in the workplace. By the way, there were no free passes for me via the Affirmative Action process. Quite the contrary, here are just some of the things I have had to endure as a black man:

Age 3: I was hospitalized for pneumonia. During visiting hours, I was rolled out into the general ward with the other kids so my parents could visit me. When visiting hours were over, my bed was rolled back into the storage closet (janitorial) so the hospital could maintain their illegal segregationist policy. (Fort Meade, MD).

Age 5: In Catechism (Catholic Bible study), whenever a child acted up the teacher would make him/her sit next to me because I was black (Negro). Back then, this was viewed as punishment. San Bernardino, CA).

Age 7: Although I was the best student in the class, the teacher moved me to the class for "retarded children." As it turned out, the teacher did not want a black child to show up the rest of the class. (Okinawa, Japan).

Age 8: The class had a math competition. Even though I won the award, the teacher refused to give it to me because I was black. (Pittsburgh, PA).

Age 9: I attended a predominately white school. There I was constantly called the "N" word. The administration refused to do anything about it. (Pittsburgh, PA).

Age 10: I joined the Cub Scouts. Although they spoke about teamwork, togetherness, honesty, and all sorts of virtues, I was only allowed to attend the scout meetings (which were held in various homes) if I entered the houses through the back door and ensured that I was not seen by the neighbors.

Let's fast forward to my teen years and beyond...

Age 17: At a very exclusive private boarding school (I was on scholarship), the students thought it would be funny if they dressed up as Klansmen and raided my room during the middle of the night. (Wayne, PA).

College at West Point: Several Cadets made it very clear that blacks were unwelcome. Also, people, including faculty members, were justifying my presence by saying I gained admission via the Affirmative Action process.

Age 24 (1983): I entered a doughnut shop in Louisiana, sat down at the counter at the first vacant seat I saw. Service was refused because the shop was segregated and I was sitting on the wrong side.

Age 26 (1986): When I married a Caucasian lady, my boss stated that he was a Segregationist, that he thought the marriage was a sin, and that I had just committed a "career limiting move." When I reported the incident to Human Resources, I was not believed, my boss denied ever saying such a thing, and I quickly realized that I had become the problem - not the racism. (Burlington, KS).

Age 30 (1989): I accepted a consulting assignment only to find out that the entire management chain was Mormon (statistically, this does not happen unless there is a "Boy's Club". Shortly after starting work there and before I went on my first company sponsored trip, I was called into my supervisor's office. My supervisor cautioned me to behave appropriately by not going to a barbeque ribs place for a business lunch, not to keep a toothpick in my mouth after lunch, and not to use black lingo. I thought this was some kind of inappropriate joke but my supervisor was not joking. Yes, their hired expert, the person they were seeking advise from (nuclear physics), the person with well over a 6-figure salary... had been stereotyped. (San Francisco, CA)

Age 33 (1992): When I attempted to rent an apartment, I noticed that the application requested information on hair color and eye color. Knowing what this was all about, I had my wife (Caucasian) fill it out. As anticipated, there were no people at the apartment complex with black hair and brown eyes (most minorities have this hair-eye combination). (Sallisaw, OK).

Age 47 (2006): Most recently I went to a bar. Inside the bar there was a drunken man who insisted on using the "N" word and insisted on calling the black patrons the "N" word. The bar maid refused to throw the man out. Only after a heated exchange and a near fight did someone step in and forcibly remove the man from the bar. It is noteworthy that I had already spent near $100 in that establishment that night. (Galveston, TX)

Obviously, I skipped a lot of incidents but I think I have made several poignant points. First, discrimination, stereotyping, and bigotry, the fuel for discrimination, still exists - and not just in regional areas. Although it has taken more subtle forms over the years (such as the application for the apartment and the management structure in San Francisco), it still exists. Also, a person does not have to be impoverished, or in the lower socio-economic class to experience a barrage of hatred, bigotry, and inaction (acceptance) by others.

I am not saying that every minority with a chip on his shoulder is justified. What I am saying is that the reason for the attitude needs to be examined. For many, especially those who lack the tools to overcome the unfair obstacles (such as money, education, prestige, power, or clout), the unending frustration lends itself to resentment and the development of an attitude. To be fair, I will also concede that a good percentage of people harbor resentment out of ignorance and because it is vogue to act that way within the community. But wait, isn't that one of the things that drives the prejudice against minorities (especially in the south) - it is the vogue and popular thing to do/way to act?


aascrompn replies on 9/12/2006 8:34 am:

Wow... where to start?

Let me start off by saying that you have quite an impressive set of credentials. This lets me know many things about your stance and feelings by that of thinking from a higher level. This, I can most appreciate. Also, let me state that my minors in Physics, Math, and Business, plus my degree in CS is in no way any comparison to that of being a nuclear physicist, but I definetely feel that I can at least hold a debate with you over a social issue. We both, in that regard are not as educated.

I do study social dynamics. I feel that by doing so, I'm more prepared in my dealings with people. I simply watch and listen. I watch everything from body language to that of hearing voice inflections to get a read. I've not had to do that with you to understand you're being upset with my post. But is it my post that you're pissed off with, really?

You have displayed a great many cases of which you were done wrong. I empathize for you. I certainly would not want to be on the end that you've lived on. I know that it's something that offends you, but that you're dealing with it and moving on... you're being the bigger man.

Where have I displayed discrimination, stereotyping, and bigotry? To put it simply, I have not. I put general statements down of which I can back up with cases such as yours, except in reverse.

The point of my post was more or less pointing out the ignorance of those televised. The point that I was writing about was that of the attitude of those being shown. However, this attitude exists. There is a rather huge chip that resides on a rather large group of shoulders the area in which I live, Atlanta. It's usually from those that feel repressed.

Let me know ask a few questions, as I think by doing so, will help you understand my side of things. If one were to be born in another country, does one automatically qualify for monies to go to school? No? Hmmm... Why is there monies alotted towards minorities and not that of all who are in some kind of hardship? Do you believe that the majority of wellfare recipients are honest with their claims? Do you believe it's abusing the system to have more children in order to acquire more monies to support the families? Do you believe that tax payers should continue to carry the burden of those who MIGHT be abusing the system? Do you enjoy forking out your hard earned, retirement fund monies to those that COULD possibly be abusing the system, if you thought there might be?

Now, let me make some claims. I was born Canadian. I moved here at the ripe age of five. I moved to Atlanta. There is a pretty strong feeling of those that live here that Atlanta and Georgia should almost be two different states. There is more culture interminglings here than you will probably see in any other Southern state. Most people that live in Atlanta are not even from here. As a result, I feel that I'm pretty well cultured. I've been to Germany, Yugoslavia, Italy, Austria, Denmark, Spain, France, Leningrad, Moscow, and Canada... I'm fairly well educated - not that of you - however, I'm not ignorant. I'm not a bigot, and I'm surely not tolerant of those that unrightfully make unjustafiable claims.

Where was my Candaian-American foundation? Where were my monies to help me go to school due to not being from here? Where were the lawyers to help me fight child support failings? The fact is, if there were to be an all white foundation, to help povered white people, there would be absolute hell to pay! You know damn well that's the case. I understand that you never utilized it, but neither did I.

I became an American in '93. You see, my feeling was that since I lived here, I should say thank you and pay the government back for allowing me to live free. I did so, not just to become an American, but to join the USAF. Now, this is where things get really good in this debate...

When I joined the service, I requested to become a pilot. I was told that I was not even in question, b/c two other slots had to be filled first. They needed to be filled to fullfill a minority requirement. How would that have made you feel? Here, I was a damnnear qualified guy ready to fly and couldn't b/c of quotas.

When I went to college, I relied on my scholership. I didn't have the funds to pay my way through. I didn't have groups to support me due to my heritage. I made it through on a state-sponsered scholorship due to good grades from highschool. Let me state that I do feel bad for those who were not as well educated as I while attending highschool. I made it because I busted my ass. I know that there are kids out there who do try. I know that there are kids that no matter how hard they try, they still just don't understand. My heart goes out to them, however, they are usually not the ones who have attitudes. They are usually the ones that figure out another way.

You had very valid points. I due respect you and love that I can have an educated debate on my blog. I just want you to see things from the other side as well. The growing resentment on my end is from the lack of care from what I witness on a daily basis.

I will concede that there are many Southern areas of which will validate your statements. I'm not sure, however, Atlanta could be considered one of the top areas.


PailsDiverHonks 56F

9/10/2006 7:21 pm

I'm staying out of this one.

aascrompn replies on 9/12/2006 8:35 am:
Wow!! It's sooo good to see you back... I've often wondered how you've been doing. BTW, I'm 32 now...

alphuctup 41M

9/11/2006 1:22 am

One day we may all be grey...if we haven't killed each other first.

aascrompn replies on 9/12/2006 8:36 am:
Hopefully it will never come down to that, but at this rate, who knows...

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