John 'Flip-Flop, Cut and Run' Kerry Reverses His Position On Iraq Once Again!  

TTigerAtty 63M
3769 posts
6/13/2006 3:31 pm

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John 'Flip-Flop, Cut and Run' Kerry Reverses His Position On Iraq Once Again!

Sen. John 'Flip-Flop, Cut and Run' Kerry (D-MA) reversed his position on Iraq once again today as he spoke before a group of Democratic Party activists at the 'Take Back America Conference'. I was shocked to learn that Sen. Kerry had changed his mind once again!

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), who had spoken before the same crowd prior to Kerry speaking, was loudly booed for her vote in favor of the war, and her continued supposed support of the war. You see, the liberal base of the Democratic Party wants to 'cut and run'.

Kerry, now famous for his puzzling statement during the 2004 presidential campaign "I actually voted against the Iraq war before I voted for it", has once again 'flip flopped'. He announced today that his vote in the Senate to authorize the war was wrong in hindsight.

So, now, I suppose that means that Sen. John Kerry "actually voted against the war before he voted for it and before he subsequently came out against it"? I wonder what his position will be when he runs for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008? Will we ever know for sure?

I'm sorry, I'm confused. Can one of the liberals out there please explain this to me? I'm just a simple-minded, conservative from Missouri. Perhaps my dear friend, xxxxx, would like to chime in here and tell us what Sen. Kerry's position on the war is?


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DIVISION77 41M
8337 posts
6/13/2006 4:26 pm

I'm a moderate and I vote issue-based.

I think Kerry was a bad choice for the Democrats last election.

He did come off as a waffler and has done nothing subsequent to dispell that notion.

I think the next president will be Sen. John McCain or Sen. Joe Biden.

Either way, conservatives won't be happy.

McCain has alot more credibility than Bush ever did, esp as it concerns war. He is the one who actually served. If he won in '00, you can be sure Iraq would not have been the disaster it is now. As it stands, he is the best choice they have and he gets the crossover vote that Bush could never get. The only reason Bush won back then was due to his affair with big business. McCain is his own man.

Biden is a better choice than Hillary Clinton. If the Democrats put her up as their nominee, it is a sure-fire way to give the Republicans another victory. She is too divisive and there are many people on both sides of the political spectrum who would not vote for her simply because of her demeanor, regardless of her politics.

DIV

"My every move is a calculated step, to bring me closer to embrace an early death." -Tupac Shakur


TTigerAtty 63M

6/13/2006 4:58 pm

    Quoting lioness860:
    well im a liberal...and hell i am blond so the confusion continues...how r u??
    xx
    L
Thanks for dropping by, Lioness! For the sake of this country, whether we be liberal, moderate, conservative, independent or whatever, we need some strong leaders running for national political office in 2006 and 2008. I'm a conservative/libertarian, and I am not completely happy with President Bush, especially with regard to his position on border control and a few other issues like our government spending. He has been consistent, however, on his approach to fighting the terrorists. I am not a Bush-basher. I just think he's our guy, warts and all, speech idiosyncracies too, and we need to support our leaders.

Sen. John Kerry is not helping the Democratic Party reach out to the vast majority of Americans who are middle-of-the-roaders. These 'flip-flops' don't help his credibility, and I am just puzzled that he cannot perceive that himself.

Sen. Hillary Clinton, at least, appears to have understand the politics of winning a national election and is willing to reach out to moderate voters. I just don't really believe her, however.

Where are the John F. Kennedys and Franklin D. Roosevelts of your party? Where are the Ronald W. Reagans and Dwight D. Eisenhowers of my party?

I'm good, but I'm catching flack from your liberal buddies! Hope you are well!


TTigerAtty 63M

6/13/2006 5:13 pm

    Quoting DIVISION77:
    I'm a moderate and I vote issue-based.

    I think Kerry was a bad choice for the Democrats last election.

    He did come off as a waffler and has done nothing subsequent to dispell that notion.

    I think the next president will be Sen. John McCain or Sen. Joe Biden.

    Either way, conservatives won't be happy.

    McCain has alot more credibility than Bush ever did, esp as it concerns war. He is the one who actually served. If he won in '00, you can be sure Iraq would not have been the disaster it is now. As it stands, he is the best choice they have and he gets the crossover vote that Bush could never get. The only reason Bush won back then was due to his affair with big business. McCain is his own man.

    Biden is a better choice than Hillary Clinton. If the Democrats put her up as their nominee, it is a sure-fire way to give the Republicans another victory. She is too divisive and there are many people on both sides of the political spectrum who would not vote for her simply because of her demeanor, regardless of her politics.

    DIV
I know what ya' mean! I can warm up to Sen. John McCain or Sen. Joe Biden more readily than some other choices we have had or may have. Kerry, Clinton, and Gore make me nervous. Biden is smarter and less divisive than Kerry, Clinton and Gore IMHO. Will Biden move to the center? McCain is in the center. He seems to be stable. Sen. George Allen of Virginia is another potential candidate. People talk Conoleeza Rice, but I don't think she has much experience. It will be interesting, as it always is!

Re. the Bush administration execution of the Iraq war. We are now 40 months into the war, but I think we have the potential for finally achieving the mission and drawing down troop strength within the next 2 years. We have had good things happen this past week. The insurgents and terrorists will now stiffen their resolve, but there is a plan afoot to put more troops into Baghdad and root them out. I heard just today that Iraq has 260,000 troops now trained. That sounded positive to me. I just hope they have the will and resolve to protect and defend their own new government.

Beyond security, I think we have a lot of work ahead to rebuild infrastructure. For this, I hope we can get some financial support from other friends of the new Iraqi government. When will they identify themselves? Now is the time to do so!

Thanks for dropping by and adding to the political discussion in a calm and very reasoned way!


rm_magnet4u22 50F
18406 posts
6/14/2006 5:56 pm

Have I ever given you flack????..... I do believe, though, Bush is making a lot of people Democrats.



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TTigerAtty 63M

6/14/2006 6:33 pm

    Quoting rm_magnet4u22:
    Have I ever given you flack????..... I do believe, though, Bush is making a lot of people Democrats.
Mag ...

Of course you have never given me flack, hon! Why did you ask that question?

I agree that our country is very politically divided right now. I suppose we will each have to ask ourselves why that is. As Americans, we'll make our assessments and vote our consciences this November in the mid-term election and then again in the November, 2008 presidential election.

Mavs or Heat?


rm_Twister2bed 48M
617 posts
6/14/2006 8:19 pm

Why would I not be surprised? He changes positions more than I change my shorts.
Boy if that waffle runs again the Dems will lose again for sure.


micahbiguns 52M

6/14/2006 8:40 pm

I am probably more consertive than anything else C considers herself a democratbot not liberal so I guess in essance we are middle of the roaders so maybe libeterans?


TTigerAtty 63M

6/15/2006 8:46 am

[blog Twister2bed] - Thanks for dropping by! I hope the Democrats can find a strong leader that is middle-of-the-road and prepared to cut his/her ties with the kooks in the extreme left! I can't imagine they would go with Al Gore or John Kerry again. It will be interesting, that's for sure!


TTigerAtty 63M

6/15/2006 8:46 am

[blog Twister2bed] - Thanks for dropping by! I hope the Democrats can find a strong leader that is middle-of-the-road and prepared to cut his/her ties with the kooks of the extreme left! I can't imagine they would go with Al Gore or John Kerry again. It will be interesting, that's for sure!


TTigerAtty 63M

6/15/2006 8:52 am

    Quoting micahbiguns:
    I am probably more consertive than anything else C considers herself a democratbot not liberal so I guess in essance we are middle of the roaders so maybe libeterans?
I find myself bouncing around a bit, depending upon the issue and depending upon the effectiveness of the messenger. I'm not a flaming, screaming extreme right conservative, but I do find myself aligning with ideas presented by many of them. I'd prefer the tag of "compassionate conservative", and I do tend to listen libertarian ideas as well. I become sick when I hear the shrill, vitriol and hate-speech of the leftist and those who always blame America first. When they start in on that, they lose my serious attention and I thank God our country has not yet drifted that far to the left!


TTigerAtty 63M

6/20/2006 3:42 pm

    Quoting sweetbabydee07:
    Ok Tiger, I'm a liberal so I'll do my best here.

    What is better? What is worse? What is simply foolish?

    Pick a course of action and stick with it, even if it later becomes apparent that it was a bad choice, based on erroneous information. You may have a change of heart but you can't say this in public in case people label you weak, and a waverer.

    Pick a course of action based on the facts you are given at the time. If it later turns out to be a bad move, say you got it wrong and plan a new strategy. Adapt constantly.

    Which behaviour suggests greater integrity and honesty?

    Are politicians never allowed to change their minds about anything? Kerry deciding that in hindsight his vote to authorise the war was wrong seems to me to be an honest and considered statement. He voted a certain way based on facts that have now been shown to be incorrect. If he had known the truth at the time he would have voted differently. What is the problem with that position?

    I like people who can admit they were wrong and change strategy. Picking a course of action and blindly following it through to the end no matter how the situation around you changes would seem to me to be the height of stupidity.

    Especially so in a combat situation such as we are talking about here. As the facts change, so must your reaction to them...
When I posted this I was a "Christian Right-Wing, Neo-Nazi Conservative", but I have now seen the light, and like Saul on the road to Damascus, I have had a sudden, dramatic and miraculous conversion to liberalism.

I think that a leader, one who ran for and will likely run again for President, one as intellectually superior as Senator John F. Kerry should have the option to change his mind on important issues just as often as he likes. Really, someone like a John Kerry should be permitted to change his mind whenever it suits him for purposes of confusing his political opponents, other nations of the world, the U.S. military, the U.S. electorate, and our sworn enemies. Just like, world heavy-weight boxing champ, Mohammed Ali, was so successful with his fast footwork, 'floating like a butterfly and stinging like a bee', so too should we permit our politicians and would-be Presidents to change their minds to keep everyone "off-guard"!

Yep, the more they change their minds and flip-flop depending upon whom they are addressing, the more honest and straightforward they seem to me. Yep, I agree with you 100%, my loveable liberal friend!


want2play926 47F

6/26/2006 12:56 pm

I do not like Kerry. All I will say so my blood pressure doesn't go up!

* sorry I have been away so long Tiger....


TTigerAtty 63M

6/27/2006 8:55 am

    Quoting want2play926:
    I do not like Kerry. All I will say so my blood pressure doesn't go up!

    * sorry I have been away so long Tiger....
W2P ... You can't be a very good Lib if you don't swoon at the feet of Senator John F. Kerry. The members of the liberal activist group 'Take Back America' absolutely love him! JFK, as we like to call him, has staked out a position to the left of even Senator Hillary R. Clinton, another Democrat darling!


LilSquirt_4mfm 68M/69F
3394 posts
7/7/2006 1:56 pm


you mean even Hillary-ous is left too? OMG

I keep seeing that wonderfull surfboard ad running through my head ... lol ...flip.....flip.....flip.....flip.......ad infinitum


TTigerAtty 63M

7/7/2006 4:00 pm

    Quoting LilSquirt_4mfm:

    you mean even Hillary-ous is left too? OMG

    I keep seeing that wonderfull surfboard ad running through my head ... lol ...flip.....flip.....flip.....flip.......ad infinitum
Hilary is straddling the political spectrum a bit. She got booed by the Liberals for not wanting to Cut and Run in Iraq. She is playing up to the other folks here in America who think we might wanna just achieve something in Iraq, especially now that we've spent about $6 billion there and lost 2,530 of our finest people. She doesn't wanna have any sound bites out there that can be used against her in 2008. Meanwhile, she has to get elected in NY this November. She doesn't have the same problem as Sen. Joe Lieberman in CT. He has supported Pres. Bush on Iraq and the Democrats will make him pay dearly for that!


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