More rants on Iraq  

AstirRelicLatah 66M
1288 posts
8/7/2006 12:55 pm

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More rants on Iraq

I just got another email from my Son serving in Iraq. He made a few comments that I think need magnification…..

His first comment is that Baghdad was probably a pretty nice city before we leveled it. I started to think about the amount of destruction we caused in that country. I then started to wonder how any Iraqi could do anything but have a very strong dislike for anything American.

Here you are, living your life….maybe not a great life, but a life….You have some basics an can run your economic and family life pretty much the way you want….Your leader is a true lunatic…If you decide to take power from him, you and your family will get seriously hurt….but, for the most part, if you keep your nose clean he and his thugs leave you alone….

Along comes 9/11 in the US….The President starts to immediately threaten your country and it’s leader because of supposed weapons of mass destruction….The President of our country threatens your leader that if he doesn’t knuckle under, he will bomb your country to oblivion. Since he doesn’t knuckle under, the American President does bomb your country to oblivion…….

So, as a result of this bombing, the sewage system is in shambles, there is little electricity, any economic opportunity is lost in a civil war and the telephone system keeps getting cut down by those pesky American trucks, Humvees and Strikers…

My son was having a conversation with an Iraqi and the Iraqi’s comment to him was “they appreciated all we were doing for them, but under Saddam they at least had running water, power, electricity, phones, etc.”

So, we have now lost more Americans in Iraq than we did in the World Trade Center….There have been over 100,000 Iraqi casualties…..We have spent over three hundred billion dollars ….And, we’ve made the destruction Sadam brought to his people look like a walk in the park.

I want to know what happened to the American’s who were the good guys….Is there anyway for us to pretend that what we’ve done and are doing over this is good for anyone?

My question for today is how can we go about regaining our moral compass….Someone needs to tell all our politicians both on the right and the left that it’s seriously lost…..No one is talking about our countries decision making processes…..I want my son to put his life on the line for something good….not, a sham.

Thanks for reading today’s rant….Let me know what you think

2daycowboywanted 46F

8/7/2006 1:17 pm

Personally - one could go on and on about this conversation. The good side, the bad side, the people hurt and the people killed, the people doing the killing and so on and so forth.

All I can really say - is each time you send an email or speak with your son be sure and let him know that he is loved.

Until later

AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/7/2006 1:37 pm:
Even though I disagree with my Son's choice of joining the Army, I always start off every email with how proud of him I am and end with how much I love him....He's a very special guy. Thanks for the reminder.

LilSquirt_4mfm 68M/69F
3394 posts
8/7/2006 1:18 pm

hi Skier:

while i wasnt absolutely positive in the beginning, im now certain that your govt's "democracies will keep us safe" theory is a deadly illusion ...... i.e. iraq, lebanon ... etc. ... like theocratic minds dont even want democracy .... if given a choice they will opt for a theocracy or failng that, a strong dictator

we must fight terror, but not by creating democracies in people that dont want it or couldnt make it work if they did want it

having a beer with Assad, and buying his favor, for example, would do more to helping israel (likely resolve problem totally in fact) than not dealing with "dictators" or trying to make syria into a democracy.

wish best for your son to stay safe.

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AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/7/2006 1:40 pm:
I'm sorry but I have to respectfully disagree about having a beer with Assad. The radicals in the middle east are after all Infidels, it's just starting with the Israelis. That's a whole different problem...Israel is fighting for it's existence...I have no idea what we're doing there. Thanks for stopping by and adding an alternate view.

papyrina 52F
21133 posts
8/7/2006 2:07 pm

i hope he comes home safetly from a War i totally disagree with

I'm a

i'm here to stay

AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/7/2006 2:32 pm:
So do I, thanks for stopping by.

VCF1962 106F

8/7/2006 2:12 pm

In effect, this makes Bush and Blair no better than Saddam. At least, as you say, he was a known quantity to his people - a lunatic, but you could rely on him to be crazy. These two clowns just went on in there and made a mess of everything, just as they did with Afghanistan. The opium output now, is apparently six times what it used to be under the Taliban because there are very few other sources of income.

Why do the West insist on interfering where they make more of a mess than they can ever possibly hope to clear up ? These folks are fanatics and it's all well and good to say let's kill them but all they have done is make the world a more insecure place to live and fucked up millions of peoples lives in the process.

All this cause he demanded a recount in his brothers county ! Strange huh ?

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AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/7/2006 2:33 pm:
If you read Chomsky, that's exactly his point about Bush et al. As far as opium, you should read my rant on drugs in the post before this...The first appointed President in the US has managed to ruin our world standing and continues to do so.

Thanks for stopping by.

LilSquirt_4mfm 68M/69F
3394 posts
8/7/2006 2:17 pm

actually i was agreeing on iraq ... alternative view???? .. .guess i didnt say it clear.

omg, im one of the ONLY bloggers, maybe the only one really telling what it is and passionately stating what terrorism really is .....following terrorism as the most critical item on our plates!!! ever, ....... and LOTS on israel too, and how it needs help in every way. (so much so im always in shit with our so many antisemite bloggers and anti terror-fighters)

having a beer with assad?? ..... let me explain why .... he is a rat, of course, ...but because he can be "had" is why by the highest bidder ... and because he is a Sunni and terrified of Shia in Iran (i go into lots abt that Sunni vs Shia thingy and it's significance on my blog) .... ...... which is the only reason he supports Hizbolla .... and would love our support against iran ...... which would go 70% toward keeping israel safe ... and set back Hizbollah by years ..... if we could get him to NOT support Hizbollah, whatever would be negative in that? ..... take Syria out of the play, and suddenly iran is less effective. If we wait till syria goes democratic, israel and many more will be just a footnote in history. ... buy the little rat ... now!! ....and we save so many lives ... Iran is the REAL danger, not syria, ... Syria is just their very effective and convenient puppet, because we havnt given them an alternative

.... best way (and cheapest & fastest way) to defeat any enemy , is to divide them

and yes, ive been studying and saying since 1991 1. that islamic extremists are out to kill EVERY non moslem ...... and yes, 2. Israel is fighting for its existance!!!!!! that's why we gotta do things to help

AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/7/2006 2:31 pm:
Lil - Thanks so much for clarifying. We both are absolutely on the same page. I agree, Iran is the largest problem with the Saudi's a close second or maybe they should be reversed. Hizbollah needs to be completely defeated as well as Hamas. Both of these groups have lost any legitimacy. They need to govern and not destroy. Both have the opportunity and both have passed. Thanks for stopping by and again thanks so much for staying with it to clarify. I appreciate it.

angelofmercy5 60F
17881 posts
8/7/2006 5:02 pm

Skier.....your son has chosen to put his life on the line for all of us....and I for one, am thankful for him and others like him. I'm glad that even though you disagree with his choice, you tell him that you love him and are proud of him. I don't agree with war, per se, but I also know that I don't want a war fought on our land either.

AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/8/2006 6:24 am:
Angel - On this point I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and your thoughts....However, on the point about us fighting a war in Iraq instead of here, I just see no evidence that this is true. You could make an argument that I would buy about Afghanistan and certainly in Lebanon....and those would be a long, long time from now before anything happens here. I also don't really see the difference between losing 3,000 people in Iraq and 3,000 in the World Trade Center...But, that's just me. Finally, thanks so much for being willing to disagree....I appreciate that about you.

JuicyBBW1001 56F

8/7/2006 5:35 pm

I don't keep up with world affairs much these days because quite frankly it is all depressing too me and I have enough on my plate.
However I will say this about my political beliefs, it seems every time a Republican finds himself in office we spend more time trying to fix other countries problems. And look where it has gotten this Nation absolutely No where. Unemployment is still high in some places and inflation is also on the rise again.
I personally will vote for whomever becomes the Democratic candidate for President in the next election because at least they try to work on cleaning up their own backyards and advocating a peaceful solution to the ills of the Middle East.
As for your son please tell him all of us who have a patriotic bone in our bodies are grateful for his sacrifice and his service to us and that he and his fellow service men and women are never far from our hearts.


AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/8/2006 6:27 am:
Juicy, Thanks for your thoughts...I suspect that my Son is not serving for patriotic purposes, but for his own personal growth trip...That is also what I see in many other young men and women we know who have signed up. Having said, that I'm sure he would like to know that others are appreciative and will pass it on to him.

rm_shannee2006 53F
3355 posts
8/7/2006 6:05 pm

Skier it must be hard for you to so clearly disagree with the war your son is fighting in and to be so embarrassed by the government's actions. I'm sorry. I to wish your son safety and the comfort he needs to keep his emotional self intact in a totally unsafe situation. My heart goes out to you...

As for the government. Again, I have nothing nice to say. I never write any political blogs because I can't be even remotely as nice as you have been here. This is one of the times when I struggle very hard to see the humanity and divinity in a group of people and so if I can't find any compassion, I try to keep my mouth shut. *irritated sigh...*

Yup...this juiciness is from me....


AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/8/2006 10:19 am:
Yea, you're right, I'm frustrated about this. My real frustration is there is nothing I can do to keep him safe. thanks for your support.

catkit13 68F

8/7/2006 8:52 pm

my thoughts go out to your son and your family - i hope that the various wars we're in, compliments of shrub, end soon and that the un finally gets some teeth and can accomplish something good for a change! we can't be the world's policemen . . . i'm not an isolationist, but sometimes i don't think that's such a bad thing. not a very hippie-chick thing to think, huh?

AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/8/2006 10:20 am:
Actually, all the hippies I know are isolationists. They would just like to be left alone to do their own thing...We might want to think about that as natural policy. Thanks for your thoughts.

rm_aWench4U 63M/62F
741 posts
8/8/2006 7:30 pm


I can so relate your concern for your son, as well as your opposition to this total waste of resources--both human and financial. My older son just completed a five year tour in the Navy as a hospital corpsman. He was on two cruises to the middle east and I chewed my nails to the nubbins until he was home safe again.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't understand reasons we're even in the mid-east. I'm with Juicy there--the news is just too depressing to stay current. I never understood why we got involved in Vietnam, and to me, this is the same thing, forty years later and few thousand miles to the west. Why do we feel it is our responsibilty to police the world?

Anyway, know that many are praying for your son and all the rest to come home safely and soon. Send my love too, the next time you "talk" to him, and tell him I appreciate what he's doing.


Remember the past but do not dwell there.
Face the future where all our hopes stand.


AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/9/2006 4:19 am:
Angel, Thanks so much for your kind thoughts. Everytime I talk with him I let him know the entire world who hears of him sends safe thoughts his way. If it's possible, this war is even worse than Vietnam. We need our military resources for other missions and we just don't have them....Also, the cost mainly the people cost is just too high.

wickedeasy 68F  
31329 posts
8/11/2006 1:53 pm

when one considers the "shock and awe" bombing in Iraq - did anyone think that the whole thing seemed like some grotesque party? America lost its moral compass years ago. now we are just bigger and stronger - the bully of the playground in a way.

i wish your son was sitting next to you, looking up at a clear night sky, safe, home.


You cannot conceive the many without the one.

AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/11/2006 2:24 pm:
Noam Chomsky at MIT has some very interesting comments on the US moral compass. You can rent his lectures from Netflix on the topic. As to my son, I wish he was next to me also, but he's on his own road of discovery. I hope he finds what he's looking for without losing himself. He's a terrific, thoughtful guy.

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