Soaring Like The Hindenburg  

MissAnnThrope 57F
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5/2/2006 1:09 am

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Soaring Like The Hindenburg

Well, it's official. This is bigger than Stephen Colbert's speech at the White House Correspondents Association Dinner. It's time for you all to rub it in the faces of those people you know who said Valerie Plame was as insignificant as a secretary when she was outed. They were wrong. They were buying a line thrown at them by the Republicans. Tonight on Hardball with Chris Matthews, David Shuster reported that Plame was indeed working undercover at the time of her outing, as they reported on Karl Rove's latest grand jury testimony. Sorry about the caps, but they're in the transcript:

EARLY IN THE CASE, ROVE ADMITTED TO INVESTIGATORS THAT HE OUTED VALERIE WILSON'S IDENTITY TO COLUMNIST ROBERT NOVAK -- NOVAK WAS THE FIRST JOURNALIST TO PUBLISH WILSON'S IDENTITY AND THE FIRST TO TALK ABOUT IT TO INVESTIGATORS.

AND LAST WEEK, KARL ROVE TESTIFIED AGAIN HE MAY HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE WILSON'S WITH TIME MAGAZINE'S MATT COOPER.

ROVE SAID HE DENIED THAT UNDER OATH FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF THE INVESTIGATION BECAUSE OF MEMORY PROBLEMS. A CASE OF BAD MEMORY IS SCOOTER LIBBY'S DEFENSE.

BUT IN REGARDS TO KARL ROVE, LAWYERS IN THE CASE SAY PROSECUTOR FITZGERALD IS STILL TROUBLED BY THE TIMING OF ROVE'S ROLLING DISCLOSURES: IT SEEMS THAT ROVE'S MEMORY PERKS UP WITH EVERY NEW INDICATION SOMEONE ELSE WILL EXPOSE HIM. WHEN ROVE FINALLY BEGAN TO UPDATE HIS TESTIMONY IN OCTOBER 2004... IT WAS JUST DAYS AFTER COOPER WAS FIRST HELD IN CONTEMPT FOR REFUSING TO DISCLOSE CONFIDENTIAL SOURCES. AND ROVE DID NOT GIVE COOPER A CLEAR WAIVER TO TESTIFY UNTIL AFTER COOPER'S APPEALS HAD BEEN EXHAUSTED 9 MONTHS LATER.

IN ANY CASE, AS PROSECUTOR PATRICK FITZGERALD CONSIDERS WHETHER TO CHARGE KARL ROVE WITH PERJURY, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, OR WORSE... MSNBC HAS LEARNED NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY THE WHITE HOUSE LEAKS.

INTELLIGENCE SOURCES SAY VALERIE WILSON WAS PART OF AN OPERATION THREE YEARS AGO TRACKING THE PROLIFERATION OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS MATERIAL INTO IRAN. AND THE SOURCES ALLEGE THAT WHEN MRS. WILSON'S COVER WAS BLOWN, THE ADMINISTRATION'S ABILITY TO TRACK IRAN'S NUCLEAR AMBITIONS WAS DAMAGED AS WELL.

THE WHITE HOUSE CONSIDERS IRAN TO BE ONE OF AMERICA'S BIGGEST THREATS.


There you have it. Because they got all pissy at Joe Wilson for saying Iraq didn't have uranium, they decided to destroy his wife's career. In doing so, they set intelligence about Iran back God only knows how far.

This is all coming as they talk about invading Iran, which they seem to be dead set on doing. This also comes in the President's second term, with his approval ratings at an all-time low. He's about to replace Herbert Hoover in history as the worst President ever.

Karl Rove is a traitor to the country and guilty of treason. Why is this man still on the federal payroll, with top level security clearance? Oh, that's right. The administration wants to prosecute journalists under espionage laws these days, for reporting anything they don't want the public to know. Will Gitmo hold everyone, or will they build a gulag in Montana? Let's reward government officials who put national security in jeopardy, but let's prosecute the reporters who call them on it.

Why is hasn't this administration been fired by the American people?


EroticaXTC 51F

5/2/2006 11:00 am

If You can help me figure out how to fire it, I'll do it!!! If I could just figure out what it takes to make the government understand that the PEOPLE of this country aren't blind, deaf, and dumb idiots, then we might be able to have a little hope...But no, we're stuck with the blind, deaf, and dumb leading the country.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/3/2006 1:53 am:
We all write to our Congressmen, asking for investigations and impeachment. We put pressure on Congress, they can put pressure on the White House. Midterm elections are coming up. You can make yourself heard there too. The Democrats don't need that many seats to take over the Senate this time around. Vote out anyone who still supports our current regime. It means they have no mind or will of their own. Especially if you're in a red state where the incumbent is up for reelection this time around, write and let them know what they have to do for your vote. The House and the Senate both have websites where you can find out who your Congressmen are, if you don't know and how to contact them.

rm_1hotwahine 64F
21091 posts
5/2/2006 11:11 am

Throughout my life, I've experienced a number of federal administrations that have made me uncomfortable, disgruntled, unhappy with direction or vaguely worried about where we are headed. But our current situation is new territory for me.

I'm truly frightened.

And it's not just regarding this admin - the clock WILL run out on it. It's about what's next. The big business (ultra conservative, fiscally) arm of the Republican party is smart enough to realize that by having their candidates support the ban of non-traditional marriage, be against anything that is within miles of black and white fundamentalist ideas regarding conception or creation, that they will have a virtual lock on that vote.

My fear comes from a jaded perspective of whether it's even possible to wade through the apathy of all of the rest of us, in order to counter-balance that vote.

Yeah, I'm still [blog 1hotwahine]


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/3/2006 1:59 am:
You know, I have spent the past few years thinking to myself, "I never thought I'd have preferred to hear President Quayle." Dubya makes Nixon look like a great president. And in comparison, Nixon was. He at least made good on campaign promises to withdraw from Vietnam and to do something about the environment. He also wasn't trying to bring on the End Times, as Quakers don't fall for that crap.

I'm frightened too. With black box voting, there is no chance for the Democrats in key states. Election officials in Ohio admitted the 2004 election was fixed there, no one seems to care. They signed sworn statements too! Diebold now owns the elections in several states, so whomever they want to see win will win.

I feel that if you're only voting based on women's rights to their own bodies and same sex marriage, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Religious issues and they are religious issues, should NOT be part of any campaign.

I agree on the apathy, I can't believe how many people still don't care. Politics bore them. WTF? They all need some sense smacked into them.

cuteNEway 42F

5/2/2006 3:42 pm

I swear this is the downfall of the American Empire. All because of some dimwit's megalomania.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/3/2006 2:02 am:
America was never meant to be an empire. It was meant to be and is a republic. No, this is far deeper than this country becoming a banana republic thanks to the current administration's policies. This is the man in charge telling people God speaks through him, (which he actually did tell a group of Amish people when he was on the campaign trail,) this is a man trying to bring on the final battle in Revelation.

rm_teddybare426 60M
487 posts
5/2/2006 7:35 pm

Okay,I agree fire'em.

Who you gonna get to replace them?

I don't see anyone worth voting for[I've never really voted for someone, always been the lesser of two evils and that didn't work last time] Dumb and dumber or more accurately, Liar and bigger liar.

I sometimes think the biggest problem is not the elected officals, but the next level down, the "staffs", the people in the background that have a lot of power[by who they know and how things work] These people aren't changed with the administration. Add all the "special interests" and..........

I am now depressed.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/3/2006 2:06 am:
Well, not McCain, as the man is showing his true colors anymore. He's as far right as the rest of them. How about we replace them with someone who is a complete Washington outsider? Someone with no experience in politics, but full of common sense. Someone who didn't go to Yale. Someone who wasn't in the Skull and Bones society. Do you realize, we haven't had a president who wasn't a Yalie since Reagan? Even Gore and Kerry were Yalies. I'm starting to think the Skull and Bones society owns the country.

DIVISION77 41M
8337 posts
5/2/2006 8:37 pm

The revelation that Karl Rove is a snitch does not suprise me in the least....

I expect nothing less from the Bush administration.

DIV

"My every move is a calculated step, to bring me closer to embrace an early death." -Tupac Shakur


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/3/2006 2:10 am:
We all knew from the moment Valerie Plame's name hit the press that Rove was behind it. So why does this man still have top level security clearance, when Bush said anyone who did anything like this would be fired? I explained in Merry Fitzmas why Rove needs to be fired and prosecuted on the spot.

RevJoseyWales 70M/67F
14393 posts
5/2/2006 8:47 pm

I've been asking the same thing myself for quite some time. Although when I do it, I'm accused of sowing discord and being a hate monger. But you ARE so much cuter than me. Why hasn't this administration been fired? Because the American people have their heads firmly buried in the sand. They've lost their balls Ann, pure and simple. They're afraid, afraid of everything, and willing to be collectively sodomized in return for "safety". I fear for the future of our nation. Maybe some day................Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/3/2006 2:14 am:
Oh, trust me. I'm accused of being a hate monger and a terrorist lover and all of that myself. And I live in a blue state!

It's not just that the American people have their heads in the sand. The Democrats need to grow a set of balls and stop with all the PC crap. Stop being afraid of offending people. Say what needs to be said. The RNC might be shooting itself in the foot though. As November draws nearer and they have seats to lose, they're telling the Republican Congressmen to back the President all the way and stop distancing themselves. Anyone who takes that advice is going to risk his or her seat. Depending on the poll you listen to, Bush's approval rating is as low as 32%. That means even Republicans are turning on him and his policies.

rm_Kissmystuff 62F
1435 posts
5/2/2006 11:54 pm

Miss Ann...

I'm going to direct you to a couple of posts on my blog..having to do with government misdeeds:
How To Control People
What The Fuck Is Wrong With These People
One of them speaks directly to your question in your post.
Please..read them at your leisure.

At this point in my life..I find I don't have the health to really rebel and rabble rouse the way I once did. All this shit upsets me no end.

The Freedom of Information Act..freed up a lot of documents that exposed the government regarding a lot of the underhanded and criminal things it is doing and has done in the past. Including experimentation on its own citizens..chemical spills that have killed thousands..which have been covered up..and much more than we can imagine. Even though this current administration is beginning to reclassify a lot of things..there's still so much more out there..that just boggles the mind.

Over the years..I've researched quite a bit..and will be posting as time..and frame of mind allows.

Just keep one thing in mind. It's not the really the "idiots" running the country...they have their puppet masters.

I just read something on one of the blogs..may have been here..where the question was asked.."where would the government put all the dissenters?" Well..they've already got those places built and ready.

Kiss

Kiss


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/3/2006 2:36 am:
I will read your posts.

At the moment, they're putting dissenters who will be missed on the no-fly watch list. The one author of "Bush's Brain" was put on the list after writing that and on his blog at Huffington Post, he did a story on what he has to go through to get on a plane. Three hours of security clearance at the airport, even for domestic flights. I'm betting that's going to happen to Stephen Colbert after what he did this weekend.

Did you see the NY Times article on how Bush now wants to prosecute journalists based on some obscure 1917 espionage law? Basically, if that law had been used, the journalists who reported that Valerie Plame was a spy would have been investigated and prosecuted, not anyone in the administration for leaking that information. They also want to get rid of liberal bloggers too.

It's scary to have a president who thinks he's God.

MissAnnThrope replies on 5/3/2006 5:38 am:
D'oh! I forgot to mention this, in reference to mind control:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

rm_teddybare426 60M
487 posts
5/3/2006 9:15 am

MissAnn

I didn't know Yale was responsable.

Do you really think an outsider with no experience but full of common sense could be elected? I think it'd be great, I just do not see it as a possibility. Remember it's less to do with issues, and more a poplarity contest.

Even if it did happen, you'd still have all those in Washington whose job is to make the other side look bad. I think a "R" or "D" is interchangable on this.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/3/2006 4:46 pm:
Well, I doubt someone who has no government experience could get elected. But this might be my northeastern liberal attitude, but I don't think Governor of Texas qualifies a person either, as Texas is one of those states that's like another country altogether.

I say Yale owns the country because they've basically owned the elections since Bush Sr.

RevJoseyWales 70M/67F
14393 posts
5/3/2006 3:36 pm

I KNEW there was good reasons why I love ya so! I'm not much for organized religion, but for the election I will have my rosary, bible, cross, everydamn symbol from every religion I know. There IS a chance we can put a stop to the worst excesses of this regime. Just remember folks, impeachment will give us DICK FUCKING CHENEY as President. Not a good thing. If we get him, then we win Bill Frist! OMFG. A duck as president! He quacks doesn't he? My biggest fear is that the damned Democrats will squander this opportunity, like they've screwed up for the last 6 years. Will you run? Be a lot better than any of our current options. Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/3/2006 4:54 pm:
Ah, a hunting accident can be arranged for Cheney if the RNC is unhappy. Besides, he would be part of the purge too. Has Fitzgerald questioned him again? After the last Grand Jury, the new one was supposed to continue the investigation into what Rove and Cheney knew, did or leaked. My prediction is, Rove will be indicted next, then Cheney. If the VP resigns, we know the job doesn't go straight to Speaker of the House, or Senate Majority Leader. If that was the case, Gerald Ford never would have gotten the job. I'm old enough to remember watching Nixon name Ford at that press conference and then Ford name Rockefeller. Frist doesn't have a prayer of being president. At least, I hope not.

DIVISION77 41M
8337 posts
5/3/2006 3:58 pm

^Regarding Rove, I understand and agree completely, Ann.

You know, however, that it will never happen.

Remember, Bush has changed his title from the "Uniter" to the "Decider".

He has the final word (or at least that's what his handlers tell him to say).

DIV

"My every move is a calculated step, to bring me closer to embrace an early death." -Tupac Shakur


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/3/2006 4:55 pm:
Actually, Bush doesn't have the final word if the Grand Jury indicts Rove. He will have no choice but to resign.

EroticaXTC 51F

5/3/2006 4:40 pm

I've been voting and involving myself in letter writing campaigns all along...I feel more frustrated than anything else because of the "pace" that brings about any kind of reform. It always seems that something "drastic" has to occur before the pendulum truly swings the balance...and I think that's the shame of it all.

But that's why I love this blog, because you are always well informed and you bring clarity to the rest of us.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/4/2006 3:14 pm:
Yes and with the Republicans controlling the House and the Senate, they look like traitors to their own party if they do anything. Even McCain who everyone thought was a moderate thanks to certain stands of his has come out and said he is a conservative Republican and supports the President in his darkest hours. However, as Dubya's poll ratings continue to slip, they're going to have to do something if they want to be reelected.

flagg134 37M
1582 posts
5/3/2006 7:02 pm

Ahhh Missann I bet you got flagged for writing this and I am to for commenting. Rove is a traitorous scumbag and deserves to face immediate prosecution. The entire administration is crooked and the president Bush he is an imbecile a little puppet who bends to their will. Besides he doesn't even deserve to be president after that nonsense in florida and then the black box voting in Ohio.

This country is going to the shitter its like we went back to the days of the inquisition. If you don't agree with the christian majority then you are labeled. Instead of being called heretics we are called Ultra-Liberals and hatemongers. I live in a blue state and I rarely voice my opinions because the bush followers respond like brainwashed zealots there is no arguing with idiots though I suppose.

Thanks for posting this missann keep up the good fight

RF


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/4/2006 3:21 pm:
Oh, even this site flagged me the first time I posted it. I had to hit the back button and do a pretend edit to make it appear. It was pulled.

Rove is a traitor to his country and his party. They fried Nixon's ass for less.

It isn't even the right-wing Christians are the majority. They just helped to get the votes, as the big issues were gay marriage and abortion. Did you know states are actually passing laws that say a pharamcy has to fill a woman's prescription for birth control? Christian groups have been paying for good Christians to go to pharmacy school and then refuse to fill scripts for the pill and for Plan B. They tell women the pill causes cancer and they refuse to do it.

I find it incredibly disturbing that in the NYC tri-state area, people are falling for this right wing crap. We're supposed to be northeastern liberals, dammit! "Oh, but I woke up after 9/11. And if you criticize the administration, you're opening us up for another attack." Yeah, right. As an attack of that magnitude takes years to plan, that means all you right wingers who thought a blow-job in the oval office was treason caused the 9/11 attacks. Idiots.

OboesHonedIambs 63F

5/3/2006 7:38 pm

I'd love to see Bush impeached. While its not nice, I've sincerely wished that his cabinet endures a series of unfortunate events that humiliate them publically and privately so that their friends, families and acquaintances shun them to the end of their lives - and I wish on the a long, healthy life so that they have a long time to live with their shunning. Prison would be a good start, but definitely social isolation to the point they couldn't even volunteer to be a school crossing guard because they're so damn corrupt.

Instant Human -- Just Add Coffee


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/4/2006 3:25 pm:
I have to agree with you. Everyone is disgruntled. Look at how Brown has been making the interview rounds, talking about how his hands were tied during Katrina. Retired Generals including Colin Powell are criticizing the handling of Iraq. It's all crashing down.

But they will never be shunned. Even if Babs and Jenna disown their father, even if Mary Cheney stops being a self-loathing lesbian, even if Karl Rove is caught being butt-fucked by Jeff Gannon, there will always be people who want to touch fame and infamy.

RevJoseyWales 70M/67F
14393 posts
5/3/2006 7:42 pm

Mea culpa Ann. you're right. They've got me so scared that I can't even remember my order of succession. I too should remmber the Nixon days, but somehow they are foggy? Thanks for such a great blog. Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/4/2006 3:29 pm:
OK, let me refresh your memory. Nixon goes down in history as a bad president for a number of reasons. His VP, Spiro Agnew was crooked as a dog's hind legs and went to prison for income tax evasion. Nixon himself ordered someone to spy on the McGovern campaign. He also had his secretary erase tapes of damning conversations. However, it was during his adminstration that we pulled out of Vietnam, which was one of his campaign promises, the Clean Air Act was passed and signed by him, the EPA was born... From a hippie standpoint, he was a decent president. Well, except for how he refused to ease up on marijuana laws.

OboesHonedIambs 63F

5/4/2006 6:29 pm

Uh... MissAnn, I think it was Andrew Johnson, not Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson.

Instant Human -- Just Add Coffee


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/4/2006 7:39 pm:
Ooops. You're right. And the worst part is, I had the page open about who's been impeach. It was indeed Johnson, not Jackson. Talk about a mental malfunction.

flagg134 37M
1582 posts
5/4/2006 9:42 pm

That figures even the site is against freedom of expression I guess they could do without the watchful eye over them.

I knew about them going after the day after piil but, I wasn't aware of the changes in state laws but I just did the research thanks to you. It doesn't surprise me at all though that Christian Conservatives sending doctors to school just to get birth control prescriptions turned down. I say hey if they want to stop abortions and birth control they can take the money out of their pocket and pay for the unwanted children instead off of leeching everyones tax dollars.

Well mostly people are against it the bush administration but the few that aren't seem to be the most vocal. Of course to them bush is a strong leader capable of making decisions about national security the bumbling fool is threatening war on Iran as if we weren't stretched out enough. As Div said though Bush is the decider.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 12:49 pm:
You need to look up the Christian Pharmacists Fellowship International. They feel they have the right not to give women the pill or emergency contraception, as they believe life begins at conception. That means, they would be giving a patient drugs that would harm. In which case, they shouldn't even be prescribing anti-biotics. They kill bacteria and in many women, cause yeast infections, as they kill all bacteria, not just the bacteria growing unchecked. Therefore, anti-biotics can harm a patient, by causing another infection.

I absolutely agree that the people who protest birth control and abortion should be forced to support the children they save. Hell, look at South Dakota. An almost total abortion ban. Not even in cases of and incest. The only ones allowed will be when the mother's life is in danger. Which is going to make the state the leader in late term abortions. Not to mention, women who can't afford to cross state lines for an abortion are going to find doctors who claim their lives are in danger. This of course, is to test the Supreme Court, to see if the new apointees are as conservative as Bush promised. I have a feeling the and incest thing is going to have the Supreme Court shoot this down. At least, I hope so.

blueguy1051 61M

5/8/2006 7:42 pm

What currently scares the neocons is the possibility of losing one or both houses this fall. If that occurs, then investigations open up. Expect to see more of the Politics of Fear, including the possibility of a new war, in order to scare the voters into keeping the current regime in power.

Iran is a straw man. Immigration is a straw man. All of the crap they're talking about is aimed at diverting attention from their failures.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 12:59 pm:
Yep. That's one of Libby Dole's talking points. More investigations. So keep the Republicans in power.

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