A Modern Translation...  

LoyaltyandHonor 36M/32F
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4/27/2005 3:39 pm

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A Modern Translation...

Prowess: To seek excellence in all endeavors expected of a knight, martial and otherwise, seeking strength to be used in the service of justice, rather than in personal aggrandizement.

Justice: Seek always the path of 'right', unencumbered by bias or personal interest. Recognize that the sword of justice can be a terrible thing, so it must be tempered by humanity and mercy. If the 'right' you see rings agrees with others, and you seek it out without bending to the temptation for expediency, then you will earn renown beyond measure.

Loyalty: Be known for unwavering commitment to the people and ideals you choose to live by. There are many places where compromise is expected; loyalty is not amongst them.

Defense: The ideal knight was sworn by oath to defend his liege lord and those who depended upon him. Seek always to defend your nation, your family, and those to whom you believe worthy of loyalty.

Courage: Being a knight often means choosing the more difficult path, the personally expensive one. Be prepared to make personal sacrifices in service of the precepts and people you value. At the same time, a knight should seek wisdom to see that stupidity and courage are cousins. Courage also means taking the side of truth in all matters, rather than seeking the expedient lie. Seek the truth whenever possible, but remember to temper justice with mercy, or the pure truth can bring grief.

Faith: A knight must have faith in his beliefs, for faith roots him and gives hope against the despair that human failings create.

Humility: Value first the contributions of others; do not boast of your own accomplishments, let others do this for you. Tell the deeds of others before your own, according them the renown rightfully earned through virtuous deeds. In this way the office of knighthood is well done and glorified, helping not only the gentle spoken of but also all who call themselves knights.

Largesse: Be generous in so far as your resources allow; largesse used in this way counters gluttony. It also makes the path of mercy easier to discern when a difficult decision of justice is required.

Nobility: Seek great stature of character by holding to the virtues and duties of a knight, realizing that though the ideals cannot be reached, the quality of striving towards them ennobles the spirit, growing the character from dust towards the heavens. Nobility also has the tendency to influence others, offering a compelling example of what can be done in the service of rightness.

Franchise: Seek to emulate everything I have spoken of as sincerely as possible, not for the reason of personal gain but because it is right. Do not restrict your exploration to a small world, but seek to infuse every aspect of your life with these qualities. Should you succeed in even a tiny measure then you will be well remembered for your quality and virtue.

rm_simonshy 45M
12 posts
5/16/2005 3:58 pm

El Cid was from a minor noble family and initially little more than a bandit, he fought for both his own king, then swapped sides and fought for a Moorish lord before finally swapping back to help the Spaniards to final victory, hardly what you'd call loyal.

Without wanting to sound disrespectful Mysticwriter you have the typical American idea of Knights, this is no fault of your own, it's the fault of the American film industry and it's blatant disregard of Historical truth. It's the same attitude towards Knighthood as European children have until they attend high school and study history, then they find out how ignoble, brutal and barbaric their ancestors truly were.

LoyaltyandHonor 36M/32F
1241 posts
4/30/2005 7:58 am

That is not accurate. El Cid was the man who gave the code it's real meaning and he is a real life fairy tale. As I said... there were loyal men to the code and unloyal men to the code.

Out of the thousands of knights that once existed, only 5 to 10 are historically remembered as being a "true" knight.

LoyaltyandHonor 36M/32F
1241 posts
4/30/2005 7:47 am

You are correct Heather!

This translation was done by a friend and given to me, it was not done by myself, but I was just used as a reference. We work on a lot of things together and thus he always hands them over to me completely when we finish them.

A true knight always follows his heart... I can personally say that I am a alien and your analogy is dead accurate heather. Guy's like me are no longer desired or wanted in general bu society or by women.

rm_simonshy 45M
12 posts
4/30/2005 6:02 am

Back in those days, there was a code of Knighthood..

But that's it all it was "a code", the times were barbaric and brutal and most knights were just thugs in armour, if you truly believe that these men were "paragons of virtue" you've read to much fiction and watched too many cheesey movies, try reading some true historical accounts of medieval warfare, it was all , pillaging, torture and murder.. not so very different to today.

wyvernrose 39F  
3962 posts
4/30/2005 5:17 am

you left out charity....

actually you left out alot of things


HeatherCat 38F
15 posts
4/28/2005 12:20 pm

I wonder if it was easier in medieval times for knights to follow their beliefs and vows than it is for modern people to do the same. Many of the virtues and qualities knights adhere to have become laughable and "ridiculous" in today's world. Is it possible to live a knight's code in this day and age? People laugh at orthodox religions for being unmoving and "stuck in the past". Would a knight be seen in the same way? Could he survive in this world? What would current society do to his soul? The answer is probably that a true knight would not falter in his beliefs or question his path as long as he knew in his heart that it was right. But he would find himself walking that path alone in this "advanced" age. Very sad. Heartbreaking.

nightstogether 57M

4/28/2005 5:48 am

Pretty much the thoughts behind the Freemasons, although the defence of nation would be turned through to the defence of nation by peaceful means perhaps.

private-intellectual (.de)

LoyaltyandHonor 36M/32F
1241 posts
4/27/2005 3:41 pm

Just so it is known, when it is talking about defense and your lord and nation... That nation does not mean the nation you live in at the present time. A knight should always follow thier heart at all times especially in a time of war.

If you are torn between two sides then rightfully you can take no action at all and not loose your honor. You must however, always defend your wife and children as well as other family.

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