Of Heaven and Hell and Buddhism -- Finished  

DustyWidget 61M
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6/15/2006 2:26 pm

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Of Heaven and Hell and Buddhism -- Finished

We know what we were taught about the concept of Heaven and Hell and we have all read (what do you mean you haven't?) Milton's Paradise Lost and Paradise Regained and Dante's Inferno is quoted by us constantly (?) but what actually do we believe? Or more accurately what do I believe?

Well in the olden times there was a definite burn in Hell if you were bad and this was the time when the Angel of the Abyss came to the fore , when the Man in Black, Lucifer, the Devil became the symbol of evil that he is today but is he? As I have explored previously I don’t believe he is inimical, I believe his purpose is vital if the human race is to fulfil the purpose for which we were created namely to stand before God, look him in the eye and party as friends. Can’t do that if you’re hiding in the undergrowth in fig leaves can you?

So why Mankind when God had perfectly good Angels etc to do His bidding? See the flaw immediately? Angels do things because that is the way they are made. They do not think; they just do. How satisfying is that? So how much more satisfying would a sentient Mankind be if they grew to be friends with God by free will?

So having established that there is a necessary separation of Heaven and Hell and God and Uriel (possibly) what is the function of the ‘places’?

Well I believe Heaven is funky town where everything good happens. If you want to be a Viking and pillage a town then you can but nobody gets hurt or everybody goes and becomes Maria and sing The Hills are Alive with the Sound of Music . No that’s Hell.

But how does one get too be there in the first place? Well we can’t be talking about a Calvinist √©lite or other such exclusive 'club' as that’s just pathetic. And we can’t be talking of the self-righteous as that would be so tedious. All those bores/boors walking around telling each other and themselves how righteous they are. Urgh ‒ not in my Universe.

And that must include the fanatics who are so totally up themselves and convinced of their own righteousness that they must not only enforce their small minds on their own acolytes but export it to the world through international ‘terrorism’. Sorry about the virgins boys. Women don't like losers!

Ever get the feeling that if somebody is trying to enforce the Will of God on others then he’s not talking for God but in his own self-interest? God expects but does not require! Abraham’s offer of sacrifice was enough ‒ if God had required sacrifice in actuality then he was neither God nor worthy of worship. Obvious isn’t it? So when somebody says ‘God made me do it’ listen for the alarm bells and run for the hills or for the willing virgins. lol

And what of Buddhism you may ask? Well I’ll never be a Buddhist but nevertheless there are parts of it that I find fascinating and have a ring of truth to it. Well no religion has the absolute truth in it ‒ only a part and when you add that part to that part then the truth becomes clearer.

Why do you think Revelation reads like a load of bollocks ‒ because it was meant to look like that until the day when its meaning becomes necessary. Wouldn’t be prophecy then would it?

Anyway Buddhism is based upon the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama who was later named Buddha or ‘the enlightened one’. Having led a life of pleasure he became dissatisfied and for the remainder of his long life taught about the impermanence and suffering of human life and the way to escape such suffering.

Now in this concept life goes on and on, over and over again and how you live your life denotes how low or high you come back ‒ no we're not talking about high born or low born status or wealth and priviledge. We all play with the cards life deals us. We are talking the quality of your soul. So if your soul is ‘perfect’ or ‘perfect enough’ in this life it goes on or if it does badly then the same soul (different body) comes back lower on the wheel and does it again and again until perfection is reached.

No I don’t mean those who are in wheelchairs were bad in their last life and deserve it ‒ this was actually said by a prominent soccer manager in the UK and he meant it! Braindead WANKER! I would name him here but quite frankly stupidity like that deserve the oxygen of starvation not publicity.

Does that concept not sound rather attractive? A Christian reincarnation? Those who are so evil that they are beyond redemption ie Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, add your own ‘favourite despot’ are removed from the melting pot. Are we talking Hell here?

Those who are considered worthy are admitted into the Gates of Heaven and welcomed by one and all!

What about ME then? I may be many things to many people but I am not evil. I am also not good enough to warrant inclusion to Heaven for long enough other than to say ‘Get out and don’t come back until you get it right.’ (I’m not feeling sorry for myself just looking pragmatically at things); what happens to me?

See where Buddhism comes in? I think we come back and do it all again. Same soul different body and it may explain that why some people die young for no real reason as infant mortalities(sorry if this opens wounds ladies) they have at that point reached perfect ‘enough’ to be gathered. Remember the saying ‘Only the Good Die Young.’ Might explain it.

As I’ve said before I don’t believe the usual ‘so long as he is genuinely sorry, do come in Adolf!’ school of thought. It has to be wrong!

So what is the alternative? The above works for me. What say you my friends? Who’s throwing the first stone?

real36CgirlPA 39F

6/15/2006 7:10 pm

I think I read the most simplified translation of Dante's Inferno. I remember thinking the poets hanging out in the field didn't have it too bad...lol. My favorite take on it was in the George Bernard Shaw play where heaven was its own hell because it was so boring...heheh Now I'm going to have to dig out that book to see what the name of that was and read it again...

catseyes23 62F

6/15/2006 8:03 pm

I really do fail to see the point that you are trying to make, Dusty.

But how does one get too be there in the first place? Well we can't be talking about a Calvinist elite as that's just pathetic. And we can't be talking of the self-righteous as that would be so tedious. All those bores/boors walking around telling each other and themselves how righteous they are. Urgh - not in my Universe.

Interesting. Just who are these self righteous bores/boors that are not in your Universe?

smoothnjuicy4u 51F

6/15/2006 9:00 pm

Dusty if your question of how does one get there is sincere I have that answer. But I do not debate religion.

HBowt2 60F

6/18/2006 2:38 am

I don't have any answers for anyone but me...and I believe we travel this world many times before we finally get peace and understanding...

rm_gata11459 59F
10597 posts
6/18/2006 5:05 am

im not sure about any of it, i like the idea of achieving perfection by re-work, and i do believe that we are brought back over and over each time better than the time before.. in that case i cant imagine how bad i started out! lol.. i think in my case i have a spirituality, i dont need to agree with anyone in particular and they needn't agree with me.. and usually dont, but it is the individual belief.. not the group orgy of church and confession.. ive been on my knees doing other things since the last time i confessed my sins xoxo g

Peace xxx K

rm_madred006 46M
438 posts
6/18/2006 5:17 am

well my friend u said a mouthfull. the idea of buddism is dat it is accessible to everyone through its simplicity.its meanings and teachings take on many different levels .it is a journey to understand the simplicity of our lives and be come at ease with oneanother through our actions and thoughts.
"his young voice ranged across his subjects sayind u wud b better to play music to buffalo than talk to stupid people"

puntachueca 107M

6/18/2006 6:24 am

Agree. I'm coming at this from a little different vantage point...my mom was Jewish and my dad was Catholic...so for a while I went to parochial school and to shul...got a very confused theology out of that...then they compromised and we all became methodists for a while..I even sang in the church choir...
So I founded a church called the First Church of Generic Religion (GenRel for short)..taking the best of all religions and combining them. For $25 I'd charter a church. When I chartered my first church outside the US (in Japan) I realized I had founded another world religion...and 2000 years from now the story ought to be interesting.
The Gen Rel School of Divinity is affiliated with the General Delivery University (the world's largest degree granting institution on line).

rm_madred006 46M
438 posts
6/18/2006 1:24 pm

    Quoting DustyWidget:
    Would the stupid person get the point quicker than the person who played the wrong music to the Buffalo?
ur the one who opened the can and ull have to ask buddha dat question because it was he who said it

pillowtalk4Uonly 60F
292 posts
6/19/2006 7:41 am

For most of my life I lived in fear of "going to Hell" if I didn't follow the very strict rules my church dictated.

Now I finally realize that hell was where I was stuck in all those years when they said I couldn't have sexual freedom or enjoy any of the sensual pleasures of life.

We each create our own heaven or hell by the choices we make...

~ pillowtalk ~

ArgosPlumyKooky 46F
3902 posts
6/19/2006 9:52 pm

admiring the picture and thoughts here and thinks, well i think there are ramifications, i am not certain they come in the form of heaven and hell, i am not sure how it all plays out. it is something we all get the chance to find out. i believe in some sort of afterlife. if it is rewarding or punishing i don't know. life, however, i'm sure is a lesson.

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