ASSHOLES IN AMERICA!  

wistfuljester 64M
1259 posts
3/21/2006 7:38 am

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ASSHOLES IN AMERICA!


CAN YOU GUYS BELIEVE THIS FALSE "CHURCH"?? GRRRRR!! Jesus would NEVER condone this. Families should have the right to bury their loved ones in peace!

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.....A recent news article:

Anti-gay church says it won't violate new funeral-protest laws

By The Associated Press
03.09.06

TULSA, Okla. – A Kansas church that spreads its anti-gay message by picketing at soldiers' funerals will obey new state laws that have been passed to limit where and when such demonstrations take place, a church attorney said yesterday.

The Topeka-based Westboro Baptist Church aborted plans to demonstrate at soldiers' funerals in Oklahoma, Indiana, Missouri and Wisconsin this past week. All four states and South Dakota have new laws limiting such protests.

"We're not going to get arrested. We obey the law," said Shirley Phelps-Roper, who is also a church member. "We're waiting until all the legislatures' (sessions) are over to see what tattered shreds they've left the Constitution in."

The group may still show up on the day of soldiers' funerals in those states with new laws but will follow the restrictions on when and where it can picket, Phelps-Roper said.

The author of Oklahoma's legislation, state Sen. Mary Easley, D-Tulsa, said, "I think they know that we would have law enforcement people present, and they would be arrested or other appropriate action would be taken against them."

The group is considering mounting legal challenges to the new laws, which Phelps-Roper says have drawn attention to the church and helped it spread its anti-gay message. At least 17 states have considered legislation this year restricting protest activities around funerals.

"We're thanking them kindly," she said. "They drew a huge amount of attention to our message, and that's all we're doing is delivering a message."

The church has outraged mourning communities across the nation by showing up outside soldiers' funerals with signs that read "God Hates Fags" or "God Made IEDs," a reference to roadside bombs. The group's message is that soldiers are being struck down by God because they're fighting for a nation that tolerates homosexuality.

The Oklahoma Highway Patrol, sheriff's deputies and police kept watch March 7 over a Guymon church during the funeral of Army Spc. Joshua Michael Pearce, who was killed while fighting in Iraq. Westboro Baptist had threatened to challenge the law signed March 3 by Gov. Brad Henry.

Oklahoma's law bars protests an hour before or after a funeral service and keeps picketers at least 500 feet away from a church or cemetery where the funeral is being held. Missouri, South Dakota and Wisconsin approved similar laws, and Indiana's law makes disorderly conduct within 500 feet of a funeral a felony punishable by fines and prison time.

Phelps-Roper called the lawmakers who have passed these laws "legislative Talibans" and said the church won $170,000 in legal fees when it successfully challenged a Kansas funeral-protest law nearly a decade ago.

"We don't get up in anyone's face," Phelps-Roper said. "We deliver a message exactly as the drafters of the First Amendment intended."

About 60 of the church's 75 members travel the country to picket military funerals. A group of motorcyclists that call themselves the Patriot Guard Riders are often on hand to shield the families of dead soldiers from the protesters, and overshadow the anti-gay pickets with patriotic chants and a sea of red, white and blue flags.

LilSquirt_4mfm 67M/67F
3394 posts
3/21/2006 9:34 am

This practice of arriving at military funerals is of course despicable. Also, some anti war groups do similar.

Hard to relate to someone doing such a thing ... but good that law will help to deter it. Bless the motorcycle group!!!

So many dont know that with "freedom" comes "responsibility"

LilJessicaSQuirt


pickthisguy11 36M
79 posts
3/21/2006 9:36 am

It amazes me what people will do "in the name of god". These people have no shame. Religious people always talk about forgiveness and love and yet they are the most hateful people on the planet. Most of the killing and human suffering that has occurred over the past few thousand years has been at the hands of religion. Only when people finally realize that there is no god will the world start to become a better place.


CantonOhCouple 60M/59F
553 posts
3/21/2006 9:59 am

We've read about this group before. It's easy, in this case, to be outraged. We feel, as many others do, that its inappropriate to use the solemn occassion of a military funeral to protest -- not the war -- but to protest against gays.

Surely, the parents and family members' have a right to grieve without being molested by this hate group.

Hugs from us ...


wistfuljester 64M

3/22/2006 8:10 am

    Quoting pickthisguy11:
    It amazes me what people will do "in the name of god". These people have no shame. Religious people always talk about forgiveness and love and yet they are the most hateful people on the planet. Most of the killing and human suffering that has occurred over the past few thousand years has been at the hands of religion. Only when people finally realize that there is no god will the world start to become a better place.
pickthisguy...It is NOT true that all religious people are the most hateful on the planet--only SOME of them are. Those that TRULY follow the teachings are actually some of the best people to be found.

While it is true that some people have done some terrible things in the name of Jesus, for example, He never taught them to act like that; in fact, His message was very much one of peace, love and forgiveness. Untold millions throughout the ages HAVE taken His message to heart, and lived accordingly. For every terrible act you can find that occurred "in the name of God", you can find many MORE good, kind and loving acts!

It is also not true that "most" of the killing and human suffering has been at the hands of religion. Again, while some have used religion as an excuse, the vast majority of killing and human suffering has been caused by people flying in the face of religious teachings, because they were more interested in their own greed and personal power.

It does not follow that God does not exist, just because SOME in every age have used His name to further their evil ends. On the contrary, were it not for the true believers who have strived to live according to their faiths, this world would be in a much sorrier state than it already is.


LustyTaurus 48M  
21253 posts
3/22/2006 6:04 pm

I try real hard to respect other folks beliefs and value systems...but sheesh...some need to grab a fucking brain.

Thanks for posting that, I was unaware till now.

lustytaurus


pickthisguy11 36M
79 posts
4/17/2006 8:01 am

    Quoting wistfuljester:
    pickthisguy...It is NOT true that all religious people are the most hateful on the planet--only SOME of them are. Those that TRULY follow the teachings are actually some of the best people to be found.

    While it is true that some people have done some terrible things in the name of Jesus, for example, He never taught them to act like that; in fact, His message was very much one of peace, love and forgiveness. Untold millions throughout the ages HAVE taken His message to heart, and lived accordingly. For every terrible act you can find that occurred "in the name of God", you can find many MORE good, kind and loving acts!

    It is also not true that "most" of the killing and human suffering has been at the hands of religion. Again, while some have used religion as an excuse, the vast majority of killing and human suffering has been caused by people flying in the face of religious teachings, because they were more interested in their own greed and personal power.

    It does not follow that God does not exist, just because SOME in every age have used His name to further their evil ends. On the contrary, were it not for the true believers who have strived to live according to their faiths, this world would be in a much sorrier state than it already is.
I didn't mean to imply that god isn't real because people people use his name to further whatever agenda they may have. It is a separate issue. I say god doesn't exist only for the simple fact that he doesn't exist. If people want to believe in god, go for it, but to insist that something is real in the face of no evidence is just silly. I wish believers of god would say they think he is real, but until evidence of that shows up it is just foolish.


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