A "Witch Hunt" On Adult FriendFinder?  

wistfuljester 64M
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5/26/2006 12:45 am

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A "Witch Hunt" On Adult FriendFinder?


You know, I backed all those folks who went after the Caught By A Family Member group because of all the posts that were obvious REAL LIFE stories and/or fantasies about sex with minors. Children should NEVER be the objects of an adult's lust. Period!

Similarly, I supported that animals are innocents, too, and should be left alone; and, I agreed that any sort of true violence, or disrespect of the dead, is reprehensible.

So far, so good.

HOWEVER, there is a mob mentality among some members of this site that is growing daily. People who are pathetically eager to be noticed and approved are jumping on the band wagon, and now the mob is attacking anyone with whom it disagrees about ANY sexual practice between CONSENTING ADULTS.

For example: a particularly unintelligent busybody in Australia posted in her moderator group about another group called Dads 4 Daughters. Apparently, a man in that basically dead group had posted a couple of stories (or fantasies) about sex with his college-aged daughter (meaning she was clearly an ADULT in his stories). Mind you, we don't even know if the man even has a daughter, let alone if his stories are true.

End result? Several people fed her ego by posting their "outrage", and they all rushed off to complain to this site about it. That group and the only two threads it ever had are now deleted.

Here's another one: a man I highly respect posted in a group, about groups that have discussions about incest and sex with minors or animals, and how he loathes them. He gave links to some completely dead groups as examples.

One of the female members of the group chimed in with the following observation: "how about little girls 4, I need to daddy discipline me, shaved school girls, men and sexy babies, ...these are from just one person's posting list, and all promote fantasies about little girls. Not all of them designate "pretend" situations either."

Clearly, this woman did not examine those groups very closely, because the ones that DO have posts about "daddy/daughter" roleplay are written BY ADULTS, and FOR ADULTS. While I personally find the thought of roleplaying with a woman pretending to be a child quite distateful, at least this is ADULT ROLEPLAY. Heck, I think infantilism is pretty damned weird, too--but again, ADULTS are the ones doing it. No real children are involved.

There are NO posts in those groups that don't "designate pretend situations"; and to make this even funnier, one of the groups she mentioned is Men And Sexy Babies: the only reason the title of the group says "babies" is because the moderator of that group doesn't know how to spell the word BABES! Not only that, the group doesn't even have daddy/daughter roleplay as as theme--it's just about older men and younger WOMEN.

There are a lot of groups on this site about incest roleplaying; there's Mother Son Roleplaying, Brother Sister Roleplay, and a whole host of others--especially of the daddy/daughter variety. Now and again, there are BOUND to be members telling stories about their real-life experiences at the hands of their elders. Should we censor them, or should we perhaps allow them the therapeutic value of sharing their stories?

Whether we do or not, it seems to me that none of us should have any control over what is said about happenings between consenting adults--even if they are related to each other. So long as they leave the innocents out of it, who are we to judge?

And before anyone asks: I have neither been a victim or a perpetrator, nor have I had any fantasies about either.

papyrina 50F
21133 posts
5/26/2006 1:46 am

After doing the poll on abuse and violance,and getting 6 pages of comments ,(it was a poll i asked for no comments) i have no time even for fantasy invoving any form of child incest etc,far too people shared there tragic stories ,some were just happy to get there story out,others still unable too but still made comments,it upset me reading them and two weeks later folk are still reading it.

Our sister site ALT is possible better suited to these people than here.

While saying this i don't go hunting the groups on a witch hunt if i come across something that is possible border line ,i will report


I'm a

and
i'm here to stay


wistfuljester replies on 5/26/2006 3:20 am:
I REPEAT: I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF ANYTHING TO DO WITH CHILDREN.

What do you people do, read the first paragraph, get fatigued, and then post your knee-jerk replies??

Sheesh.

absolutelynormal 56F
6563 posts
5/26/2006 1:58 am

If you want this to go away, as you say you do then why bring it up again? Not all things ignored go away but in the case of attention seeking, if you don't give the attention it tends to go away.

I think there is a fear that even in role playing adults, that perhaps the "play" may not be enough and the players will turn to children for the "real thing."

Why a parent would desire his/her child is beyond me anyway. There are some sick people at this site. HUmans are sexual beings. There are those that would argue that children are human so they are sexual beings too. Perhaps, but a child cannot give consent.

I still say, don't feed the troll and he'll go away and try to find "food" elsewhere. Mac


wistfuljester replies on 5/26/2006 2:19 am:
I don't think it's possible for it to "go away". The spotlight is on, and the "witch hunters" are on the prowl.

I agree that you have a good point about people fearing that adult roleplay might spill into the "real thing". I would respectfully dispute, however, that the fear has any basis in fact. It could also be argued that adult roleplay provides a "safe outlet" for that urge.

Both arguments could be bullshit.

Obviously, I have made it clear that children are sacrosanct in my mind. I made NO case to the contrary, nor would I ever do so!

Why did I bring it up? Because it IS being brought up by the mob, and law-abiding citizens are in that mob's path!

wistfuljester 64M

5/26/2006 3:31 am

Think before you post, people! I've already made it ABUNDANTLY clear that I OF COURSE do not advocate anything to do with kids!!

NOR DO I APPROVE OF IT!!

If you can't see that, you obviously have not read my entire post, and there is no need for you to comment on it!!

If you have an intelligent, thoughtful reply, I would welcome it.


wistfuljester 64M

5/26/2006 7:12 pm

You know, I used to belong to quite a few of the daddy/daughter roleplaying groups. I left them for two reasons: (1) I was disturbed by people posting what sounded like real-life stories. Although I don't think the entire groups should be deleted, I do think some of the posts should be; and (2) I found I just wasn't all that interested in the subject.

I should also add that I feel profoundly sorry for anyone who has endured abuse. I found it heart-wrenching to read what some people said about their experiences.

I am very grateful that my childhood was not like that.


rm_JustAwhisper 48F
96 posts
5/26/2006 9:20 pm

I'm "Think before you post, people!" I shall return..and as you may have guessed, I do have an opinion..shocking!! just shocking!!


wistfuljester replies on 5/26/2006 11:43 pm:
I am waiting with bated breath...lol!

rm_JustAwhisper 48F
96 posts
5/27/2006 9:16 am

I'm not familiar with the group you are referring to, but I know I have commented in the magazine on several threads regarding these issues..and believe me they were not fantasizing, they were wanting to know HOW; or telling their experience with.. here's one:

"sahar81khiz actually posted
a question on here with his primary photo of an animal in
a sexual act with a female for all to see."

We are all different wistful, if you don't think it is wrong..then that is your right..(Meaning not right to post these articles, I totally understand you don't feel the act is ok) but to start with a person is unintelligent is annoying to me.. I suppose you think me unintelligent for my opinion on children being protected.. and not wanting to see people doing animals..(mainly because it scares me to think these lower than snakes are raising children of their own).. I consider you a very intelligent person, even if I don't agree with you at times..

and yes sahar's, profile is off..I, for one, do draw lines of decency, and I contend that children are hurt whether in a fantasy of a father, or actual.. Why do I say this? because generally a fantasy turns in to reality for the child.. and if anyone can honestly say it is ok to have fantasies about doing it to a little girl /boy that is yours or anyone else's.. then I say, sick, sick, sick... Lives have been destroyed by men who were suppose to be a child's protector, not their predators..My God, how do you think a child feels when the person they look up to, comes in to their bed and does things that turns all their innocence to adult thing, far too soon..they are never the same..and yes, we who have worked with these children are passionate about these heinous acts..I will go after any person that violates a child..and I feel passionately about this.. and others do..and have their right to voice their opinions..

Ok, saying all this, I do realize and understand the passion a person can feel (especially if they have been molested).. while reading something so heart wrenching..A mother with her seven year old, wanting him to masturbate her? Give me a *F---K--g* break..I say our morals are in the sewer because people look the other way, and wanting to be.. SO LIBERATED sexually, they sell their integrity to feel they are in the *LOOP*.. Well this woman will not bend on these issues..They are sick individuals who do animals..and kids.. Next they will say Hannibal was normal screwing and then eating the women..is cannibalism ok? where do we stop? Amazes me, people jamming things up their asses, men on men, getting aids..and YET... even proven how they can catch it .. they are seeking ways to be able to do it.. Unbelievable!!! Desperate little perverted brainless slugs.. role playing, fantasy,? where do you think inappropriate touching begins.. In the minds of fantasy.. that's where..

So do we censor these out.. My opinion is YES.. Your's is NO.. and evidently AdultFriendFinder is NO..when censoring, we have to be very careful..even if it is subjects we DO NOT LIKE.. We have our right not to like what they stand for.. they have their right to SCREW DOGS OR COWs..according to some *liberated sex authorities*(my I throw up here?).. but NOT A CHILD ..and I contend these people who are putting these threads on here are indeed child molesters and waving their pervertedness at us, in our faces.. because they do know they can get away with it.. I say ignore them..I haven't, but that is what needs to happen..Don't you know they are reading all this and getting their perverted kicks??? Yes indeedy they are..

You didn't like the group expressing their dislike towards these things? Well wistfuljester, give me a person any day that will stand up and express what they feel on these subject..or any other subjects, PRO OR CON..than someone who will sneak around and watch the subjects but never comment..for fear of being disliked..

So come wistfuljester, kick my ass..but I will not change my mind..Oh I think there may be a way to ban me from your blog if you wish.. the difference in me and others .. i do feel and respect your right to post what you have.. and actually admire you for standing up for what you believe..


wistfuljester replies on 5/27/2006 12:44 pm:
Once again, you misunderstand me. I am NOT saying it is right to post anything to do with minors or animals!! Let me quote my first two paragraphs AGAIN:

"You know, I backed all those folks who went after the Caught By A Family Member group because of all the posts that were obvious REAL LIFE stories and/or fantasies about sex with minors. Children should NEVER be the objects of an adult's lust. Period!

Similarly, I supported that animals are innocents, too, and should be left alone; and, I agreed that any sort of true violence, or disrespect of the dead, is reprehensible."

What about that is not clear? IN OTHER WORDS, I AGREED, AND REPORTED THOSE POSTS, TOO!! I HAVE ALSO REPEATED THIS SAME MESSAGE, OVER AND OVER, IN MY OTHER RESPONSES TO THOSE WHO HAVE REPLIED IN THIS THREAD.

What I am objecting to is a "witch hunt" against posts by and about consenting ADULTS having sex together (even if they're family members), and ADULT roleplaying. Even though I consider sex with family members and people pretending to be children in their roleplaying to be distateful, they have the right to post it.

Often, they do a good job of immersing themselves in their roles, and it becomes difficult to tell that they are only relating an adult roleplay fantasy.

MyHeartLost4U 52M
2303 posts
5/27/2006 9:49 am

Well I happen to be one of the members of the group for moderators and did read the postings in "Dads 4 Daughters" and reported those postings directly to the abuse team to be investigated by them ( It is of the Abuse Team sole decision on what actions they take or not and not the members of the site. .

In 1 of those 2 postings was an IM conversation (fictional or non fictional who knows) that was between an underage female and a man about having sex. The comments in those threads were also in regards to incest and sex with minors.

Now "Role Playing" is something totally different, I could care less if an "Adult" man and "Adult" woman wish to "Role Play" with each other as "Daddy and Daughter" or whatever floats their boats; however, there are some mentally sick minded people in this world too and some feed off the internet with crap of child molestation which in return gives them a subliminal message that child molestation is all ok when it is NOT; furthermore, some of these sick minded individuals use the internet to victimize minors sexually.

Damn right I will report any Group, Blog, Postings or whatever I may come across or my attention is brought too that implies or advocates that sex with minors is something of good when it is not to the Abuse Team of this "friendly site". I much rather not have these sick minded individuals on this site, and without members like myself and others that take the time and initiative to let the Abuse Team know about them, this site will become nothing but unmorally filthy. Before anyone makes a comment on the word "unmorally" look up the definition of morals first, it does not necessarily always pertains to just sex.

If any of you want to call me the "Policeman of the Site" go ahead, it won't be the first time or the last time someone has.

"The Controversial One"
Your1-Nick


wistfuljester replies on 5/27/2006 1:04 pm:
Nick, my interpretation of those posts was different. In the case of the man, it was a post about consenting adults, fantasy or not. However, I realize that the TOUs do not support posting about sex with family members. The site does, however, allow adult roleplaying about it. Is that contradictory and/or hypocritical? Possibly.

The "IM conversation" I also took as being an adult roleplay. I could have been wrong, but it's a fact that some people do take on the persona of a minor quite convincingly in their online roleplaying.

In any event, the site apparently decided to delete those threads, but not the group.

I am in COMPLETE agreement with you about reporting those posts that talk about actual sex with minors. I have reported them also. I ALSO find child molestation repugnant! I was just as involved as anyone else in taking that Caught With A Family group down. (Why do I have to keep saying this? Is the art of reading comprehesion lost in this modern age?)

Still, I object to people making knee-jerk assumptions, especially when taking things completely out of contest. For example: that post that listed the group Men And Sexy Babies was foolish, because as I've pointed out, it is nothing but a older men and younger WOMEN group--the moderator just happens to not know how to spell the word BABES.

MyHeartLost4U 52M
2303 posts
5/28/2006 7:31 am

Wistful,

First I want to point something out to you with your original topical post here, and there is a reason why I am going to point it out to you. So don't take it the wrong way.

One major thing you totally negated to mention is the title of the posting in the moderator group you made reference too. The title of that posting is "Would like your opinion".

You then go on to insulting and name calling the member\members in your posting here (from my interpretation of it).

You are not a stupid man Wistful; however, you like so many others (including myself at times) overlook what I refer to as topical point keywords in the sentence structure. Look at the title of the sentence of the posting you make reference to as a "witch hunt" ( "Would like your opinion" ). The keyword I see in that sentence is "opinion" and supported by "your". I do not believe anyone in that group is on any "witch hunt", and if they were, I would not be a member or associate myself with members of it.

Now in "my opinion"you totally insulted the member and moderator of the group for moderators for asking for members of her group for their "opinions" on the postings in another group in your Blog here. An intelligent person that is unsure of something or anything normally will ask others for an "opinion" or even suggestions.

Now I have given my opinion here with 2 postings. One in regards to postings of Role-playing, Incest, and Child Molestation on the site that pop up from time to time and this one in regards to this Blog posting with insult towards a member\members.

We all have our own individual opinions; sometimes they agree with other individuals, and then other times they don't. Just as I have agreed with you on many things before and now, I can disagree to just as many things too; just like I am disagreeing to what was said in this Blog topic with an insult towards a member for asking members of her group "opinions".
Nick


wistfuljester replies on 5/28/2006 1:43 pm:
I see your point, but I didn't ignore the title of the post. While it is true that the "would like your opinion" post seemed innocuous, I was familiar with the context behind it--including the history of the posts of that person and others on the subject. I also took into account the responses of those that were rushing off to hit the Request Review button.

I agree that most of the members of that group are intelligent people. In fact, a couple of them made posts that showed they were capable of distinquishing between roleplay and real life when they responded to the listing of yet another group in that thread.

I don't object to people posting their opinions, nor do I object to the judicious use of Request Review. What I object to is people not making sure they really comprehend what they are reading before they rush to action.

A perfect example is this blog post. I clearly stated that I was NOT in favor of posts about minors and animals, fantasy or not--but look at how many replies assumed that I was!

Shelly_Marie 43F

5/28/2006 1:26 pm

(i have deliberately misspelled some words to keep my post from getting denied. I also put the deliberately misspelled words in quotes.)

Most real "chïld molestars" would not hang around in an interest group where they were just pretending/role playing it with non related adults because there is not enough "min0rs" here and it would not interest them, instead..they would hang around where there are "min0rs". Most or all of the ppl who role play this are basically just role playing the dominant/submissive with younger women/older men. There might be certain cases where a "chïld molestar" or potential "chïld molestar" would try to join in, but those members should be removed from the site, unless there starts to be an overabundance of it going on, then they should remove the topics on it altogether. jim, I think they get what you're trying to say, but what they're saying is: it will attract "chïld molestars".

If a person was abusing a prescription pain killer that they were given by their doctor, would you ban the prescription pain killer altogether or would you stop the refill and send that person to therapy? personally, i would say only if there was an overabundance of abuse of it, but if its only a few cases then they should stop the refill. (not that role playing has anything to do with medicine, just a comparison.)


wistfuljester replies on 5/28/2006 2:24 pm:
Interesting points, Shelly. I suppose there could be some "borderline" or "wannabe" molesters in those groups. In fact, I have seen some posts that I thought might be from people like that, and I did find them disturbing. I think you're right, though, that most of them would be off looking for victims instead of roleplaying in groups here.

Hmm, could the thinking be that roleplaying leads to the real thing, much like the belief that marijuana leads to harder drugs? If so, I'd have to say that could only be true if a person has a sufficient predisposition in the first place. From my observations, only a tiny minority would fit that description.

Shelly_Marie 43F

5/28/2006 2:50 pm

OMG...what does predisposition mean? lmao...

(sorry, I dont have that big of a vocab) lol


wistfuljester replies on 5/28/2006 4:14 pm:
Sorry, Shelly. It means already having a liability or tendency to have a certain condition, have a certain attitude or act in a certain way.

rm_JustAwhisper 48F
96 posts
5/28/2006 5:34 pm

Respectfully disagrees with you Shelly_Marie, saying.."Most real "chïld molestars" would not hang around in an interest group where they were just pretending/role playing it with non related adults because there is not enough "min0rs" here" OH PLEASE...

Do you not realize They're heterosexual, married or formerly married, have jobs, attend church, are very personable, look clean and respectable, love kids, and represent all ethnicities and income levels AND have sex regularly with their wives or g/f. They're teachers, coaches, doctors, dentists, diplomats, psychologists, psychiatrists, bureaucrats, laborers, clergy and businessmen. Some facts for you:
10% are unknown to the child,(6% of children under six)..30 - 40 % are family friends- 60 % are family members.. these are only the reported ones.. AND you think there are only a few on here? Ha!!!

I have to laugh that people don't think role playing *the child molester/father and daughter* is harmless fun..THIS IS HOW MOLESTERS becomes friend with their victims..they entice them, and makes friends with them..

Only when an overabundance then should stop.???. In my opinion and from what I have seen, ONE is ONE too many.. I would like everyone that feels this is ok..to sit(as I have) and listen to a 13 year old girl, cry and explain how her GRANDFATHER molested her, and her brother since 7 years old..and the Grandmother begging not to lock him up as HE IS ALL ShE HAS!!!! or a six year old, being carried out by a policeman(tears running down his face) because the father tore her so bad.. and even two year old..

I would like you to explain what *real child molesters* are.. TO me, any man that truly has fantasies of molesting his daughters or other girls.. is already a molester.. all he has to do is put his fantasy in to action..that is the beginning.. The way we do the molesters in this country is disgraceful..A bank robber gets more punishment..

Oh yes, the molesters LOVE to hear that they are not doing anything wrong when they play games with their victims..

DO i sound fanatic? I AM .. and I wish other felt as strongly as I do.. IS ANYONE LISTENING? I DIDN'T THINK SO...

Thanks for opening this can of worms wistfuljester, *smile*.. I have a feeling he is sharpening his pencil..


wistfuljester 64M

5/28/2006 6:59 pm

    Quoting rm_JustAwhisper:
    Respectfully disagrees with you Shelly_Marie, saying.."Most real "chïld molestars" would not hang around in an interest group where they were just pretending/role playing it with non related adults because there is not enough "min0rs" here" OH PLEASE...

    Do you not realize They're heterosexual, married or formerly married, have jobs, attend church, are very personable, look clean and respectable, love kids, and represent all ethnicities and income levels AND have sex regularly with their wives or g/f. They're teachers, coaches, doctors, dentists, diplomats, psychologists, psychiatrists, bureaucrats, laborers, clergy and businessmen. Some facts for you:
    10% are unknown to the child,(6% of children under six)..30 - 40 % are family friends- 60 % are family members.. these are only the reported ones.. AND you think there are only a few on here? Ha!!!

    I have to laugh that people don't think role playing *the child molester/father and daughter* is harmless fun..THIS IS HOW MOLESTERS becomes friend with their victims..they entice them, and makes friends with them..

    Only when an overabundance then should stop.???. In my opinion and from what I have seen, ONE is ONE too many.. I would like everyone that feels this is ok..to sit(as I have) and listen to a 13 year old girl, cry and explain how her GRANDFATHER molested her, and her brother since 7 years old..and the Grandmother begging not to lock him up as HE IS ALL ShE HAS!!!! or a six year old, being carried out by a policeman(tears running down his face) because the father tore her so bad.. and even two year old..

    I would like you to explain what *real child molesters* are.. TO me, any man that truly has fantasies of molesting his daughters or other girls.. is already a molester.. all he has to do is put his fantasy in to action..that is the beginning.. The way we do the molesters in this country is disgraceful..A bank robber gets more punishment..

    Oh yes, the molesters LOVE to hear that they are not doing anything wrong when they play games with their victims..

    DO i sound fanatic? I AM .. and I wish other felt as strongly as I do.. IS ANYONE LISTENING? I DIDN'T THINK SO...

    Thanks for opening this can of worms wistfuljester, *smile*.. I have a feeling he is sharpening his pencil..
Whisper...thanks for your input. I have a more open mind than some people might believe, and you've given me reasons to pause and reflect.

I mentioned earlier that a couple of reasons why I left those groups was because I found some of the posts disturbing, and that I realized I just wasn't as interested in the idea as I originally thought. It now occurs to me that a big part of that is because I find child molestation to be so abhorrent. It was always a major turn-off for me when I read posts about someone pretending to be a child in his or her roleplay fantasies.

I was raised by my father and his parents in a very sheltered environment. Also, I've never had any kids of my own, but when I turn the daddy/daughter roleplay idea around in my head and think about my two teenaged stepdaughters from my prior marriage, I begin to get a glimpse of how terrible it could be. I would have done anything to protect them from such a thing!

I think I was originally attracted to those groups because of the number of younger women looking for older men in them, and at first blush the fantasy seemed like harmless fun. After all, wouldn't I just be indulging those younger women in their own fantasies? Still, I found the idea of some of them wanting to play "little girls" to be unacceptable.

Another thing I noticed is that while some of the women said that they had always fantasized about daddy/daughter encounters, others told about actual experiences when they were young. Some of them even claimed those experiences were very exciting, and they wanted to repeat them! If they were telling the truth (and some I doubted), I wondered how in the world could they feel that way?

Although I am still not prepared to accept that the majority of the members of those groups are either molestors in the making, or victims, I am willing to concede that there may be more of both than I originally thought.

As far as the molesters playing games with their victims, no one can deny that real molestation is very wrong. What goes on in those groups, however, is intended to be roleplay among consenting ADULTS.


rm_JustAwhisper 48F
96 posts
5/28/2006 9:07 pm

Ah yes, wistfuljester, I believe you have a very open mind, I believe you stand up for people's right, and your own..and you admit when you are wrong, and you are as opinionated as I am..that's why, believe it or not, I admire you..I also believe you can stand alone in your beliefs(same as , I have been the only one in a crowd that would speak up; and yet AFTER a meeting have people come up to me and say they agreed but was afraid to say.. not many people can..they like to belong to the loop..They want to be LIKED..I do too, but not at the expense of my integrity.. so when I see a person who believes differently than I, I like it when they state their thinking..1dreamlover is another one....

I would like to share with you, I was never molested in my entire life...But when I held that little girl, the one that was two.. MY HEART BROKE.. I cannot even type about it here without welling up.. Then the 13 year old.. I became involved.. after I became involved in child abuse..I found out friends had been molested by their fathers..and it ruined their lives.. especially sexually with their own husband.. it's awful.. ok enough said..

I don't think a lot of people know the significance of this.. It is like the woman in the magazine who said she fantasizes about being , and wanted her boyfriend to play the game,which he would not..Of course she did not mean * * in the true sense of the word.. and was attacked viciously..

I doubt that all members of that group truly knew the impact of what they were doing (I never went there nor read any of their posts),My experience has basically been in the magazine..Heck, I didn't even see the one in the group I belong to.. I do believe there are certain things in society that are totally off limits *for me*.. and I live by that.. I think you do also..

AND with ADULTS we cannot censor a lot of things that are against our standards because you get into a area where people will be placing their standards on others..and Bible thumpers will be censoring everything we do..and there would no longer be an AdultFriendFinders.. and believe it or not, I do not feel we have that right.. as long as it's affect/effects only ADULTS..and not children..children are so helpless, who do they have to protect them, except adults..

Thank you for allowing me to state my opinion in your blog..and so respectfully answering .. I will end my comments on this, as I'm sure some are tired of hearing me rant.. lol I do that quite well huh?


wistfuljester replies on 5/29/2006 11:54 am:
Well, everyone knows I can be a hot head. I simply don't suffer fools lightly. I would rather argue passionately with an intelligent person, than I would to insipidly agree with those who haven't even taken the time to examine their own opinions. Usually, I tend to try to shake up those people, instead...lol.

Thanks for the compliment--quite frankly, I admire you, too, for the same reasons.

Rather than thanking me for allowing you to express your opinions here, it is I who should thank you for doing so. I think you helped me to clarify my own thinking on this issue.

MyHeartLost4U 52M
2303 posts
5/28/2006 9:29 pm

wistfuljester replies on 5/28/2006 4:43 pm:
I see your point, but I didn't ignore the title of the post. While it is true that the "would like your opinion" post seemed innocuous, I was familiar with the context behind it--including the history of the posts of that person and others on the subject. I also took into account the responses of those that were rushing off to hit the Request Review button.

I agree that most of the members of that group are intelligent people. In fact, a couple of them made posts that showed they were capable of distinquishing between roleplay and real life when they responded to the listing of yet another group in that thread.

I don't object to people posting their opinions, nor do I object to the judicious use of Request Review. What I object to is people not making sure they really comprehend what they are reading before they rush to action.

A perfect example is this blog post. I clearly stated that I was NOT in favor of posts about minors and animals, fantasy or not--but look at how many replies assumed that I was!

One thing I have learned during my travels on this site is how people judge another individual based on what they read that may have been posted about another individual or individuals by another individual, and what I made reference of not included in your topic about the title is a prime example as to how others will judge a person. For "personal" reasons you chose not to add that the member that is the moderator of a group for moderators only titled their posting with the words "Would like your opinion" and lead others that read your blog posting in to believing that the character of that person is exactly to what your personal opinion is of that individual. Sorry, but I find it totally wrong to mislead anyone to judge someone or anyone without 100% of total facts presented. But once again, we have our own opinions on what is right and what is wrong.

If it were in reverse and it was you, I would be saying the same thing too. That is all I have or feel need to say about it.


Whispers Posting:

I also think a lot in the way of what Whisper had said here too, and I made reference of that way of thinking in my third paragraph in my first posting. However, there are many different degrees of "role playing" and use of words. Black men in general in the past use the phrase to call their girlfriends or wives "Ma Ma". Many "older" (40's and up) men in general fantasize about having sex with "younger women" in there 20's and to be their "Sugar Daddies".

In all sexual and romantic relationships between "Adults" there is some form of "Role Play" within it; it is the dominant and submissive factor. But when certain role playing get to being of an age factor where one individual is playing the role of a minor and the other as an adult, there is something mentally, chemically or whatever off balance in the minds of those individuals and thus are more likely to commit a sexual crime against a minor.


wistfuljester replies on 5/29/2006 12:18 pm:
I did not omit the title "would like your opinion" with any thought of misleading people's perceptions. If I thought about it all, I just didn't see it as relevant.

However, I cannot disagree that I have a dim view of that person, based upon what you like to refer to as "the paper trail", plus my own personal experiences. I imagine the feeling is mutual...lol.

Since I respect your opinion, I will concede that the effect of my post may be as you state, even though I wasn't thinking about it that way as I wrote it.

People have told me in the past that I ought to write things and review them later, instead of just posting them immediately. Perhaps I should take that advice, since it often seems that people take what I write in a way that I did not intend.

MyHeartLost4U 52M
2303 posts
5/29/2006 12:48 pm

"People have told me in the past that I ought to write things and review them later, instead of just posting them immediately. Perhaps I should take that advice, since it often seems that people take what I write in a way that I did not intend."


Well Wistful, I am not to ashame to admit I too sometimes and even many times have to pre-compose my thoughts before posting them. It can alleviate some of the tensions that can develop or transpire.

btw, if I did not have respect for you, I would not had posted in your Blog.


Shelly_Marie 43F

5/29/2006 6:26 pm

whisper, i agree that any man who has a fantasy of molesting his daughter or anyone under age is a molester and that he just hasnt acted it out yet. but you do know that all people on here are supposed to be over 18? so they would not come here looking for it at least. and I did say that anyone posting things should be removed, the overabundance that i was talking about would be the group or groups themselves being removed, otherwise the thread where it is posted should be removed. and yes, I do know what child molesters are, I was abused twice in 2 completely different situations in my childhood.


rm_JustAwhisper 48F
96 posts
6/1/2006 8:44 am

Everyone has to follow their own standards, - I'm only responsible for mine..


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