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wickedeasy 66F  
14996 posts
7/31/2006 11:18 am
Man


today i feel as though i am adrift. a bit disconnected from the world. i always feel this way the day after i have a seizure. tired, a little beaten up, slightly skewed.

the intriguing thing is that my mind is sharper right after i seize. as tho the energy release has cleared out all the muck. i see things with an acuity that is quite wonderful. i look at the same tree i looked at yesterday but the definition is cleaner, more.

i'm rereading Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning. D found it at a book sale and i snagged it from him -

Frankl survived the concentration camps and from his experiences and insights devised a form of psychotherapy - called logotherapy. a simplistic explanation of his concept is the need for man to find meaning in his existence. he quotes Nietzsche "he who has a WHY to live can bear with almost any HOW".

this tiny book (less than 150 pages)is not a book i want to read again. now, right now, in our country and with all that is happening in the world, it is a book that i must read again.

the first time i read Frankl, i cried and cried and my book club was almost too stunned to discuss the words we had just ingested. we sat, numb and voiceless until one woman dared to say that she is still afraid. that each day, she expects, waits for someone to tell her that she must go, now, somewhere. then we talked for hours, no one wanting to leave this small group who shared this profound experience. i was the only person in that group who was not Jewish.

the issue of Israel and Lebanon is one that can be understood only marginally by the people who live, have lived for generations, here in America. the immediacy of war, of being denied freedom, of being killed or killing for freedom are ideas,concepts, not a lived reality for most of us.

read this tiny book. his discussion of apathy alone is worth the time - the dimming of reality, centering on task without intent or purpose. or the ability of some to find something beautiful. something spiritual. something of meaning, something to laugh about while being force marched and beaten in 2 degree weather without shoes or food in their bellies.

he calls it the last of the human freedoms - to choose one's response, one's "way" - quoting Dostoevski "There is only one thing that I dread; not to be worthy of my sufferings"

not what we expect from life, but what life expects from us -

to live with meaning, purpose, connection

to have hope

You cannot conceive the many without the one.


rm_CuummDrop 48F
2591 posts
7/31/2006 11:57 am

Exactly, what life expects of us... why we were put here on earth what are we to find?... if anything, and when we return, wherever, what is our next journey?

Now won't last forever, so use it wisely~c


wickedeasy replies on 7/31/2006 1:21 pm:
our next journey? i have no idea CD - but i'm damned excited to find out

rm_saintlianna 45F
15466 posts
7/31/2006 12:02 pm

to live with meaning, purpose, connection

to have hope


Perfect sentiment.........thats what I have always wanted. I hope that someday I can.


wickedeasy replies on 7/31/2006 1:29 pm:
it's what i work towards -

to the journey my friend

AstirRelicLatah 64M
1993 posts
7/31/2006 12:35 pm

Frankl was an amazing man. In my mind he was more than a survivor. His book taught me about meaning and life and to live a life filled with purpose. It's too bad that many people in the Arab world today don't have the meaning in life that Frankl had. If they did, I think our whole situation would not be one of hate, but one of hope.

I'm beginning to believe that human kind's lowest common denominator is hate. It's easy to stir up and temporarily makes you feel better about yourself. We have it in this country when we think about immigrants. The Arabs have it when they think about infidels. We need leadership in the world that talks about possibility from an expansive point of view, not scarcity in the zero sum aspect that is mostly taught today....

Thanks for the thought provoking post.


wickedeasy replies on 7/31/2006 1:36 pm:
i think hating is easier than loving for many people - easier to judge than to remain open to all possibilities, easier to condemn than to try to understand

the idea of choice is what makes Frankl's book so powerful for me - that no matter what the circumstance, the issue, the suffering - the way in which you CHOOSE to deal with it defines whether or not it will have meaning

redswallow777 48M
6810 posts
7/31/2006 1:41 pm

I read this book as a young man and although I don't remember the thoughts in it very clearly anymore, I do remember being quite moved by it. Perhaps it is time to read it again.


wickedeasy replies on 7/31/2006 1:58 pm:
good

it's hard to find - try used book stores - altho for all i know amazon has it

AstirRelicLatah 64M
1993 posts
7/31/2006 2:16 pm

Your analysis is way better than mine. Thanks for the input. Youc an also get the book, new or used on Amazon for those of you who want it.


Panthiest 72M

7/31/2006 5:08 pm

What's that old Zen story....? A person running for all their worth from a ravenous tiger... comes to the edge of a cliff. Tiger or cliff....! Jumps over the cliff and grabs a protruding root. Hanging perelously, the root starts to give way. Beside the root is a blackbery vine with the biggest, juiciest blackberries on it. The person picks a blackberry and puts it in their mouth as the root breaks and they fall to eternity.....delicious!


wickedeasy replies on 8/1/2006 4:54 pm:
i love that they snagged a blackberry - thank you for this - truly

somethingelse40 74M
14676 posts
8/1/2006 4:09 am

The greatest talent of all is being able to recognize and develop talent in a penis.

Check this out: the man in the moon revisited …


wickedeasy replies on 8/1/2006 4:56 pm:
okay

i am officially taking away your big velvet pimp hat -

cut it out

rm_Vitruvius78 38M
59 posts
8/1/2006 7:42 am

Wickedeasy I am glad to here you are feeling better. Thanks for the suggestion and I'll try to get a copy soon for Frankl.

I can relate to his descritption of the human psyche in extreme conditions, and in his case the extent of which our brain's defense mechanism kicks in.

One thing I learned while serving with the Red Cross for several years is theat the human being can be extremely fragile and extremely impervious at the same time. Its an enigma that has been baffling people for ages. How a child growing in a war zone can be unmoved by it sometimes, and how a pin prick can cause fully grown men to cave in.

We are not made of glass, yet we melt away for the smallest of reasons sometimes.

It is baffling indeed.


wickedeasy replies on 8/1/2006 4:59 pm:
one of the things Frankl mentions is the aftermath - having survived such horrendous pain and fear and indignity, watched insensate as others were tortured, that something as small as a tiny flower brought him to tears

thank you -

rm_WilderOnce 57M
1 post
8/1/2006 11:31 am

I read Man's Search for Meaning in college over 25 years ago, and I still remember it to this day. The images of survival were intense.

Makes one wonder how much one could endure if tested. But hopefully it won't come to that for most of us.


wickedeasy replies on 8/1/2006 4:59 pm:
nods

i think what appeals to me is that the suffering can have true meaning - and perhaps then it can be survived

somethingelse40 74M
14676 posts
8/4/2006 2:35 am

It's always good to see a friendly face: could you make yours a little friendlier?


wickedeasy replies on 8/4/2006 6:02 am:
i can try

somethingelse40 74M
14676 posts
8/4/2006 11:41 am

Please don't disturb me while I'm beside myself.


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