Racist Bloggers Jailed  

waggypolly 72F
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10/19/2005 2:36 am

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Racist Bloggers Jailed

From the Singapore [iStraits Times 10/8/2005

The two young men who posted inflammatory racist and vicious remarks … on the Internet were given landmark jail sentences yesterday. … Both pleaded guilty to all charges . … DPP Singh … stressed that the prosecution was not trying to police and regulate the Internet, but certain basic rules had to be followed to maintain order in Singapore’s multi-ethnic society. …

The judge closed with a stern warning. “Bloggers who still have similar offending remarks are well advised to remove them immediately,” he said. “The Court will not hesitate to impose … stiffer sentences in future cases.”

Section 4 of the Sedition Act makes it an offence to, among other things, promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different races or classes of population [in Singapore. The most recent previous convictions under the Act were almost 40 years ago].

Jeanne and I think it is good to these matters being taken seriously by the courts, but we wonder how often it is possible to bring charges. We, for example, are posting this from an island in SE Asia to ‒ presumably ‒ a server in the USA (or is it?)

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MissAnnThrope 56F
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10/19/2005 8:25 am

Yes, the server is registered to this country. If you want to check any site, go to netcraft dot com and type in the name of the site. It will tell you where they are, what servers they're running, last reboot, netblock owner, IP address, etc. This site is actually hosted by a hosting company in North Carolina named Savvis, according to the nice machines at Netcraft.

Now, if something is illegal in your country however, we get into hoary international law. Can you be arrested in this country for looking at underaged girls on a server in Germany? Yep. If they're watching that company and the traffict there. However, if your ISP doesn't have this site blocked, let's face it, just about everyone has heard of it at this point, then I wouldn't worry too much.

leyndokona2 49F

10/19/2005 9:52 am

There need to be some rules about everything but who decides? I don't have any info on racist problmes but with the world getting smaller every day, things get a bit complicated sometimes. It's a big issue in Iceland now where the "internet police" is located. A famous writer in Iceland is being sued by another Icelander in the UK for something he wrote on his blog. The reason for suing in the UK is because they have strickter rules about these things. What do you think. If I do something in my own home to my neighbor, could he go to Australia to file charges against me if the penalty is worse there? Or if I do something that is legal here, could I be found guilty in another country where it would be illegal?

expatbrit49 62M

10/19/2005 10:14 am

If I as a Canadian (or other nationality) write somthing and post it to a servers in the US or say Brazil and my post upsets a Brit living in Japan, how on earth can this be controlled. Is it my fault under Canadian law, the US fault because the Server owner should know the laws of all countries that people visit come from. Or is it the Brits law or Japans where he read the offending post.

Deep questions that no doubt are going to buy some lawyers a few Rolls Royces

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AmberSolaire 42M

10/19/2005 6:17 pm

and because of this ambiguety over juristiction online they continue to get away with it.I think this is a good stance taken.Human rights law should remain subserviant to soveriegn laws and like crimes commited by foriegn nationals the laws of the country where the actual blogger resides should take precedent

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TheQuietGuy2005 54M
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10/20/2005 5:43 am

At the moment, the jurisdiction (or should that be "juris-my-dick-tion"?) issue just means you can be sued for anything just about anywhere: where you write the post, where it resides or where it is read.

Given the range of laws available in different countries, I can't help feeling your risk of being done for an offence is more about who can be bothered to take action than on what you write.

I'm not the only one who complains about the vagaries of the censors on this site but I have to admit I understand that they too are taking risks.

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