Rock'N'Soul  

rm_sakrilej 41M
200 posts
8/1/2005 5:04 am

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Rock'N'Soul

Please tell me it's not only me feeling that the music industry is for the greater part made up no longer of real music. There's a style of "music" the world calls "drum & bass" that has no drummers or bass players for fuck's sake! I grew up with a guitar in my hands, my parents met in a band together and coming from a background of poverty, it never ceases to disgust me that so much of the money made from music in this day and age is made by "artists" that can't sing, let alone play real musical instruments. An image (usually of sex), verses of rhyme, a looped beat from a drum machine, a sampled bass line, a couple of sampled top layer sound effects (often ripped off real music) maybe a couple of chords on a synthesizer (usually programmed on computer) and an expensive video clip financed by a major label is all one needs to make a number one hit and get rich off kids who nowadays don't know any better.

It sickens me, being a creator of REAL music, breaking my back to make a name in music, doing hours at a time of practice to keep my skills honed, that the industry that should belong to people like me is overrun by talentless, trendy, pretty faced parasites who flash their 'bling', show some sexy asses and lay back in their hot-tubs snorting pure cocaine, sipping champagne and laughing, while real musicians go busking on the street for a few groceries, let alone make it to a professional recording studio to share their blood, sweat and tears with the world. And in this country, bands have to play top 40 covers to get paid work, which is not at all creating or giving to the world.

I'm also saddened to go to nite-clubs (this is why I never do) hearing "ooms ooms ooms ooms deh n deh n deh n deh n" blasting from the speakers and seeing lots of beautiful young people bouncing around to it like thy're having the time of their lives. Of course beautiful young people having the time of their lives is a beautiful thing to see, I'm just gutted that it has to be destroyed by those monotonous electronic pulses drilling through my head. Dance to it?! I can hardly move, it's so painful!

This is why even if I don't particularly like some bands or styles of music, they have my respect if they have musicians playing instruments. A live drummer catches my attention every time. Being an elitist in the sense of musical skill, it takes pretty hot musicianship to excite me but even the most basic players deserve respect for the fact that they're playing it themselves and not letting electronics do the work for them. Otherwise they're just over-glorified poets and dancers who should give the music industry back to those of us that it really belongs to.

Tell me I'm not alone.

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DirtyLilSecret61 55F

8/2/2005 3:21 am

Ahhhh yes, music - the language of LUST.

Hopefully you are familiar with Queen's "A Night At The Opera" ... which they promoted as specifically having NO SYNTHESIZER. Brian May's guitar work is phenomenal (not to mention that he and his father built the 'Red Special' from a fireplace and minibike parts).

Great guitar work enthralls me but so does one who appreciates it.

Any files to share of your music? I'd enjoy hearing it sometime!

"Lil"


yesbelg 55M
118 posts
8/2/2005 3:53 am

Well as a drummer myself, spent years in musicschools, listened to the great from before, like gruppa, Belson and so on, i started to manage the drum, xylophone, vibraphone, and so on, and then the style changed into electronic synthesizer drums, just glad that lately, the real musicgroups overhere in Belgium, start to play real life again, combined with the electronic for certain effects.
But i must say, i still like the music of the sixties the most, cause it was real, regarding the instruments, voices and all the rest.
But certain music of today isn't bad also, but not them, beating sounds that just was born out of a PC sound card
So you are not alone


need_4more2 45M

8/2/2005 8:38 am

Being a classically trained pianist (I said pianist, dammit! Not Penis!) I have a hard time dealing with all of the BS in the industry as well. I have not played in a group in about 8 or so years, but worked hard as a cover band trying to make it an original for a long time, seeing exactly what it is you are stating as the "state" of music, if you want to call it that!

Most of my stuff of age is on cassette and I don't even have a cassette player to play it on much less download it, but if you want to hear something that is interesting and similar to what I was involved with, check out this at toddlarowe dot com, he was the guitarist I used to hang with and is now on his own in San Diego...very ecclectic and intersting stuff - some machines, though lot of it overdubbed live as he is a one man band at the moment.

Would be interested to hear some of your ramblings if you are so inclined - at the moment, I am currently trying to furnish a true digital studio to start playing again (have picked up the drums over the years and still have about 1/2 dozen keyboards and a piano)

Anyway, as you say - play on and dare to dream that there can be a better music world for those of us inclined.


PrincessKarma 43F
6188 posts
8/2/2005 11:23 am

I miss real music... I love rock, especially the stuff that came out of Spain and Argentina in the late 80's to late 90's. Nowadays everything sounds like it was done with a computer. Usualy is.

If a piece or song sucks performed live, it SUCKS. That's why most of these plastic pretty-baby performers (I refuse to call them "artists") use playback. One got caught on SNL not too long ago; *evil laugh* serves it right for faking on a live show!

I've always wanted to learn to play bass guitar.... *sigh*

The Big Bang was the mother of all orgasms.PrincessKarma


PrincessKarma 43F
6188 posts
8/2/2005 4:48 pm

Thanks for the comment on my blog... I'm going to do the same here if you don't mind

Any ideas on how much a left-hand bass electro-acoustic bass might cost? I'm a righty, but when I've picked instruments up they just don't feel right... until I flip them over.

The Big Bang was the mother of all orgasms.PrincessKarma


Fallic40 53M
1858 posts
8/2/2005 7:49 pm

Sakrilej, dude,

I have to both agree and reespectfully disagree with you. Music is what you choose to make of it. I have profound respect for any musicians with love for the music in their heart and in their fingers. Right now I am listening to Jack Johnson.

However, I also love acts like the Gorillaz and Kanye West who use a lot of electronic sampling as well as live instruments to create something that is sonically entertaining and at times visionary.

I have played in a band and done the top 40 covers (at weddings, even) and it really does suck. I have also got to go up on stage and play the music of my heroes such as the Clash, U2, Bob Marley, Sublime and Jeff Buckley in small clubs and, even though it was not our creation, it still rocked.

I think the pendulum has swung again in the music business. New bands like the Killers, Muse, Kaiser Chiefs, and the Veils, and established acts like Dave Matthews, Jack Johnson, U2 and even Rush are showcasing musical chops and visionary writing and performing: perhaps forced to new limits by such acts as N'Sync and Britney Spears.

Keep on playing, and keep on loving the music - all of the music - and one say it will love you back.


CaboWaboVHnut 56M
637 posts
8/3/2005 10:21 am

Come on sakrilej, stop holding back, tell us how u really feel !!!!! Just bustin' your chops man !!! I agree with u mostly, although, Fallic does make some valid points. I loved Jack Black in School of Rock. I know, not a completely true tale of rock-n-roll, but some true messages in it !!! Now, please don't get sick of, and start deleeting my stuff, but I may drive u nuts w/ VH references !!! I remember reading, after diver down came out, with it being half covers, it didn't do as well as their other stuff. Eddie addressed this issue later, he said, "I'd rather fail with my own shit, than make it doing other peoples stuff". I know it's redundant to say this to u, but I'll do it anyway: Stay true to yourself & your music, things will woek out !!! Peace !!! Cabo !!!


rm_TheHooligan2 44M
409 posts
8/3/2005 11:45 am

hey man the music industry is getting so rediculoys now. they cheasing pop tarts, gangata , and god awful Nu-metal,

all are worthless. shit the elonic shit was done to death back in the new wave era.

also let not forget the abuse of studio enhancemet like the ever so used pro tools that must studio buff are using.

you also gotta wonder why must people are buying less cd's due to the illegal downloading and switching to buying cd's from indie artist.


CaboWaboVHnut 56M
637 posts
8/4/2005 6:06 am

I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to try to get your music out alone !!! Without corporate backing, and all the crap that entails, the House seems to hold all the cards, and they don't deal many aces !!! Damn !!! That almost sounded like I knew what I was talking about !!! HEY !!! I almost forgot !!! I heard something Wed. that blew me away !!! Sammy Hagar was on the radio, talking about his plan to be able to do FREE CONCERTS !!! He said if his current business ventures [ Cabo Wabo Tequila , I'm not sure what else he mentioned, ] keep doing as well as they are now, in 2 years, he should be able to start doing FREE SHOWS !!! To me, that is a good person / spirit / artist !!! With the Stones charging $400.00 a ticket, & Cream charging $4,000.00 a ticket, [ no, that's not a goof up, FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS !!!!! ] I have to admire someone for actually working toward doing FREE shows !!! O.K., I'm leaving the podium now, the next speaker may start !!! Peace !!! Cabo !!!


overworkedloon 56M
400 posts
8/4/2005 9:22 am

I've been running sound for 25 some years now and have had the opportunity to work with the famous, the not so famous, the were famous and the never will be famous. I've heard songs written and performed by people no one will ever hear about that take your breath away and utter crap that will no doubt hit the charts at number 1. Life and music aren't even close to fair. This is a world where a DJ with a pair of Peavy SP2s can make more money than a live band with full on production. But, I'm never going to be a DJ. I love live music and I'd rather get paid less and use what little talent I have to stand behind a console and try to make someone sound (if I'm lucky) just a little better than they've sounded before than to pop in a CD and call myself great.


PrincessKarma 43F
6188 posts
8/4/2005 10:38 pm

Still no luck on anything, and have no internet connection at home until tomorrow... I'm at a cybercafe blowing my last couple of dollars on this. *SIGH*

The Big Bang was the mother of all orgasms.PrincessKarma


need_4more2 45M

8/5/2005 10:55 am

Sakrilej = seems as though we have had the same phases of musical go round - Malmsteen, Slayer, Been through Primus already, etc...cCurrently stuck on Dream Theater and Spock's Beard. We should compare collections sometime to see if there is something I/We are missing along the same lines. AnywaY - Ciao!


rimmerthecat 39M

8/9/2005 12:33 am

mate your preaching to the converted here whatever happened to a drumkit, a bass guitar, an electric guitar, three chords and an attitude


sweetthang2877 40F
534 posts
8/12/2005 1:10 pm

sakrilej, If you don't mind too much I would like, if I may, to say a few words here. On Saturday nights, I am a DJ at a not-so-local "nightclub". I feel your pain on the hip-hop genre as I am forced to play the latest grinds. I swear if I hear Over and Over or Hollaback Girl, I'm gonna do a little hollaback myself! LOL
Also,in defense of DJ's everywhere, we don't all make money doing this job. I am one of the lowest paid DJs in Cumberland County.
Take in mind now that I am a DJ on a karaoke/dance night...yeah...
I get to hear some of the best undiscovered talent this county has to offer, and some of the most tone-deaf MFs you've ever heard! But I love my job, even with those less talented singing before me. I have a great love of music, and yes I do enjoy the "real" stuff more than the synthesized (c) . I even pop out a few bass lines on my cheap 4-string now and then. But please, overworkedloon, don't stereotype DJs that way. It makes me sad...

ST


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