Jail Time For Junior  

rm_pchamp012004 55M
1324 posts
10/18/2005 3:53 pm

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Jail Time For Junior

Does anyone else think the juvenile justice system is broken?

Let's break this down:

Juvenile offenders are the weak-willed portion of young society. They lack the courage to do what is right, and easily succumb to peer pressure.

These offenders, when sent off to juvenile hall or reform school or whatever they call it in your area, quickly blend in with the delinquent population that is already there. This begins their education to go from amateur criminals to full-fledged predators.

If they get probation, their lack of will-power prevents them from successfully completing that probation. They are still in the neighborhood, and under the influence of their peers break probation at every opportunity. Probation Officers are assigned 30, 50 even 60 cases or more and can not monitor every probationer. Most have stopped trying, and the handful that do try to do a good job are overwhelmed.

What ever happened to those boot-camps that were all the rage about 10 years back. These camps tended to build a sense of accomplishment and self-worth into these kids. I had heard that they came under fire for treating the kids to harshly ... probably they have been abolished by the ACLU.

Funny thing is ... We can send out 17 yr old sons and daughters into military service and boot camp is o-kay, but we whine that boot camp is too cruel for our juvenile delinquents ... I guess we deserve the society we have brought upon ourselves.

duststormdiva 51F
6854 posts
10/18/2005 7:25 pm

As a school teacher I see how cruel these kids can be to others. Fortunately, they like me, so I don't get the attitude from them.


cajunpet 70M
1185 posts
10/18/2005 8:26 pm

Hi pchamp, The juvenile justice system is definitely broken here in Louisiana.

Too many youthful offenders are being put in the state's four juvenile prisons instead of community-based programs, which cost less to maintain.

Louisiana puts young offenders in juvenile prisons, as opposed to other facilities, at a rate 56 percent above the national average.

Many of these institutions are churning out a far more damaged juvenile than they're taking in.

While the state has made good strides improving the educational system in youth prisons, facilities such as the one in Tallulah remain excessively violent. In recent months, 25 percent of the 400 inmates there have gone to the infirmary seeking treatment for injuries that resulted from violence.

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rm_1hotwahine 63F
21091 posts
10/18/2005 10:40 pm

The boot camps still exist. But here's the thing...
If you want to look at root cause of juvenile deliquency, you can almost invariably trace it back to lack of care (nurture, basic needs, love, etc) in early yeras. I am NOT saying that juveniles should not be held accountable, but I am saying that the positive reinforcement aspect must also be part of the overall effort.

As of a few years ago, statistics were STILL showing that the pre-school Heatstart program (that us lefties created, btw) appeared to make a significant impact on future behavior of poverty level children as they reached adulthood.

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rm_pchamp012004 55M
2672 posts
10/19/2005 3:47 pm

Dusty, glad you are liked ... my mom worked with problem children in the NYC school system and came home with bruises more than once

Cajun, sorry to hear about the high rate of incarceration in your state. The last thing most kids need is prison ... though there is of course exceptions.

Wahine, the statistics I've seen on the Head Start Program showed a definite advantage during elementary school for graduates of the program, but this difference disapeared by the time the students reached High School with Head Starters and non Head Starters both dropping out at the same rate ... I will research this farther and post on it later ... I so want the left to win one

Hbgirl, it seems parents have been stripped of their parenting abilities by society. I've known parents who have been visited by the police after their kid objected to a spanking (on the butt, with an open palm) by calling 911 and reporting child abuse. I'm not saying that getting physical with your children is the answer to every problem, but sometimes it is what is needed. On the flip-side, I've seen some excellant parents raise a bad child, and I honestly believe ... some people are just born bad.

AmberSolaire 42M

10/19/2005 8:29 pm

Then you have the debate over corperal punishment.Sometimes I really think that having children should be a privelidge to be earnt and not a human right.Im with you on the boot camps too.Here the junior jails are so full that they send them back out on tags that are easily circumvented and hardly enforced.But whats the alternative? its bound to be against their rights!!!!!

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tillerbabe 55F

10/20/2005 12:53 am

We need more LOVE, HUGS and KISSES!
If that doesn't work.....send them to Bootcamphell.

rm_saintlianna 45F
15466 posts
10/20/2005 11:26 am

All the kids I know who went to juevie, they just learned how to hone their skills and become better criminals. I like the idea of a boot camp.

DefiniteTrouble 50F

10/20/2005 11:32 am

Ditto. Ditto. Ditto.

I agree with everyone...the system is broken, but many times you'll find deep-rooted problems within the child's home. My godson is the Director of Juvenile Probation in my area, and some of the stories he shares with me are heartbreaking. Sometimes these kids just need a hug...a kind word...something...anything...to get them back on track.

rm_pchamp012004 55M
2672 posts
10/20/2005 4:57 pm

amber, I agree, I am so tired of hearing about the rights of the miscreant ... I hear about victims rights also ... but usually about how they are being trampled.

tiller, I like your idea of love, hugs and kisses ... I've been a bad boy

saint, we must know the same kids ... it's only about 1800 miles, but these kids sure get around.

dt, I don't know if I could generalize about the child's home. I know parents of 4, and only one of them is a problem child. Not disagreeing that in some cases, home life leads to bad kids ... but there are a lot of stories out there about kids overcoming their circumstances and contributing to society. There was a kid from Philadelphia attending Univ of Texas at El Paso last year. His Father was on Death Row, both his brother's were in jail, and he was in college playing basketball and earning his degree. His teammates could not believe his background when they found out (from ESPN), they felt he was a normal, well adjusted kid. So why was this kid able to rise above his circumstances when others can't?

papyrina 51F
21133 posts
10/21/2005 6:51 am

my step brother was a little shit from 14 thru 18 ,stupid stuff but they all mounted up and he ended up in the british equivalent after 6 months in that he changed from the moron he was becoming into a shy polite young man,now has his own business and family and the World is going right for him,had he not gone to borstal he would have got in bigger trouble and ended up in prison .

I'm also guessing he was abused in there as he's a pretty boy but who knows really ,all that matters is he changed for the better.

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duststormdiva 51F
6854 posts
10/22/2005 2:33 pm

I try to treat each kid that passes through my classroom with respect. I love them unconditionally. Sometimes, school is the only place those kids feel love or respect.


goddessofbitches 41M/33F

10/23/2005 1:29 pm

I, for one, believe that military school does good and that every child who becomes "lost" in the world of hate, crime and violence should find there way to one. I can vouch for the system because my cousin went to military school and he cleaned up his act and is actually going to college now...something none of us thought was possible..


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rm_1hotwahine 63F
21091 posts
10/27/2005 9:17 pm

HEY! I need a new pchamp post!

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lifeisablast333 53M

11/4/2005 7:01 am

as an ex-cop, and current citizen of this great country, I do believe that the juvenile system is totally screwed up, it rules, laws, and the whole plan needs to be rethought, and a new system put into place........So Says The REDNECK

rm_FUQANDUS2 42M/43F

11/17/2005 7:27 am

We were just talking about this last night...our local news comes on at 6pm and the first 15 mintues of it was about local murders, 9 in all and more then half of them were committed by "kids"...they will not be tried by adults and they cannot have their names released to the public...for their own safety's sake...that is just b/s...they get out of their little juvy centers in a couple of years and are right back at it again...I firmly believe in "do the crime, do the time"...what a screwed up world we live in...all boils down to parenting and politics...

Alexsandra3693 59F

1/13/2006 4:04 am

Duststormdiva ... Thanks for all you do for the Kids in your classroom. I taught Art for 6 years and left because of the politics with Administration. But you are So Right about the Kids being starved for love. If they don't get the love they need at home or at school that sets them up as perfect targets for child preditors or to be lead into crime. It Really Does take a Village to raise a child the right way.

Keep-On-Spreading-The-Love ...

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