What is your opinion?  

rm_kelli4u2dew 41F
7028 posts
6/7/2006 4:04 pm

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What is your opinion?

What is your opinion?

If it was necessary for women to orgasm to conceive, the human race would be extinct.

Why do men reach orgasm so easily while it is difficult for most women? What if women came as easily as men?

From a biological standpoint, it makes sense to provide incentive to the donor in the conception game, while the receiver need only be passive. The speed with which the male reaches orgasm, and releases sperm, has a survival value in that he can impregnate a female quickly even if she is not emotionally receptive, i.e. , which from a biological perspective may be desirable if it helps to spread genes more widely.

Biologically, women’s reticence to have sex with any man she meets has a survival value, for her and for her offspring. The sperm donor should be a man who can provide for and protect her and her children. His qualities will be reflected in her children. This is the most important issue for whom a woman has sex with, not whether she receives any pleasure from the act.

If there was an intelligent designer of human life, a god if you wish, then giving pleasure to men with every act of intercourse while not providing that pleasure equally easily to women would tend to indicate that the designer was male.

If women orgasmed as easily as men, i.e. two or three pumps and she comes, every time, no issue, what would that mean to human society? What if attraction, caring, kindness, and technique weren’t involved in the female orgasm? What if any man on the street was an equally possible source of pleasure?

Welcome to the "musings" part of my blog ...


whats4dessert2 49M

6/7/2006 4:16 pm

I think I like griping Kelli better...although, if your thoughts were reality I think it'd be a lot easier for a guy to get laid lol


Choozmi 50M

6/7/2006 4:29 pm

I know you're only half-serious about this topic, so I hope I don't sound overly serious with my response.

I don't think the ease with which the (stereotypical) male achieves orgasm or the difficulty that the (stereotypical) female has with achieving orgasm reflects a "biological reality". I think it's learned behavior on the part of both sexes.

Has anyone ever done a study in which they took sets of male and female identical twins at birth and raised one twin from each sex to be orgasmic and the other to be non-orgasmic?

Hopefully not (!), but I suspect if someone were to do this they would find that nurturing plays a much bigger role in sexual development than nature does. If not, why would so many people be sexually traumatized and even debilitated by , incest, and other events in their past?

Eating something awful or disgusting rarely renders one unable to eat because the eating instinct is so basic. The sexual instinct is in my opinion tied into the brain on many levels, from instinctual all the way up to intellectual. Therefore we can interfere with our own sexual functioning and enjoyment by literally over-thinking.

I may be a pretty base beast but I'm not so primitive that the mere act of intercourse causes me to orgasm. I've learned the hard way that in order to climax I need some emotional involvement with my partner. It ain't automatic, at least for me.


ArgosPlumyKooky 45F
3902 posts
6/7/2006 4:51 pm

thank you thank you thank you thank you. did i say thank you? thank you!


rm_amor2206 38M

6/7/2006 4:57 pm

Wow, what a handler of words. Point proven and extremely attractive. Where have you been for the greater part of my life? I'll be keeping a close eye.


rm_saintlianna 45F
15466 posts
6/7/2006 5:03 pm

Not necessarily that the designer was male but the primary caretaker of the child would be the female, which is obvious anyway in society today, just look around.

Few and far between are there males that want to be the primary caretaker of their children, shit I can name ten men right now that haven't even seen their own kids in years, their choice.


MillsShipsGayly 51M

6/7/2006 5:04 pm

hmmmmmmmmmmm ... very interesting ...

Your questions are really very good.

I don't know if the creator is a male but I do know that men throughout time have tried to take women's pleasure away from them (in its extreme, cliterectomy sp?) so that women will not receive sexual pleasure and thus remain faithful and or tied to one man.

I have always felt Madonna's greatest contribution to society wasn't her songs but her stromg and independent sexuality (role model).

Question: since many women can be self-sufficient for their sexual orgasms, why do they need men at all? Will the 'evolved' woman be auto-erotic or perhaps a lesbian and the male will be relegated to the lowly "sperm donor" role?????


rm_chislut 42F
710 posts
6/7/2006 5:04 pm

Don't really have an answer to your questions, but it reminded me of a study I've seen recently. They (you know, those scientist types "they") found that a woman is more easily able to have an orgasm if her mother also is a woman who is more easily able to orgasm.

I first saw that reported in some magazine I was reading. I pointed it out to my sister. My sister and I went and pointed it out to our mother and we both said, "Just wanted to say THANKS, Mom, you really ARE a great mom!"

Sometimes embarrassing your mother can be fun.


tootsiedippin 53M/53F
1078 posts
6/7/2006 5:06 pm

Maybe it is a built in bio-logical filter. The lover that is able to care and nurture a women in those moments of passion is the one more likely to be a repeat customer ie: mate. This trait may be desirable in that if the male will attend to her and "provide" for her he is more likely to to provide for the ofspring also.

The ordinary or inferior male has a self centered grunt and release technique and move on. But studies show in both animals and humans where the sociaty is base an a form of Alpha Male- many females roving single male model. The females allow for quick single male incounters. In this case he need to be in and out quikly. This could have many possibilities actually.

As to sociaty...maybe a small shift in role reversal. Men could be more selective in their advances because women would be more willing to couple on a purly pleasure seeking basis. Naw....most men are hormonially drive and their brains are not orginized nor disciplined enough not to want to fuck every chance they can. So I guess the next answer would be:

A whole lot more Fucking would be going on and a lot less restriction to the presepts of marriage bonds.

Dippin


RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
6/7/2006 5:17 pm

It's a genetic thing Kel. The females are designed to keep the bloodlines of the species consistant. Females are usually much more picky about their sex partners. Men, on the other hand, are designed to spread their genes as widely as possible, pretty generally fucking everything in sight. It's how Mother designed us from the beginning so that the species would properly evolve. Nothing more than that. Females are responsible for the survival of the species.

Then how do we explain neocons? Mutation? Abberation? DEvolution? Now THAT'S a question that we need to answer. Joe

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rm_bk2nrml 57M

6/7/2006 5:26 pm

if women didnt take as long to orgasm, i dont think sex would be as pleasurable. to me, thats 90% of the enjoyment; finding the right places to stimulate, hearing her build to climax. it just wouldnt be the same. well, for me it wouldnt.......


LustyTaurus 48M  
21253 posts
6/7/2006 5:50 pm

With all due respect...it takes me a good 9-14 strokes to come...in fact I pride myself in having exceptional endurance...


rm_anacortes 74M
2850 posts
6/7/2006 7:24 pm

I say AMEN...


ironman2769 55M  
12661 posts
6/7/2006 8:13 pm

Kelli:

The truth of life is this.....most men are not as sensitive to aowman's needs as they should be.

Second...I have every woman to be truly different. They orgasm differently....some faster than others...others need different stimualtion and arousal.

Personally I believe that women were made to cum...a beautiful orgasmic machine when aroused.

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rm_1hotwahine 63F
21091 posts
6/7/2006 8:51 pm

I don't know...I've always seen it as more of a supreme entity/entities going, "Whaddya say we make this REALLY interesting?"

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Nightguy_1961 55M
4866 posts
6/7/2006 9:35 pm

I have to agree with what tootsiedippin said above...it could be a way to 'screen' for those males who know how to take care of the little things.....those who are considerate, caring, thoughtful.....yeah, yeah, I know...like trying to find a virgin in a whorehouse.

Just my viewpoint....

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goodtimes66682 34M

6/7/2006 10:17 pm

Definately have to agree with you its not fair that its so easy for men but i think if the women is have good sex with someone she really feels for and in some way in here life hasnt been abused or sexually abused and there are no emotional problems then women can get off 1,2,3,4,5,6 times during the same session now is that fair???


rm_xxxtheline 53M

6/7/2006 10:57 pm

Perhaps it works better than you think
(If one ignores the "morals" dictated by "civilized" man)!

Example:
A couple has sex and the man cums,
then goes away and goes to sleep,
leaving the still excited woman to go find another man.
He stops working so hard to fight off other suitors.
She's motivated to keep trying until one gets it right.

Also, a women who has an orgasm is more likely to conceive.
The expansion and contraction of the uterus pulls semen into the uterus thus increasing the odds of impregnation.

Who ever said cave women were monogamous?


SirluvsStorms 46M
684 posts
6/8/2006 12:51 am

    Quoting rm_saintlianna:
    Not necessarily that the designer was male but the primary caretaker of the child would be the female, which is obvious anyway in society today, just look around.

    Few and far between are there males that want to be the primary caretaker of their children, shit I can name ten men right now that haven't even seen their own kids in years, their choice.
So true.. and to add to the mix.. Us males who do stand up and take the role of primary care taker end up haveing to put aside our caretaking qualities just to get some animal like sex. ok ok I know Im stereotyping again God I love those wild animal girls with lots of testostorne that just seem to jump me and me! .. I got two great kids thanks to a wild hottie! Ummm Blondy if you find this get over here and make me squeel your name like the little animal I can be! LOL!!


rm_macallan4u 46M
968 posts
6/8/2006 5:08 am

I think that if women had orgasms as easily as men, women would be less picky when it came to finding a mate. In reality, women are conditioned to find the best mate possible, one who's genes would assure health and prosperity. If women orgasmed all the time, we could throw the theory of "survival of the fittest" right out the window! It would also make us men even lazier than we already are! If we were assured of repeat sex because we got you to orgasm so easily, we wouldn't bother with all the other needs women have.
Besides, how would I stand out of a crowd in this "new" world? At least now, I can differentiate myself from the masses...

Great musing...


rm_lust2u2 51M

6/8/2006 6:31 am

Interesting question at issue. Hmmm, so the conclusion could be - therefor men must have the right to "practice" a lot and have several different women impregnated many times in geographical many places (yeah, I know... no offense)

We have to remember, though we could barely survive and bread from the beginning. During the evolution (Darwin) we have become more and more sophisticated in, not at least, our needs (e.g. sex/pleasure/satisfaction/etc included). Some of us have a sought-after item/gift/ability today, some will hopefully have it tomorrow. Depending of heredity and environment. sic.

And of course, everyone should have the right, among others to experience "basic satisfaction"


DrLoveEsoterica 63M
219 posts
6/8/2006 7:18 am

Kelli:

Your post intrigues me for some reason and I'm not exactly sure why. While I'm not a particularly "spiritual" person, there are some things that, as of yet, can only be explained in spiritual terms. As I read your attempt to explain the differences in man and woman biologically, I am reminded of the Chinese concept of "Yin" and "Yang" which is used to explain two primal opposing but complimentary forces. However, my logical side says that your question is best explained using evolutionary biology theory . . . the idea that things are the way they are because of thousands of years of "being that way" causing parts of a system to "adapt accordingly". For whatever reason, the male of the species evolved as the dominant and the female as the submissive. With some exception, the male is the provider and the female is the motherer/caregiver. As humans with an intellect, we have come to challenge the relationship between the male and female of the species. However, some things are the way they are simply because "that is the way they are".

Your statement "If it were necessary for women to orgasm like men, the human race be extinct", while provocative, is probably not the basic question to be answered in order to explain the ultimate difference between the male and female of the species. However, assuming one could explain the Yin and the Yang in "orgasmic" terms, from my personal experience, the male orgasm is a quick, mostly mechanical, and almost superficial part of a human sexual encounter, while the female orgasm is a much deeper, inner emotional response to the same sexual experience. While you as a female, may sometimes wish to experience the simplicity of the male sexual release, I think some men may also sometimes wish to experience the multiple waves of complexity that females experience in orgasm.

I've had at least one wonderful partner in my life who would often discuss such things with me as we made love. Neither of us reached orgasm every time we made love, although admittedly, on average I did more times than she. However, based upon what she told me, her experiences, although less frequent, were much deeper, more enjoyable and fulfilling.

Based upon our discussions of the differences, we developed mutual goals of trying to make her experiences more frequent and mine more enjoyable and fulfilling, attempting to bring the Yin and the Yang closer together, if you will. For the few years we were together, I think we did that for each other. I've never experienced anything like what we shared since we parted ways for the second time, several years ago. However, I think the ability to explore such possibilities is what separates humans from the rest of the animals on earth. Sex doesn't have to be about simple self-gratification, even though, by nature that is at the very basic instinct of every male and female of any species.

I don't want to sound patronizing, and I am not simply pandering to your female side, as I think you have asked a very deep and interesting question. However, your question caused me to think about what the goals of human sexuality should really be. As humans, I hope they are more complex than simple procreation and more involved than simple self-gratification.

Thanks for asking an interesting question and thank you for allowing me to visit at the door of your blog..

Doc


rm_gorilla062 49M
232 posts
6/8/2006 7:21 am

Simple.... the male of most mammal species was designed to propogate the species. we were intended to have multiple partners of the opposite sex. When that higher being created us he did not think that we would gain the thought process we have grown not gain the emotional attachments we have grown. essentially we are in an advanced mental and emotional being in the body of.... you guessed it a gorilla!!


DLiscious2 48M/42F

6/8/2006 7:46 am

The Creator has set it up exactly the way She wants it. The system works for the successful procreation of humanity, though it must be said that it also creates tension and frustration in singles bars.

Of course, then there is L who is easily-orgasmic and D who knows how to last. For us the natural order of things works beautifully.


sillyperv 54M

6/8/2006 8:48 am

Well, you know, they did biological tests on robin's and there offspring and it was discovered that mama robin isn't just out for hours searching for food. Yes, Mama Robin is a slut! And it makes sense for biological diversity otherwise you'd end up with a line of robins the equivilant of the British Royal Family - did that bunch need a shot of Diana, or what?

Also, in terms of procreation, when a woman orgasms the uterus makes a snatch down motion that helps intake the oncoming sperm. So it is important, and not just so your partner will stop walking around sharpening steak knives in chronic frustration.


Sweetpickles69 47F

6/8/2006 10:00 am

Thanks for the words of wisdom!

Peace,
Pickles

Peace,
Pickles


MaggiesWishes 60F

6/8/2006 11:23 am

*keeping legs shut*
I already had a theory and she's living proof that I can procreate

Issues well stated my friend.

Now the way I see it ... if women can be trained to cum multiply times, so can men ... just takes a little more effort.
Therefore, our work is never done.

warm huggies 2ya Sis
Come take a break at my place


Kristofer32 46M

6/8/2006 11:40 am

Kelli,

Are you pissed or did you finally have bad sex? Everything you mentioned sounds like some of the isolated times where a guy, like in a case, could care less for the female half of the act. I would never profess to be the king daddy of all men having sex, but I can say, without reservation and with 100 %, ciento por ciento, certainty, I have never had a woman who did not want a second tryst. I can also say, with resonable certainty in situations where the woman gets nothing but "two or three" pumps, it can't be good for either participant. Sex is SO GOOD when BOTH people are in to the situation. Obligatory sex, as well as I imagine, forced sex cannot be fun. Why bother if there are not two (or more if you swing that way) people who are BOTH into the situation?

Kris...

Words of wisdom from the hillbilly who only pines to EVER understand what makes two X chromosomes tick!


WayneMarie4girl 45M/38F

6/8/2006 12:01 pm

We still can't get over two or three pumps. Hope that wasn't personal experience there talking.


concupiscentKid 40M

6/8/2006 1:13 pm

It never ceases to amaze me how random evolution really is.


fmisvme 46M/36F

6/8/2006 1:42 pm

Hey Kelli,
Thankfully Miss C is multi-orgasmic, but we think it has much less to do with the phyical stimulation than the mental. She can cum without any pumps...and that is an extremely rewarding experience for both of us. Take Care.
M&C


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rm_carchrist 60M
1 post
6/8/2006 2:08 pm

That just sums up what a shit man is. Woman is more powerful no doubt. God was made in the image and likeness of man, woman created man. It is a MANS gratefulness that causes him to satisfy his woman/partner/spouse/wife a creator and NOT to shit all over her. His gratefulness for his gift of time on earth, a gift from a WOMAN, NOT some guy in the sky. A man that puts himself ahead of a woman is a stupid shit and NOT a REAL MAN. Women are GODDESSES to be worshiped and appreciated not subordinated. It's so sad you haven't met a REAL MAN, or maybe you have. True there are not many of us around, thats so sad. All WOMEN deserve to be treated with love and NOT hate. Any hatefull woman on this earth was taught it by man and the cycle goes on and on. I alone can't stop it but I can attempt to change it.


leegs55 55M

6/8/2006 2:53 pm

we climax quick because you women are hot!!!!


new2here05 50M

6/8/2006 3:41 pm

Kelli -
I would suspect my wife has had more orgasms than I over the course of our 15-year marriage. Sure ‒ when we skip a few days, I am definitely a little ‘quicker’ than I (we) would prefer ‒ but we know that and balance that aspect with her needs.

Yes, I would agree when you take two people (devoid of feelings / relationship - e.g. ) the male would have an advantage in speed. But I know very few (if any) mates that would choose that path for conception.

As I probably missed your point ‒ please accept this apology.


Drofpussology4u 59M  
4843 posts
6/8/2006 11:11 pm

I all depends on the skill level of the man and the sensitivity of the woman. MOST women I have sex with like the hours of fore play before penetration. They cum in excess of ten times on average during fore play and more during sex. Some, however have not liked massages, clit play, azz play or toys. I have not been able to make THESE women cum. It amounts to one out of ten. I can just imagine how it must be to be with a man who is like I USED to be who does not put much energy into makeing a woman cum. That must be miserable for women. It cums with maturity. It cums with discussion and finding out what your partners skill levels are before you bed them. Most times, I get it right now.

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rm_acer57 59M
124 posts
6/9/2006 8:37 am

I'm convinced that difficulty climaxing is mostly mental on the part of women. The really self-aware women I know are capable of four types of orgasm, versus one for males. MRI scans of men and women in orgasm show the specific areas of the male's brain lighting up... when women come the whole brain lights up.

I gave one woman multiple O's during a foot massage! It really scared her at first, but she 'dealt' with it. Interestingly she said it never happened again, with me or anyone else.


rm_OK_With_Us 61M/60F

6/10/2006 7:18 pm

I think these posts reflect the sad nature of some of you guys. My lady comes many more times than I do. Even if I come quickly she has a couple. Maybe the gals that don't have more than one orgasm/session should look at what is going on with themselves or their partners rather than just blaming the men for their lack of satisfaction.

D


rm_kelli4u2dew replies on 6/10/2006 11:36 pm:
I simply posed some questions. For myself, I cum very easily, but I have had men who couldn't figure out how to make that happen.

As for your comment, do you blame a person who is run over in a cross walk for getting in the way of the car? I agree that a woman who makes the man entirely responsible for her satisfaction will probably be disappointed, but is it too much to ask for a mutual commitment?

I'm glad your lady is multi orgasmic. The rest of your comment is offensive due to your attitude.

reverend21 49M
1913 posts
6/10/2006 10:28 pm

hmmmmmmmmm, what if indeed


titan_firm 43M

6/19/2006 4:58 am

I think it's simply a mechanism to work out who is still there in the morning!

Yes, I know I'm single....please don't rub it in!

T&F


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