A Rant Continued From Papy  

rm_jayR63 59F
1205 posts
7/4/2005 5:30 pm

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A Rant Continued From Papy

They call it G-8, I call it a meeting of the Trilateral Commission and the Illuminati.
George will be president and Tony will be his butt-boy.
Let the New World Order begin!
There will be no more Iran, Israel and Palestine. What were once individual countries will now be known as The broader Middle East and North Africa.
Iraq and Afghanistan will now be called Iraqistan.
Bytechaser You have a nice bed to sleep in don't you?Plenty of food, good job.
These people are bold enough to do
WHATEVER IT TAKES to draw attention to the differences between the haves and have nots.
That is on an individual as well as geographic level.
Look how much money Bush has spent on war compared to the amount of money given to developing nations and third world countries.

A few days of inconvenience for the well off on their way to work, a few broken windows are a small price to pay if it gets your attention and gets people thinking and talking about the injustices in the world and the toxic dump we are making of it.
Unfortunately we in the US are arrogant and spoiled and just want to watch cable TV, drive our SUV's and use our high speed computers.
You would be crying for mama if you had to spend a day living like they do in Darfur or Addis Abbaba.
Why isn't the US interested in that?

I must rest but look for my next rant titled
"if bringing democracy to the world is so damned important why don't we take some to Cuba?"

Philosophy_N_Sex 49M/47F

7/4/2005 6:39 pm

Well said.

The "haves" are getting more "stuff" at the expense of the "have nots" no medical care unless you have serious bank, people work for 6 bucks an hour only to be made to feel like losers because they apply for food stamps. What of the corporate welfare? the tax breaks to the haves?

We do not have a governemnt of the people, by the people and for the people. Funny thing is a Republician said governemnt by the people, for the people, of the people.

keithcancook 60M
17795 posts
7/4/2005 6:58 pm

It is only natural that nations will look to themselves first. Outside their borders they will view other nations only in light of how they can be of use in furthering national objectives.

Even foreign aid is not entirely humanitarian, but serves political purposes as well. Still, Darfur is not entirely being ignored. The U.S. is applying such pressure as it can to coerce the central government into relieving the suffering.

ByteChaser2 53M

7/4/2005 7:57 pm

***Yawn*** I do sleep in a nice bed, in a nice house. And in a state where I can expect that it'll still be there when I get home, and in a country that, in defference to your ideological rant, is the SINGLE MOST GENEROUS on this planet. (The proof is in the national budget.)

A country that has leadership with balls enough to slap the shit out of those who would love nothing more than to repress MY (YOUR) freedoms, dictate to me (YOU) what God to worship and tell me (YOU) my daughter (YOU) is (are) forbidden to go to school simply because some "prophet" said so. That would kill me (YOU) and everyone I (YOU) know, and happily piss on our graves just so they can have 70 virgins in heaven. Sorry, but I kind of like putting gas in my SUV and watching the discovery channel.

Being "Bold enough to do whatever it takes" does not excuse lawlessness. PERIOD.

And my last word on this topic - A rant that would be better served directed at your political leadership rather than here - I would greatly appreciate not being singled out in your next or any other geo-political tyrade.

rm_jayR63 59F
1884 posts
7/4/2005 8:41 pm

If you don't want to be singled out, do not post on a public forum.

A fine example of the aforementioned spoiled arrogance.

If it weren't for protesters and television, we might still be in 'Nam. But George the Theocrat will have none of those nasty flag draped coffins on the news as long as he's in charge. We may well be the most generous nation on the planet but you need to look at our own budget, how billions of dollars are allocated and compare the columns. NOT compare it to other nations.
I guess you're buying into that "they do this because they hate freedom" BS, too.
Call me when you have ALL the facts

rm_jayR63 59F
1884 posts
7/4/2005 8:51 pm

P&S [/ color] I bet if someone makes $6.00/hr they would be denied food stamps

Keith You shall be our new Secretary of State

AmberSolaire 42M

7/4/2005 10:07 pm

Newsflash........I hear on the grapevine that AdultFriendFinder have agreed to loan Tony Blair a pair of newly polished Golden Balls (previously owned my Mr D Beckham Esq) in exchange for future debt relief.

Will it make a diference.I somehow doubt it.
Bring back Maggie Thatcher she had iron balls and knew how to weald them.

freetime648 52F

7/4/2005 11:31 pm

I always say and whole heartedly believe that there are 3 subjects you do not discuss in a bar:
1. Race
2. Religion
3. Politics
Now, although this is not a bar, it is a public forum....which anyone can say what they choose. They just need to be careful with the afore mentioned topics!!!! Just on the rcord...years ago I made $6 dollars an hour and recieved the help I needed!

xx FREETIME648 xx

rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
7/4/2005 11:57 pm

thanks jay, it's good to know that some of you americans have some sense and bytechaser -- most generous country in the world??? more like most profit-taking country in the world ... no, generosity is not the same thing as greed ...

[blog freelove999]

papyrina 51F
21133 posts
7/5/2005 2:48 am

Agrees with amber on thatcher balls

Jay i agree totally on rally the masses to help those who need help but violence by a few spoilt over paid bored yuppies from middle class back grounds will never sort the issue out,Joe bloggs gets fed up of the destruction and then ignores the problem completely,Joe wants a regular wage,a home and health care,once he gets that he will then start to think of other and help them,on an idiviual level Joe will help,just look at the Tsunmi and the amount given to charitites world wide.
I admit the USA could give a lot more as per head it gives the least and as world ruler it could certainly help more and set a better example,where i live to my suprise on lasters arnament figures Greece per head spent in the last 8 years more per head than any where in the World on Items of War(supposedly on the fact of we may go to War with Turkey one day)

I like you do believe that there is a group hidden well deep slowly running the world and it ain't Georgie or tony there just front men,charm and a smile always get votes,

i disagree completely with the War in Irak,not so much in Afganistan but once started will support our troops.Sadaam was and is a bastard but he had stuff all to do with 9/11 and needed to be got rid of but War was not the answer or the solution

Your media is very biast and Joe doesn't see all that is happening in the World just the feel good bits or the anti American bit,sad but true and long term who knows what will happen

I'm a

i'm here to stay

papyrina 51F
21133 posts
7/5/2005 2:57 am

When will it all change,how will it change and how much will it cost i have no idea but i don't see it happening in my life time

Cildren African and Western world will still die of disease,of lack of health care,drugs and neglect,

Old ladies will stil freeze to death.

War will still happen as people lust for more and more,power is an almighty trip.

How to get rid of all the power hungry Africam leaders which would go a long way to solving the African problem.

Africa is a very rich country in natural resources,Oil,minerals and stones,but it will never become rich or healthy till we help educate the masses to realise this for them selves,who are we to neurtralize the politions ,even with this zero debt thing,its a great idea as we all know paying the interest on anything is a killer but will it help,i don't think,in 20 years time we will have more concert if were around to see then as who knows what China,Korea,Pakistan and India will be upto then as one of those will be comeing very powerful in a few more years and we won't be hurting them as there armed to the teeth and will hit back,

I'm a

i'm here to stay

papyrina 51F
21133 posts
7/5/2005 2:59 am

Hugs and have a wonderful day hun

I like the fact were free to write ,dream and most of all were in our minds free.as its only there that we are

I'm a

i'm here to stay

rm_talldarkavg1 105M
10172 posts
7/5/2005 8:47 am

Was it Hunt or Getty that said something to the effect..."evenly divide all the wealth in the world among all the people in the world and in less than a year everything will be back to where it was before you did it."?

Some things have no answer. But asking the questions helps find one in most cases.

[blog talldarkavg1]

rockwriter58 56M
1389 posts
7/5/2005 8:49 am

Are we really the most generous when you look at percentage of aid stacked up against the total budget or the Gross National Product (GNP)?

I think the Scandinavian nations easily beat us if you use those measuring sticks... probably other nations beat us on that score too.

Eerily...911 was my code number to post this comment!

HandyMan4Orgasms 56
80 posts
7/5/2005 9:45 am

WOW...simply WOW! The only thought in my head after that is... What ever happened to taking care of our own backyard first?

ByteChaser2 53M

7/5/2005 1:16 pm

Well as expected, you've taken the hypacritical high road and distorted your beloved facts to serve your own bruised conscience (as you type away on your computer, over your highspeed internet connection). So lets just have a look at the facts shall we?

Of the 21 major federally funded agencies in the US, Dept of State and International Assistance Programs come in at #7, holding just over 3% of the annual budget. That's 3% of your tax dollars. That doesn't even count the special allocations that'll be made throughout the FY for things like emergency and disaster relief. We're actually spending only marginally less in international aid than we are on our own homeland defense. Are you trying to say that we should ignore our own countries defense, health and education? Of course not. Your not that shallow.

So here's the talley of the top 8 from the annual budget report:

Dept of Defense $419.3B
Dept of Health and Human Services $67.2B
Dept of Transportation $57.5B
Dept of Education $56B
Dept of Homeland Security $34.2B
Dept of Veterans Affairs $33.4B
Dept of State and International Assistance Programs $31.8B
Dept of Housing and Urban Development $28.5B

But that's not really the point is it? No... What's more to the point is that there is a significant difference between Civil Protest and Civil Disobedience - Again, there is no excuse for lawlessness. They want to effect a change in their government and sway world opinion? VOTE! Lobby the leadership, garner support, unify into a single voice... and do it within the confines of the LAW.

A gaggle of hooligans using the closest and most convenient issue at hand to throw beer bottles and rocks at the authorities in the name of reform only serves to waste the already financially strapped resources of that locale. The conference will go on... The issues will still be discussed and Edinburgh will still have to foot extra police overtime to maintain law and order. So are you advocating violence and lawlessness in the furtherance of political causes? NO of course your not. Your a law abiding world citizen.

But that's not really the issue with you either is it? No, I suspect it's not. But lets just look at that last little piece of drivel... No I don't think "they do this because they hate freedom". That's an absolutely preposterous (though sadly expected from you) thing to say. I think they (those who would do us [nationally] harm) do it because the major contributors of this planet (the U.S. being the top contributer by both choice AND design) has severely curtailed the practice of enabling their expectations that the US will just support their squandered resources and not expect them to even try to do for themselves. Obviously this is in exclusion of those people who really, truely need our help and more, are really trying to better their own situation. Because we've finally come to the realization that we cant afford to continue to be the global daddy anymore and just come a runnin every time some country allows dictatorial rule to occur (ergo our outrageously high DoD allocation to pay for policing the world).

You see this all the time: "Why isn't the US doing something to help us" followed closely by "quit meddling in our affairs and leave! Oh, but don't take your money with you..." followed even closer by "Why did those bastards in the US leave us hanging like this!". So are you saying we should ignore the needs of our own citizenry for the "takers" of the globe? Hell no your not, your a compassionate person.

Yeah yeah yeah... here comes Viet Nam... Lets dredge that goat rope up again. While your at it, why not talk about most of Europe in WWI and WWII, or Korea, or even Cuba way back in the day. And what about most of the Pacific rim when Japan decided to act the fool? Even China was breathing a sigh of relief when those bombs fell. Oh hell yes sir! Drop that fucker... Twice! And a mere decade later, we're the cruelest nation in history for evaporating a regional threat bent on asian domination.

And what about homeland security... Money well spent in my opinion. It's kind of nice not having to wake up to another detroyed building. And if defending the country means we have to go beyond our shores to eliminate the threat, well then git er done! Does that mean we should all sell off our worldly possessions and live like hermits so no one else in the world is offended by our wealth and success? Of course not. You've worked hard to maintain your standard of living.

Of course I suspect you'll continue to blithely follow the liberal pied piper right on out of the city of reason no matter what the REAL facts are. But you go right on ahead and believe everything the media tells you, go wave your banner and beat your chest. You go ahead and post pictures of starving children on your blog. Do yourself a favor and voice this in a forum more appropriate to the issues and to someone who can actually affect the changes you're want to see affected. I may be wrong but I doubt there are any members of the standing governments of the world lurking around the blogs.

warmeasyguy 64M

7/5/2005 2:55 pm

An adult discussion of politics is always the great taboo in the U.S. We're always expected to sit at the children's table and do what we're told. This is why the gangsters were able to stage a coup in 2000 with hardly a peep from the populace. And any time anyone casts any doubt on the myth of the military/industrial complex as the great savior of mankind, there's always someone around to talk about how kind and generous we are. Count up the bodies we've left in our wake just in the last 60 years.

smileguyqc 53M

7/5/2005 3:07 pm

Why do we think that increasing the level of foreign aid will solve the problems of destitute countries? What has happened to the aid that has already been given, does anyone have information on that? I am for helping and giving aid if that is what it takes but what is the game plan. Who controls the distribution of foreign aid, is there a better way to do this? I think discussions like this are important and that they should not be full of accusations and contention. The focus should be putting ideas on the table; we all have different viewpoints and levels of awareness. Personally, in my own life I am so focused on my little thesis writing, child-rearing world that I miss a lot of what is going on. Given that I spend a fair amount of my extra time here on this site its nice to see these issues discussed.

expatbrit49 62M

7/5/2005 3:49 pm

I think I will leave my take on Americian Politics for another day and another Blog

Thank You for Your Time and Attention

rm_jayR63 59F
1884 posts
7/5/2005 6:57 pm

Sorry, SB (byte chaser) I didn't read your last post because you said you were taking your ball and going home.

That, and it was too long and all run together.

Now then,

This is indeed a complex issue.
Let me focus on Africa.
There are some disturbing government heads there and some disturbing things happening within those governments. Witness the latest actions of Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe.
The problem of debt began with colonization and the arbitrary division of colonies.
Readers Digest version, any resources went to benefit the colonial governments, not the indigenous people.
With independence came corrupt governments (aid given went to buy the rulers cars and mansions) and the country has never been able to recover.
Lack of sanitation and spread of malaria have contributed to lack of economy because many people are too sick to work. AIDS and malaria are rampant.
Digest version again-
Debt must be forgiven. Aid should be given mainly in the form of health care and methods to combat malaria.
Monetary aid will be given to ethical governments. Not just as a big bag o’ money and not contingent upon the whims and wants of the donor but with nonpartisan advisors.
That’s my rough sketch.
Where are the Cabinet Members?
I bet they’re down at the G Spot again!

rockwriter58 56M
1389 posts
7/6/2005 7:02 am

Since when does someone have the right to tell you what you can post in your own blog, besides the administrators setting up the parameters for posting?

Personally, I'm glad to see a serious discussion here.

I would point out that liberals aren't spending the U.S. into a vulnerable position nor are they starting wars based on lies nor are they bending the Constitution into a pretzel. Look somewhere else if you want to point fingers at the folks who are behind the current conditions.

Some facts, since someone here challenged those. Yes, the U.S. spends more on overall aid than any of the developed nations. However, if you look at levels of aid compared to gross national product (GNP) you will see that Norway in 2004 had the highest rate of giving in the developed world and the Netherlands were not too far behind. If the U.S. spent at that level, the total amount of aid would be four or five times higher than the current levels. In the developed world, only Italy gives aid at a lower rate.

SirMounts 102M

7/6/2005 7:17 am

I totally disagree with your world view... but I like the fact that you care. *smile*

Barbiebunny69 43F

7/6/2005 1:14 pm

What i would like to know which issue still confounds me is WHY JR did u choose to single out Bytechaser out of everyone here in blogville? Hes justliving his life just as u do. thanks

eternallover52 64M

7/6/2005 1:45 pm

Wow, what a blog!!! Someone can think and it's well appreciated. What a woman!!!

rm_affbreak 46M
287 posts
7/6/2005 6:39 pm

"In the developing world, more than 1.2 billion people currently live below the international poverty line, earning less than $1 per day"

"815 million people in the developing world are undernourished. They consume less than the minimum amount of calories essential for sound health and growth"

United Nations Millennium Declaration:

"We resolve [..] to halve, by the year 2015, the proportion of the world’s people whose income is less than one dollar a day and the proportion of people who suffer from hunger and, by the same date, to halve the proportion of people who are unable to reach or to afford safe drinking water."

1.2 billion people * 1$ = 1.2 billion dollar.

Multiply it with 10 for 'logistics'. 12 billion dollar.
How much was being spent for homeland security again?

Face it: We [the so called 'developed' nations] let people die.

missy973 47F

7/6/2005 9:09 pm

"WOW...simply WOW! The only thought in my head after that is... What ever happened to taking care of our own backyard first?"

We do take care of our own backyard. Plus the answer is simple as to why we should care about our neighboring countrues whether near or far: If we have a LOT more than what another nation has, and that nation is barely feeding itself, isn't it only natural for that country to get jealous and want to take from us only what it needs to survive?

That's why we should care. It's the neighborly thing to do, and it prevents wars.

SirMounts 102M

7/7/2005 3:06 pm

Wouldn't that be $12 billion a day? Times 365 days in a year? That's 4.38 trillion *$4,380,000,000,000* a year, every year. That's about the size of the entire US ecomomy... so if we gave it all away, We would be starving. Better free market economics, and free elections, to allow people to produce enough to feed themselves, and eliminate the diversion of economic resources by dictators and corrupt officials, who care only about themselves, and not about their own, starving people.

rockwriter58 56M
1389 posts
7/9/2005 10:44 am

Good to see that the G8 committed to at least double poverty aid to Africa. However, the U.S. could easily quadruple its commitment to worldwide poverty aid without crippling our defense.

Look at all the military systems the Pentagon is developing. Do we really need them all? That's where your tax dollars are going... to the military/industrial complex. Critically examine whether we are spending the right amounts on homeland security and you will see that area comes up lacking too. Stop developing futuristic (and corrupt) war machines and focus on domestic and international poverty relief, education and anti-terrorism measures (measures that would be much more flexible and better suited for anti-symmetrical warfare).

Any analysis of where your tax dollars go shows there is a steep imbalance to one category... not to mention disregard for the growing deficit.

BuxomFrau 44

7/9/2005 7:21 pm

Holy Moses, was this post for real?

A country that has leadership with balls enough to slap the shit out of those who would love nothing more than to repress MY (YOUR) freedoms

I suppose you've never gone to CVS to get your birth control and was denied because the pharmacist didn't agree with your freedom to control your body...and your government doing nothing about it.

dictate to me (YOU) what God to worship

"One nation, under God...", federal funding for faith-based (read: Christian) sex education programs in public schools...

and tell me (YOU) my daughter (YOU) is (are) forbidden to go to school simply because some "prophet" said so.

Or told that a woman has less right to the goings on of her uterus than the federal government.

The "fundamentalist Christians" in this country that our influencing public policy are far more dastardly, morally bankrupt, and vile than any terrorist outside our borders.

rm_aikman084 54M
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7/9/2005 9:50 pm


rockwriter58 56M
1389 posts
7/10/2005 10:04 am

Very telling... when rational arguments overwhelm your viewpoint... just resort to cursing.

keithcancook 60M
17795 posts
7/10/2005 1:53 pm

Tell us how ya really feel aikman084. Don't hold back now...

bloater999 54M

7/15/2005 12:29 pm

Africa is very sad, at least it went on the Agenda last week, unfortunately those evil idiots with the bombs in London seem to have made it rather less news-worthy.

Personally I pay for a little lad's education in Uganda, it costs me peanuts, and I can even deduct tax against it.... if we all did a little maybe Africa could be the great continent it should be, after all us Europeans didn't make it part of our various empires out of charity - there is wealth there.

rm_jayR63 59F
1884 posts
7/15/2005 7:45 pm

Thank you BuxomFrau for explaining things to B.Bunny

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