The Toilet Seat Debate - A Man's Perspective  

rm_gerson42 52M
1752 posts
5/28/2006 1:41 am

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The Toilet Seat Debate - A Man's Perspective

Ok ladies, I post this while realizing that I could face an onslaught here, but I'm gonna do it anyway as it is late, I am tired and not thinking in my right mind. Earlier in the day SexyDisaster30 made a comment to me about leaving the seat down. So the subject is now open for debate. Here is my take on it.

I have never once in my entire life been asked nicely to leave the toilet seat in some specific position. It seems as if it is some sort of rule that women cannot simply request this nicely of someone, they have to break into a song-like rant, spitting obscenities and shaking their finger at you. I by no means wish to clump ALL women into this group. I am not leaving out the possibility that only women I associate with have this problem. So basically, when I refer to "women" in this little rant, take it with a grain of salt.

Recently, a friend, who is a girl explained, while glaring at me, that leaving the lid and the seat down is just as bad if not worse than leaving both of them up. This is apparently due to the fact that when one has to pee, they plop down on the lid, cannot tell that it is down and begin to pee on the lid.

I have been told the exact same reason for all of this from every girl who has screamed at me for it and it has got to be one of the stupidest admissions that I have ever heard in my entire life.

"We don't always look before we sit down, and sometimes at night we don't even turn on the light."

This is a deficiency. This admission, made almost with pride, says two things to me:

1)I make unwarranted assumptions.
2)I am militantly unaware of my environment.

So as a male, apparently I am expected to make up for this deficiency by making sure that the lid is always left in the correct position. In the interest of not falling into the toilet and/or urinating on myself, I always make sure to look before I sit down. I find the concept of "not looking" interesting. How exactly does one not see the condition of the toilet before sitting on it? The only solutions I have been able to come up with on my own (since females seem uninterested or unable to tell me) are these:

1)Women enter the bathroom with their eyes closed or while staring at the ceiling.
2)Women open the bathroom door and then proceed to back into the bathroom using their rear-end to locate the toilet.
3)Women only do bathroom business after daylight hours and are incapable of and/or unwilling to operate a light switch.
4)All women are very cleverly hiding the fact that they are born blind.
5)Toilets/toilet seats are diabolically engineered to be completely invisible to women.

One time, when I was about seven, my little ass fell into the toilet because I had left the toilet seat and lid up. Having no girth to speak of I fell right in and dipped my bare hiney in the cold (yet thankfully clean) toilet water. This was not only embarrassing but uncomfortable as well. Since that day, I have never fallen into or even come close to falling into the toilet. Might I also remind everyone that men sit down, too.

This rant isn't due to the fact that I am unwilling to help women with this admitted deficiency. Rather, I find it infuriating that because women are seemingly unable to check to make sure that the toilet seat is down, they take this anger out on me. It becomes my deficiency, I am less of a person because I cannot remember to put the seat down/lid up. I can understand the embarrassment of urinating on ones self and or falling into a toilet, but getting angry with someone else because you did something foolish is rather immature.

Besides, everyone knows... men urinate in the shower.

gerson42 - but My friends can call me ger

frangipanigal 44F
10406 posts
5/28/2006 2:46 am

I had this argument with my Ex so many times! (after asking nicely a 100 times). I tried to explain to him with logic. He didn't get it, does that make any sense to you?

Q. If women go to the toilet 10 times, how often do they need to sit?

A. 10 times. They sit for number ones and number twos.

Q.If a man goes to the toilet 10 times, how often does he need to sit?

A.Maybe 2 times (Maybe a few more times if he is on a high fibre diet!!)

Therefore if a man and a woman co-habituate, the toilet seat is used down 12 times out of 20 (at least).

So, majority and common sense should rule...leave the damn thing down!! Women pee in the shower too you know, (well I know Madonna said she does!), so thats even more number twos in the loo and MORE times it needs to be down..he-he!!

Frangi x
(glad that she doesnt have to deal with that anymore...)

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:23 pm:
OK, now you brought statistics into it. I'm thinkin up a follow up for this one.
and... everyone knows that although men may have common sense, they are not required to use it.

HBowt2 58F

5/28/2006 3:20 am

my only argument is that the toilet looks better with the seat down, lid closed......otherwise I'm quite capable of maneuvering a piece or wood or plastic into the position i want it in

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:23 pm:
Now there's a reasonable argument.

Mermaidslut 49F

5/28/2006 3:52 am


already had this debate earlier this month with a bunch of men.... have a new arguement for it though....

A gentleman, will leave the seat down for his lady. I consider this more important than opening my car door, because of the germs on the seat. I don't wanna touch the seat, especially in the dark! Ever!

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:24 pm:
Ok, another decent argument. Dammit, playing the gentleman card!

rm_LoyalCumpany 46M
3204 posts
5/28/2006 4:41 am

Ya know, I really wasn't going to comment on any blog at this time, because I am thoroughly drunk but...

gerson, you are my hero. Taking on such a debated subject with such a manly point of view. I gotta give you props, and yet leave no opinion of my own in fear of retribution from the ladies.

(Pssst. I alweys close both lids before I flush. I am a toilet flushing God! Worship me now, ladies!)

I am JoJo the Circus Boy!

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:25 pm:
Chicken shit followed by suckup. You are drunk, go to bed!

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:26 pm:
ok, Im sorry... that was harsh. You did say I was your hero.

Kaliedascope61 41M
4084 posts
5/28/2006 5:32 am

Maybe it is invisible to women, thats a good point.

Women go to the bathroom 10 times a day? If thats the case then I'm not so sure its us men are leaving the seat up!

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:31 pm:
Nice, I like the numbers slant to this. We men may have a case yet.

Smooth_GaL 34F
424 posts
5/28/2006 5:35 am

Well sometimes i hear my sis argueing with her beloved on the same matter but the thing i can't get over is some guys doing their "big" job and using tissue paper and not water.... That still makes me feel kinda yuckieeee


rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:32 pm:
What, now we gotta pass a law to wash our "rosebuds". It's hard enough remembering to wash our hands.

nottycara 36F

5/28/2006 6:01 am

Huh? I am not even reading all of it. Just bloody get in there and get on with the business and whatever necessary before getting out. The bathroom is my second home and is where i display all the exotic crafts. GUess I am lucky cuz my guy isn't 'messy'

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:33 pm:
Who said anything about being messy. You gotta read the whole post to respond dammit. Were talkin UP or DOWN here.

wickedeasy 66F  
25377 posts
5/28/2006 6:08 am

thinks you just want a good old fashioned melee..............

adding to the mix - why won't men put a new roll of tp on when they use the last of the old one....but instead, leave it on the floor, or the sink, or even on top of the little rolly thing.

so near and yet so far.........sighs

You cannot conceive the many without the one.

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:35 pm:
What, me, instigate? Nah. But which way to put the roll on, over or under?

Seriously_Real 48M

5/28/2006 6:29 am

There are soooooo many things in life that aren't worth it. This is one of them....the best rule of all is "my toilet, my way." If it's her house, you treat that throne with the same respect you do her other things. There. Problem fucking solved.


rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:36 pm:
Oooh, I love it when your analytical. What if it's a shared bathroom?

EroticaXTC 49F

5/28/2006 6:41 am

I have only one thing to say...
I have a father, a brother, two sons, and an ex husband....and I gingerly pat the back of the toilet to feel if the lid,seat, or both is up.

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:37 pm:
Erotica's in the house, yeah! She knows how to handle this. Adapt or get wet.

real36CgirlPA 37F

5/28/2006 6:44 am

I always leave both lids down. My cat isn't the brightest, so she might try to have a drink otherwise. With both lids down I get a chair in the bathroom should I need it for clipping nails, etc.

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:38 pm:
This is difficult enough without throwing the cat into the mix. Chair in the bathroom, good idea. Men do that, but the lid is up. lol

TheRealThing655 48F
9558 posts
5/28/2006 6:56 am

    Quoting Seriously_Real:
    There are soooooo many things in life that aren't worth it. This is one of them....the best rule of all is "my toilet, my way." If it's her house, you treat that throne with the same respect you do her other things. There. Problem fucking solved.

I tried to quote HBowt too...these are my thoughts.
I have 2 boys, they leave the seat up all the time. Any woman who goes to the bathroom without looking at the seat status, is well, I don't know the word....
The toilt seat looks better down, but it's not a huge fucking deal.
There are so many things in life not worth arguing about, and this is one of them!

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:39 pm:
Worth it, no. Fun, yes. As I said previously, I can be into the aesthetically pleasing argument.

angelofmercy5 58F
17881 posts
5/28/2006 7:17 am

This was so funny to me! It is an age old argument! In defense of women everywhere....we are NOT blind. We are just so darn busy taking care of the men in our life that when we find time to run to the bathroom we are usually so desperate to pee that we just flop without looking! And yes! Either the toilet seat left up....or the lid left down can cause disaster in this case! LOL

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:41 pm:
Who said that we men had to be taken care of? I can take care of myself dammit.
What's for dinner?

bipolybabe 54F

5/28/2006 7:45 am

I've discovered it's very difficult to housebreak a man. If he's not already potty trained by this age, it's no use. So, I've given it up.

I'm starting, however, with my son. It's my job to train him the next generation. It will be a grand day in history when his girlfriend/wife/lover/boyfriend sings my praises for what a wonderful, thoughtful, considerate, totally bitchin' fella he is. Which he already is!


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rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:42 pm:
That's right, train em while they are young and don't know any better. lol
I'm sure your son will make his Mom proud.

rm_wetfingeraz 53F
3012 posts
5/28/2006 8:45 am

I never take for granted that it's up or down. I always look before sit as you never know if somebody's dribbled on the seat or not. My complaint about men leaving the seat up is that I have to touch it to put it down. Ick.

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:43 pm:
But that is why the seat is up in the first place, so we don't dribble on it. See, we are being considerate.

ProtonicMan 47M

5/28/2006 10:17 am

The seat and the lid are ALWAYS down in my house, except when the toilet needs to be used.

What's with all the squeamishness about touching the toilet? Don't you know how to use the sink afterward? It's only 2 feet away, fer cryin out loud. You turn those little handles and water comes out. When used with soap, you get nice, clean hands.

Good grief.


rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:45 pm:
Sink, water, handles? We have to wash the seat down now? lol

waerlookin4fun 50M/46F

5/28/2006 10:48 am

This one cracked me up I've only fallen in once and that was a very long time ago. I have a son and my husband and I never assume that they've left the seat down for me, I always check......and I've never sat on the lid and'd think as soon as someone sat down they'd know the lid was down, unless they were drunk

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:46 pm:
There we go, you fell in ONCE.

LustyTaurus 48M  
21253 posts
5/28/2006 10:58 am

I aim to please, you aim too...PLEEAASEE??

very funny ger..LOL

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:51 pm:
Sometimes I wish we could place a line on the comments section that did not allow any more responses. If we did, I would put it there and leave your words as the final ones.

curvymeli 39F

5/28/2006 11:07 am

I and friends have had the rule that if you are in a man's place, you leave the seat up, and if you are in a woman's place you leave the seat down. As most of us are single and generally live with roommates of the same sex, it hasn't caused a problem.

Generally for other situations the lid should always be put back down (IM bc if there is a woman in the house it is most often used that way. If the man forgets, it's not that big of a deal (!!) and shouldn't cause a big fight.

Now, if he forgets and has pissed all over the place without wiping it up, then there's a problem (why haven't so many men figured out how to aim that lovely rocket yet!!!).

And as for toilet paper, it should always be properly replaced, bc you have time to flip the lid but sometimes there isn't time to check for TP first and I know my short arms can't always reach wherever it has rolled off to....and I really dislike having to wipe my pretty twat with something that has been rolling on the floor.

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:50 pm:
If your man forgets and pisses all over the place without wiping it up, yeah, you gotta take a second look at that.

southrnpeach333 50F

5/28/2006 12:03 pm

In my male dominated world...i look at everything before i sit down.

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 12:53 pm:
But it's a compromise, right? When the toilet is clogged as a result of half a roll of toilet paper per flush, I plunge it. We got tradeoffs.

wickedeasy 66F  
25377 posts
5/28/2006 2:33 pm that a real issue? over or under?

i do believe i need a vacation.......wanders off to find a hotel where someone else changes the damn roll of tp

You cannot conceive the many without the one.

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 3:13 pm:
Where are we going?

TabithaElectra79 37F

5/28/2006 3:05 pm

Who wants to see inside the toilet and let all those germs escape, just keep the lid down for gawds sake, that's why it's there!!!

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 3:12 pm:
see.. I can appreciate the that's why it there for comment.
Im going to go check my seat right now.

nottycara 36F

5/28/2006 10:10 pm

OK OKAY ok ok u right u right.

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/28/2006 11:58 pm:
I knew that I would get you on my side when I used math. lol

8321 posts
5/28/2006 11:02 pm

This is very simple, gerson.

You're making it difficult.

If it's your place, you do as you please and the female abides by your rules.

If it's her place, you by hers.

No debate.

No arguing.

If you are married or living together, then I doubt any argument or rationalization will work against a woman.

It's probably in your best interest to do what she wants, a lot less drama.


"My every move is a calculated step, to bring me closer to embrace an early death." -Tupac Shakur

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/29/2006 12:00 am:
Is this where I point out that I have 3 daughters. I am trained and trained well.
Toilet seat down, paper over the top, replace roll when used up, do not dribble, wash away whiskers after shaving. Dammit, and that is only the bathroom.

rm_cru1972 44M
4407 posts
5/29/2006 3:26 am

The next thing those womena re gonna say is they want us to sit down and pee like them so we don't miss

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/29/2006 9:22 am:
They make it hard for us to do our thing, yet we gotta take a stand.

GossipJunkie 40F

5/29/2006 9:01 am

I used to have a cat that would dig used Qtips out of the trash and toss them in the toilet where he then proceeded to "fish" for hours on end. My current furball would do the same, given the chance, so I always put the seat and lid down. Besides, what better way to see my furry, purple, lid cover, right?

"Dance like nobody's watching"

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/29/2006 9:23 am:
With all due respect, telling funny animal stories involving the lavatory will not make me want to put the seat down. lol

GlialSewerEuler 69M
73 posts
5/29/2006 12:01 pm

Unfortunately that is what has happened to alot of men who were raised by women! I know it is not very PC ( means Pussy Controlled) but women just don't know how to raise boys, there are some things that men teach there sons that don't make them into pacifist wimps and they can stand up for themselves! I'm not taliking about fist fights at school I am talking about chiveralry, honor, character and standing for something. Women think everything can be negotiated and men rule by strength and don't run and hide uder the bed eveytime someone says a negitive thing to them, as the current crop of female raised men do!!

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/29/2006 7:15 pm:
Im not gonna agree with the women don't know how to raise boys. I would say that men/fathers may teach certain lessons more effectively.

nottycara 36F

5/29/2006 12:22 pm

OOOooo did i hear MATHS??
*blushes* Yes please.
Maths cool.
Maths handy

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/29/2006 7:16 pm:
Nottycara, likes to use her noodle. This is good, very, very good.

sexyariesgirl 57F

5/29/2006 3:45 pm

My Sweet Baby ALWAYS puts the seat AND the lid down! Now he has me doing that really well for us. I solved the "over and under" thing with the tp by using a container with it stacked in it instead of a holder on the wall! (I always put it under and everyone else seems to put it over! lol) BUT when I was married and lived in a household with two my ass wet a few times and peed on the lid a time or two in the middle of the night!

Power To FOK

rm_gerson42 replies on 5/29/2006 7:18 pm:
Compromise, compromise, compromise. I am going to stop my hard stand, and recommend compromise.

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