Republican bashing??  

LooseDiodeTruce 52M
21 posts
9/7/2005 12:13 pm

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Republican bashing??

Okay I realize that it is en vogue to bash the republican party right now and how they did not respond to the tragedy in New Orleans. Sorry yes I am still on this topic. Okay for how long have we realized that NO is below sea level? I think since we bought the silly place from the French in the 1700's. Is it the pres's fault that the local governement didnt follow any plans that were put in place? So we are just all bashing the Pres, is that to divert the blame? I mean really Sen Clinton, The Mayor of NO, The Gov of NO, even Oprah is getting in on it. I am sure that Mr Farenheit 911 is wetting himself at the opportunity to make more money at the expense of someone else.
So who is really to blame here? Lets look at a few things.

In case you aren’t familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work:
>The chain of responsibility for the protection of the citizens in New
>Orleans is:
>1. The Mayor
>2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of
>the Governor who reports to the Governor)
>3. The Governor
>4. The Head of Homeland Security
>5. The President
>What did each do?
>1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced
>mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). The he failed to
>provide transportation for those without transport even though he had
>hundreds of buses at his disposal.
>2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan
>a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the
>Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much for political
>3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS
>BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal
>troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit.
>4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be
>ready when the Governor called for them
>5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster
>State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance,
>should the Governor decide to use it.
>Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the
>local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL
>The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt
>(democrat) government going all the way back to Huey Long.
>Funds for disaster protection and relief have been flowing into this city
>for decades, and where has it gone, but into the pockets of the politicos
>and their friends.
>Decades of socialist government in New Orleans has sapped all self reliance
>from the community, and made them dependent upon government for every
>Political correctness and a lack of will to fight crime have created the
>single most corrupt police force in the country, and has permitted gang
>violence to flourish.
>The sad thing is that there are many poor folks who have suffered and died
>needlessly because those that they voted into office failed them.
>For those who missed item 5 (where the President’s level of accountability
>is discussed), it is made more clear in a New Orleans Times-Picayune
>dated August 28:
>NEW ORLEANS (AP) – In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a
>mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin.
>Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists,
>would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for
>people to go, including the Superdome.
>The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave
>city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines
>had already cancelled all flights.
>Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said
>President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation
>the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding. (emphasis mine)
>The ball was placed in Mayor Nagin’s court to carry out the evacuation
> With a 5-day heads-up, he had the authority to use any and all services
>evacuate all residents from the city, as documented in a city emergency
>preparedness plan. By waiting until the last minute, and failing to make
>full use of resources available within city limits, Nagin and his
>administration f**ked up.
>Mayor Nagin and his emergency sidekick Terry Ebbert have displayed lethal,
>mind boggling incompetence before, during and after Katrina.
>As for Mayor Nagin, he and his profile in pathetic leadership police chief
>should resign as well. That city’s government is incompetent from one end
>the other. The people of New Orleans deserve better than this crowd of
>clowns is capable of giving them.
>If you’re keeping track, these boobs let 569 buses that could have carried
>33,350 people out of New Orleans‒in one trip‒get ruined in the floods.
>Whatever plan these guys had, it was a dud. Or it probably would have been
>if they’d bothered to follow it.
>As for all the race-baiting rhetoric and Bush-bashing coming from prominent
>blacks on the left, don’t expect Ray Nagin to be called out on the carpet
>for falling short. You want to know why? Here’s why:
>It’s more convenient to blame a white president for what went wrong than to
>hold a black mayor and his administration accountable for gross negligence
>and failing to fully carry out an established emergency preparedness plan.
>To hold Nagin and his administration accountable for dropping the ball
>amounts to letting loose the shouts and cries of “Racism!”. It’s sad, it’s
>wrong, but it’s standard operating procedure for the media and left-wing
>black leadership.
>Mark my words: you will not hear a word of criticism from Jesse Jackson
>Randall Robinson, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP, or Kanye West
>being directed toward Clarence Ray Nagin Jr. Why? Because he is just
>black politician instead of a responsible elected official who happens to
>black. In the mindset of more-blacker-than-thou blacks, black politicians
>who are on their side can do no wrong.

I know way too lengthy and yes this was copied from an email that has not been verified but I think it is pretty close to the truth. perhaps I should have put this as a magazine article...hmmmmm

frogger1995 39F

9/7/2005 7:27 pm

First off, no one NO ONE expected things to be as horribly bad as they were (yes even the feds and your precious BUSH).

Second it is typical of die-hard, blindly-following Bush supporters like you to blame the Chain of command, just as you point fingers at us Black people on the left for blaming Bush.

One of the things that Mayor Nagin was complaining about was the ridiculous bureaucracy that was in place (read: chain of responsibility) when people were dying on roof tops. Even if the local gov did screw up initially, the feds were able to step right in and DO SOMETHING, which they DIDN'T till days later...and when they finally did they were like you, pointing the finger at local gov and playing the race card (ironically) to cover their own asses.

Ohh gee the president has honored the city of New Orleans by flying Air Force One low to the ground in order to see the damage! Well now, that is what I call leadership!

We on the left also look to the fact that a third of LA's own national guard are currently taking care of non-us citizens thousands of miles away, when they should have been here in the first place. GEEEE I wonder whose fault that is.

I am prepared for a verbal bitch slap here but I am used to it from you guys.

rm_FY1955 63M
4 posts
9/7/2005 9:54 pm

Hey Frogger, I know many people like you. You never read nor listen to logic. The first finger pointer was? Yes, the wonderful mayor of New Orleans. He likes to wait until the it's too late. It's called mangement by crisis. If Bush would have waited like this mayor, old Saddam would have provided the terrorists with a WMD that would have caused more distruction than Katrina (that was the storms's name in case some didn't tell you that either). But YOU, miss frogger, would have said that Bush should have attacked Saddam before he got so strong. But again, you don't want to hear it because someone told you Bush was bad! Let's see more of your logic: If Bush takes over New Orleans early on, you would say he's trying to take control of a black mayor's duty. If he didn't visit, you would have said "why can't he even vist first hand". I guess someone would tell how to answer any senario so that Bush is the bad guy.

frogger1995 39F

9/8/2005 2:41 am

FY1995: I just love it when people try to read my thoughs. Thanks, by the way for clueing me in on the name of the HURRICANE since we on the left never read or anything.

I would also loooove to know your facts concerning WMDs. You guys are probably still holding fast to that tiny string of hope that proof will finally show up to prove us and THE REST OF THE WORLD wrong.

Oh, and no one needs to tell me Bush is bad...the evidence is quite clear.

LooseDiodeTruce 52M
7 posts
9/8/2005 7:15 am

Well actually Caroline was the real killer here. Yes Caroline the one that hit several years ago. That F5 convinced people to stay put and this F4 (Katrina) wouldnt be as bad. So instead people decided to stay put since they were given the option to stay.
What exactly are you defining as a WMD? How about all the chemical weapons that were stored and used on his own people? How about the several IED's that had chemical weapons attached to them? Weapons did exist there is no doubting that. Where they are now would be a more pertinent question regarding that. I think the bankroll that Iraq has/had and the fact that he (Saddam) was a supporter of terrorist actions consists of a WMD.
Oh and back to the chemical attacks that Saddam did on his own people. We gained a lot of knowledge regarding chemical weapons as a result of that.
I do think that the people of Iraq are in a much better situation without Saddam. I may hold the opinion that he wasnt the most immediate threat but he was someone that needed to be dealt with. I can even be convinced that "W" was finishing his fathers agenda.
You can hold whatever opinion you want of your President. You can even voice it as long as you aren't threatening him. Your military is out there defending your right to expression. The people of Iraq didnt have that option. They were living in fear of Saddam and his sons.

jim5131 55M
1296 posts
9/9/2005 3:12 pm

Good post...(easy, Frogger, eeeeaaasssyyy...) We all have opinions and I respect yours, but there is a LOT more news out there and the 'regular' media is reporting only a me on this. I am a Desert Storm vet and have kept a sharp ear to the ground..

I think enough playup on WMDs was overkill, the WMD portion was only a small part of the Feb 1991 Cease Fire Agreement. Iraq did NUMEROUS violations of UN sanctions, not to mention kicking out WMD inspectors, shooting at our aircraft in the No-Fly Zone, training terrorists at a camp south of Baghdad, hoarding intermediate-range ballistic missiles, etc...all were violations of the cease-fire agreement and enough, within themselves, to attack again.

The only grey area is the WMDs..the Keyhole Satellite photos of massive convoys going to the Bekka Valley in January of `03 shows we were too late to catch him red-handed. The French-made and newly-acquired Roland missile that shot down the first US place in the `03 airwar shows that Iraq had help...more violations.

If the UN isn't willing to enforce sanctions that they voted for UNANIMOUSLY (not to mention the 95-3 vote in our own Senate and the reason for the 1997 Cruise missile attacks during the Clinton Years) then why do we have a UN? I'm glad that someone is backing up the the form of our President.

I have many complaints and criticisms of his administration, but I can't expect him to be perfect. I understand that each ingredient in this culture, this economy, this government, this great country of ours cannot change without changing the entire stew. As Presidential administrations go..and I've seen a few...this one is only rivalled by the Reagan 2nd matter how the leftist media wants it spun.

This is quite the Sex `n Swinger blogsite, isn't it?

jim5131 55M
1296 posts
9/11/2005 12:02 pm

...and as a comparision, in WWII the Germans had several rail-mounted artillery pieces that required hundreds of men to operate. These giant cannon would log 4 tons shells dozens of miles and shelled Paris prior to the taking of the city. These were long as eight boxcars, not including support and ammunition cars.

After the war, NONE were ever found. Nobody seems to know what happened to them. Interesting.

From my military days and current contacts, I can tell you that what the media knows is only a small percentage of what the military knows. I used to laugh at the half-stories and wild guesses, the 'big' story that noboby even suspected and the things that run behind the curtain.

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