Western Civ 101  

rm_VoodooGuru1 49M
2116 posts
12/30/2005 5:42 pm

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Western Civ 101

I’ll begin this post with an apology for what may ostensibly seem like comment whoring.

Couple nights ago, after watching a rather disappointing vampire movie that was attempting to metaphorically discuss existentialism and moral relativism, I started thinking about Western Civilization. I was thinking about its merits, flaws, history... the people involved.

And then I wondered if others thought the same as me - if they had the same conclusions about these things.

I mean, even the lowliest mullet-head has enough self esteem to think that the world thinks like he does. We all assume rational people think like we do. To find truth, you have to challenge your own convictions.

So, for those of you inclined to think about these things, I’d like your response to this question: What defines Western Civilization; what makes it unique with respect to how other cultures developed through their political philosophy?

frogger1995 39F

12/30/2005 5:57 pm

Unfortunately...Christianity (or at least a warped verison of it).

craptoast 39M

12/30/2005 6:16 pm

celebrity. fascination of, reverence for, and its ultimate desire to witness tragedy. western civilation is all about technology and mass destruction.

rm_SultryVirgo 48F
567 posts
12/30/2005 7:09 pm

Greed and self loathing, all wraped up in a nice little package.


_Safira 53F
11260 posts
12/30/2005 10:56 pm

Good grief ... Now I have three questions on which I must think! Thanks ever much!

Seriously I will give this some thought and come back.


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rm_1hotwahine 63F
21091 posts
1/1/2006 6:54 pm

First of all, no one will accuse you of comment whoring for a question like this. (tongue in cheek humor0

'kay then...
Here's a phrase I've never written before - I'm with Frogger on this one.

Yeah, I'm still [blog 1hotwahine]

rm_1hotwahine 63F
21091 posts
1/1/2006 6:55 pm

Oh, and I must mention...you have a respectable level of blog hierarchy with Saf - I just read that she now has at least FOUR questions to ponder!

Yeah, I'm still [blog 1hotwahine]

rm_ladyBgood46 61F
65 posts
1/2/2006 1:16 pm

Was this question a belated Christmas present for moi? If so, thank you. If not, well you knew I was gonna weigh in on this, right

Most of the items mentioned by others are too new (celebrity/technology) and/or too provincial (Christianity). If you take in the entire sweep of human history and the entire sweep of the globe, too, I'd say that Western Civilization is distinguished by (1) a belief in the importance of the individual; (2) a belief that human beings are separate from nature; and (3) a belief that human beings can master nature, to a significant degree. "Man is the measure of all things," said Socrates, which pretty much started the ball rolling. All the major Western religions: Judaism, Christianity and yes, Islam as well, embody all three of these principles. It's only if you look only at the western world (and ignore Asia, Africa and the indigenous people of the Americas) that Islam/Byzantium looks "foreign."

rm_saintlianna 45F
15466 posts
1/2/2006 4:06 pm

My head hurts now. Thanks alot Hoo Doo, like I dont have enough problems with my brain, you will pay dearly for this. Oh yeah, ravenous christian mid-western loonies.

rm_VoodooGuru1 49M
2053 posts
1/3/2006 6:28 am

Check out these morose motherfuckers! You guys make me seem like Mr. Brightside.

ladyBgood46's thoughts are closest to my own on this, though I disagree with her in that, in the final analysis, I don't consider Islam to be part of Western Civilization. Therefore, sharing so much with Christianity, I can't consider it to be unique to WC, let alone essential.

WC predates teknolust, and though it does seem to have always had a thing for violence, that's hardly unique.

Greed is a biggie in WC, and is certainly derivative of the whole individual value thing, but is it unique to WC?

_Safira - still waiting, hon.

ladyBgood46 - thank you for your thoughtful comments.

[blog saintlianna] - you reveal too much, and that will be your downfall. Victory shall be mine!

tillerbabe 56F

1/3/2006 11:04 am

Huh? I don't like math! wait..this isn't math..but it sure feels like it!
Yeah what frogger said...the "warped" evangelistic Christian thing....

rm_corezon 53F
3376 posts
1/3/2006 12:22 pm

My thoughts travel along the same line as Ladybgood's also...WC greatly influenced by the Romantic era and the concept of the individual and self-deterministic fates...

The US in particular being futher influenced by the peasantry that flocked to it's shores in search of more of the same, and influenced by a growing rampant capitalism which is fueled by both technology AND the social rationalizations (as the profession of "Christianity" became the social "stamp" of righteousness) of traditional religious creeds...

where "Christianity", and the Zionic branch of Judaism have both, in fact, been influenced greatly and have largely unconsiously incorporated capitalism as part of their creed...

The negative influences of all the major religions have much more to do with the influence of unrecognized base human nature in the perversions of their exercise than the pure creeds, themselves...

rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
1/3/2006 5:14 pm

umm... i don't really know where it gets off calling itself civilisation ...

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rm_VoodooGuru1 49M
2053 posts
1/5/2006 5:37 am

tillerbabe - well, math is the language of God.

[blog corezon] - "peasantry"???

[blog FreeLove999] - our language, our words, our definitions. Civilization is the word we give to our culture.

And despite the suicidal way we treat the environment, Western Civilization is still vastly superior to tribal cultures that actually value things like ignorance and pride over the individual.

rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
1/17/2006 12:12 am

which tribal cultures are you referring to? i think western "civilization" does a damn good job of valuing its own ignorance and pride... i don't think there is any great virtue in the individual, and the valuing of community and ubuntu that i encounter in the people around me is a good one. individualism is such rubbish -- all of us are made by the many others around us.

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