Well, I Guess You Can Just Call Me Lefty  

rm_MariGrrl 39F
2485 posts
5/30/2006 11:21 am

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Well, I Guess You Can Just Call Me Lefty

The following is a copy of the comment I left on the post Political Dissent - Why Leftists Hate President Bush So Much on TTigerAtty's Blog I normally don't get into political debates on here. But, this time I just couldn't stop myself. This post of his has developed into a pretty good debate. Definatley worth checking out no matter what side of the fence you are on.

I was raised to believe in the actions of our politicians, of their ability to do the job at hand not only with intelligence and thought. But, with diplomacy as well. Prior to this last election I was registered as an independent. After seeing this administrations lack of integrity and poor diplomatic skills, I registered democrat. I do tend to lean towards the left on many issues. However, I have voted for republicans in the past as well. The direction Bush is taking our country frankly scares me.

When Bush went after Osama, he had my support. I'm sorry but, I do not believe invading Iraq was necessary. I support our troops, I love America... But, I question our president. Theodore Roosevelt once said (sorry paraphrasing here) it is our duty to support our president only insofar as he supports the people of our nation. I do not feel that Bush has the first clue what many Americans are going through.

I also feel that his diplomatic skills lack depth or insight. Not all nations can be democratized. Perhaps someday, Iraq would have been ready to run their own government through peaceful means. Right now I just don't see that happening. Meanwhile, our American Heros are over there doing all they can to help build a nation where our help is greatly resented. My husband and many of the people that I care most about have done tours in Iraq. I love our troops. I cry for them when they deploy. I cry tears of joy when they return. I live on an Army base. I see the impact of this war everyday. I am proud to be an American. I just disagree with the reasons we are there.

Also, if invading Iraq was such a good idea then why did George H.W. Bush oppose it? Rumsfeld made his case for this invasion over a decade ago. Why is it that GW's predecessors were so hesitant? Because they were diplomats. They (GW's father and Clinton) understood that this is about more than just Iraq. Distancing ourselves from our other allies puts us in harms way...even more so than any threat Saddam could have concocted.

All of that said, I must add that although I disagree with your opinions, I respect you're right to have them. But, please keep in mind that many of us are not simply "Bush Haters" or "Band Wagon Jumpers".


I guess I should add that although I am not a hateful band wagon jumper... I do enjoy poking fun at our prez now and then. But, hey, if we couldn't make fun out of our presidents SNL would have gone off the air decades ago.

I've also decided to add a link to the post that led TTigerAtty to write his post... [post 353960] written by TakeTheMoneyRUN This one has inspired a pretty decent debate as well.


n0tatalker 39M

5/30/2006 6:22 pm

y0u knew y0u were g0nna get me over there just so y0u c0uld watch me destroy him huh?


pandoo5 59M
398 posts
5/30/2006 7:01 pm

Mgrrl thanks for commenting my blog and I was reading Bush I would like to take you little back in politics when USA had problem in Iran and Saddam was the pawn used and trained for that reason by CIA director Mr big Bush so politics can have some personal reasons to, I hate to talk on politics because every one have personal understanding for it and people get excited for nothing.


norprin5 55M

5/30/2006 7:12 pm

dubya scares me too...

i just wish someone could help me understand, when there are so many homeless, hungry and dying people everywhere, why are so many billions - trillions? - of dollars being spent on making more homeless, hungry and dying...

King Nor XVIII


n0tatalker 39M

5/30/2006 7:23 pm

    Quoting rm_MariGrrl:
    Alright, I just got back from reading your comment. Very concise (as I expected). Can't wait to see what the response is.

    And I'm very proud of you... you kept the fists above the belt.
well if y0u're fightin a w0man... whats the p0int?


flagg134 36M
1582 posts
5/31/2006 12:15 am

Don't get me started there is no way that man should be allowed in office. First of all he was never truly elected in the 2000 election the whole florida scandal. Then in '04 they admitted to fixing the votes in Ohio actually signed sworn statements to that fact. Bush used 9/11 and non-existent WMD's as an excuse to start a war with Iraq. Possibly for personal reasons or perhaps for business reasons regarding oil and arms manufacturers.

I think our presence there is unjustified but at this point we haven't much choice left considering all the damage we have done to the country. It doesn't seem like we will be getting out of there anytime during his presidency. Lastly how can we support a president who would sell out his country. Keeping a traitor like Karl Rove on the payroll. Keeping that man around shows a disregard for national security how can you blow an intelligence operatives in the consideration of security throwing away years of work due to a personal difference.

I don't like discussing politics but I will post this on TTIgeratty's blog.

Good post

RF


flagg134 36M
1582 posts
6/1/2006 3:43 pm

    Quoting rm_MariGrrl:
    I see that a few of you have also left comments on TTiger's blog. I read them and his responses and just have one question... How can he accuse us of being bitter? Why is it okay for him to insult our intelligence and resort to name calling?

    I posted this in the spirit of respectful disagreement. Now, I'm just pissed. When liberals resort to these tactics its a "sign of our lowbrow mentality" or "anti-americanism". So how come he can belittle our views?

    Granted, his response to my comment was quite polite. However, other commentors who like me did not resort to name calling and stated their case eloquently were insulted.

    This is especially true with flagg's comment. He left the same comment there that he left here. It's full of facts, not slander and yet TTiger suggested that he could benefit from listening to Rush Limbaugh.

    I have listened to Rush. I read literature from both sides. That way when I argue my case or form my opinions I am doing so with all the information that is available. All that info tells me that Rush is very misinformed on just about every issue he discusses. His ranting and hatred (along with his name calling) digusts me. We're hateful... okay, whatever. Rush isn't? BULLSHIT... this is the same man that calls women's rights activists "feminazis". He compares our journey to equality with those evil masses that slaughtered the jews. Nothing could be more insulting than that.
Notice why I don't like to discuss politics and/or religion. These are beliefs that are hard to change. Personally I don't think arguing with him will be fruitful. Rather more like impossible some people become zealots over what they think and if you disagree then you shouldn't speak. Worse if you have a good point to bring up then they deny it rather than think it over. It saddens me to see someone with such a closed mind.

Generally I vote based on what I feel the candidates stands are on the issues of import to me and I have crossed party lines albeit rarely. I have listened to both sides as well I do with everything its the only way to get an realistic opinion on the subject and to see points you wouldn't find from the other side. Unfortunately he resorts to mud slinging by throwing terms such as being a leftist and deciding that all liberals must be idiots and propaganda followers. Don't get me wrong there are liberals out there who can be like that I'm not like that though.

I am just as pissed as you however I can't endeavor to be bothered with someone like him its just wasting time. Thanks for taking a stand in lieu of me.

RF


blueguy1051 60M

6/1/2006 4:38 pm

Sorry hon, but I've got to disagree with you. There is no debate over there, just a dittohead spouting trash and a bunch of demented intellectuals trying to debate him. I say demented, because no one of sound mind attempts to hold a rational debate with an irrational opponent ...


rm_kelli4u2dew 41F
5220 posts
6/1/2006 6:19 pm

Sounds like a Marxist diatribe to me!

He has another post inviting a "polite rational discussion without name calling" on Iraq. Wanna head on over there and beat your head against the wall some more?


RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
6/2/2006 9:28 am

Mari, you are welocme to relax over at Copperhead Road. I think you'll find the company fun. Just got back from Tiger's dump. Did some cage rattling. Liked Takethe money's better. But shooting at neocons IS enjoyable. They are SUCH easy targets.

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
6/2/2006 9:35 am

And unlike Kerry, Clelland, and most Liberals/democrats, I fight dirty. Just like republicans. He's having problems over there. It's hard to return fire when you've been declawed and nutted. Keep up the good fight. Joe

notatalker--good show.

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
6/2/2006 10:27 am

Well Mari, thanks for the invite, and I do believe I'll drop by. Glad youy got a chuckle outta that. Humor is often the best way to deflate a windbag. I really try to have fun with my toys. Love your attitude and your blog. Keep on keepin' on. Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
6/2/2006 11:09 am

    Quoting rm_MariGrrl:
    Thanks for the invite. I'll have to swing over there sometime. But, this weekend I'm having a party right here and you are welcome to come.

    Also, I have to tell you I really got a good chuckle from your comments over at Tiger's place. Especially the part about being bested by some of the women around here.
Well you must admit that the ladies did indeed do a number on his pompous ass. It was such fun to watch. WE LOVE chicks in chainmail. Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


rm_MariGrrl replies on 6/2/2006 3:26 pm:
Yes it was fun and I must admit I've always wanted to get one of those warrior princess outfits. Might come in handy in 2008...lol.

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