WE ARE IN TROUBLE!!!!!  

rm_Kissmystuff 61F
2665 posts
5/18/2006 7:45 am

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WE ARE IN TROUBLE!!!!!

While there's absolutely nothing wrong with watching entertainment..like "American Idol"..it's scary when it shows up on "news" programs as news..and when that's the only type of programming..people watch or listen to. Many people..adults mind you don't know who their Representatives in Congress are..or what's going on in the world.

Shouldn't there be some kind of training or something..about issues that face us as a nation and as members of the global society. Perhaps..it should be provided to all who want to vote..and then a test given to make sure we understand..all sides of an issue..before given a ballot and allowed to vote.

Ya..I know..it's been used before to stop people from exercising their legal right to vote. Black folks showing up at polls only to be given something to read in Chinese and told they have to read and interpret it in order to vote.. while the White folks just signed up. Obviously it would have to be fair.

Maybe it's just me..but it disturbs me greatly that someone who thinks a "filibuster" is a Dairy Queen treat..is helping to decide the fate of the country.


Kiss


rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
5/18/2006 9:22 am

hmmm... speaking on south african terms, i really wouldn't want to exclude the millions of uneducted south africans from the vote (we don't even exclude prisoners from voting here). those uneducated south africans are primarily the ones who saw to the end of fascism here, and who earned the right to choose. i do find it disturbing how ill-informed many are, the world over, regarding how exactly the global system works and how power works. i definitely think it is a deliberate move by governments to keep people ill-informed, and since most of the media all over the world is owned by huge capitalist conglomerates they also have a vested interest in people not understanding the system that rules them.

ultimately, i guess, it's just up to those of us who do know to keep on informing those who don't -- and with the medium of the internet we do have more power now than we ever had to reach the multitudes. unfortunately tho, as i've found out while being here, many still opt for willful blindness and since facing up to --- just as one example, the US role in global domination --- seems to be too threatening, cling on to whatever they've been told already, which is far more comforting!

altho my dream is for a free and fair world (or at least a lot more free and fair than things currently are), in general, i think if i can't achieve that alone, then at least i can put my energies into holding back the tide of TOTAL domination and TOTAL control that is described so terrifying in George Orwell's 1984 (which btw, i think is one of the most singularly terrifying books i've ever read, ito of how strikingly similar it is to our world today (e.g. the obsession with watching others in reality tv).



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rm_Kissmystuff 61F
1435 posts
5/18/2006 10:29 am


Dusty...

Free...


I don't really expect..nor would I really advocate..testing as a means of qualifying to vote. I'm just basically voicing my frustration here. But I do feel strongly..that people need to get their heads out of their TV's and really start to inform themselves..to make intelligent decisions before they vote on any candidate for any office or on any issue. I also believe in judging people by what they do..not by what say. Talk is cheap.

Kiss


rm_Kissmystuff 61F
1435 posts
5/18/2006 10:34 am

Hi bbwDD...

Like I said to Dusty and Free..I don't really advocate testing to qualify for voting rights. There's too much chance of it being abused..and people being marginalized. But..I do think there are ways to be better informed than many of us are. It takes being more serious about our right to vote and taking the time to dig for the information. It is sad to say however..that all too often..the foreign press is a better source of accurate information than our own press.

Kiss


Nightguy_1961 55M
4866 posts
5/18/2006 11:22 am

Kiss,

The problem, in my humble opinion, starts at the grass roots level. I was fortunate that I had family that pushed the value of education. I read and I engage in critical thinking on a daily basis. So if and when I do vote (I have become disgusted with the entire political circus), I think I have a firm handle on the issues.

But it seems nowadays, the education system has fallen to a level that would be laughable if it wasn't so disturbing. And parents are now so busy trying to 'get it all', that they leave teaching their kids to strangers...and it's not that easy. Parents need to be involved with their kids education and to make changes if something is lacking in that education. I guess that's why so many are getting involved in the home schooling phenomenom.

As far as getting my information, I try to look at all types of input, use critical thinking to sort out the chaff, and what I have left is something that I can use...I hope that makes sense.

Just my viewpoint....

NG61...fading back into the shadows...


rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
5/18/2006 2:20 pm

(no, i didn't really think you were advocating testing ...!! i was just trying to talk to some of the frustrations!!)



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RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
5/18/2006 3:10 pm

It's called the dumbing down of America. The gov't DOESN'T WANT intelligent votes, they want sheep. Take a look at the blogs that get the most attention. How many are politically based? Not many I'll bet. Americans today DON'T WANT to get involved. It's too much effort. Makes them think. I like the idea in the movie "Starship Troopers". Service guarentees citizenship. You could only vote AFTER you had served your country in some way, either military or otherwise. This service would INCLUDE mandatory civics type courses. No exceptions. And then make voting MANDATORY for ALL citizens. You don't vote, you're fined. Make voting a privilage, an honor, and a responsibility. Something to be proud of.

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


Nightguy_1961 55M
4866 posts
5/18/2006 5:28 pm

    Quoting RevJoseyWales:
    It's called the dumbing down of America. The gov't DOESN'T WANT intelligent votes, they want sheep. Take a look at the blogs that get the most attention. How many are politically based? Not many I'll bet. Americans today DON'T WANT to get involved. It's too much effort. Makes them think. I like the idea in the movie "Starship Troopers". Service guarentees citizenship. You could only vote AFTER you had served your country in some way, either military or otherwise. This service would INCLUDE mandatory civics type courses. No exceptions. And then make voting MANDATORY for ALL citizens. You don't vote, you're fined. Make voting a privilage, an honor, and a responsibility. Something to be proud of.
Excellent idea....except....

When Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers, he was subtly taking shots at the totalitarian state that Earth was under in the story: the forced service, denied citizenships, etc...

I agree that people should take pride and responsibility in their nation's well being. My dad was always of the mindset that everyone should serve at least two years in the military reserves, then afterwards receive certain priviledges: college aid, help with funding for a house, etc.

I agree that there is a dumbing down of America...but who do you blame? I blame the media; commercials back in the late 70's were said to be on the level of understanding for an eight year old...I shudder to think what that level is now....

Just my viewpoint.....excellent post fastfifties...my compliments.

NG61...fading back into the shadows...


RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
5/18/2006 7:04 pm

    Quoting Nightguy_1961:
    Excellent idea....except....

    When Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers, he was subtly taking shots at the totalitarian state that Earth was under in the story: the forced service, denied citizenships, etc...

    I agree that people should take pride and responsibility in their nation's well being. My dad was always of the mindset that everyone should serve at least two years in the military reserves, then afterwards receive certain priviledges: college aid, help with funding for a house, etc.

    I agree that there is a dumbing down of America...but who do you blame? I blame the media; commercials back in the late 70's were said to be on the level of understanding for an eight year old...I shudder to think what that level is now....

    Just my viewpoint.....excellent post fastfifties...my compliments.

    NG61...fading back into the shadows...
Thank you for the compliment NG. It's appreciated. I know that was Heinlein's intent, but honestly I kinda like the concept. I think it could work, and make being a citizen something to be cherished again. I think most of us have forgotten what a privilage and honor citizenship is.

Who do I blame? Honestly I'm not sure. The parents, most certainly. The educational process begins at home. The higher ups in the Education field, for not standing up to backwoods school boards and idiot politicians. Politicians, for not having the balls to stand up to religious freaks and PC assholes. The media is only a tool. It doesn't create nor enforce policy. Humans do that. Any wonder why I don't like 'em much?

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


ArgosPlumyKooky 45F
3902 posts
5/18/2006 9:39 pm

lol i am always offended when i see on the news what i have attempted to avoid by not otherwise watching tv!


rm_Kissmystuff 61F
1435 posts
5/18/2006 10:20 pm

I'm tired right now. And as I look at all these comments..I do want to respond to each of you. I will come back to answer each individually..tomorrow. But for now..I'll just address this comment to the group.. Thank you first of all for caring about the topic. I have to wonder sometimes..just where people's heads are at.

When I get frustrated with people..with things..and the way of the world..I step back..so to speak..and look down at the issue..like on a chess board.

Some things to consider about what's going on in the world..and in this country. We are being effected on all levels of our lives. ALL LEVELS. I can't stress that enough.

1. Consider our food supply.

a. Often times our produce..has lingering pesticides. Some our food has been genetically altered. Articles in the foreign press has revealed studies..that have shown that altered produce has an effect on the reproductive system of rats. What is it doing to people?

b. Fast food restaurants..processed foods in the grocery stores..have chemicals in them that are full of carcinogens. Some of these chemicals have mood altering properties in that they can cause a fast high..and then you crash..as it wears off. Refined sugar..for instance is a drug. You will actually have withdrawal symptoms when you stop eating it.

c. The hormones..in some of the meat products we eat. You've probably seen first hand what hormones can do in a woman's body..in terms of mood.

d. Maybe we should be looking at what the permanent effects are on our systems. Really look at people around you. You can tell what their diet is like..simply by the condition of their skin..their hair..their eyes. You can tell if someone drinks a lot of alcohol..you can tell someone eats meat..whether they drink enough water..etc. Their health..or lack there of..shows in their face.

2. drugs..

The pharmaceutical companies..doctors and the government..are the biggest pushers of drugs there are. All seem to have joined forces when it comes to pushing them at us. Getting as many hooked..dependent on a variety of them..as opposed to actually curing the disease it's supposed to be helping. What is this pseudo addition and outright encouraged dependency doing to our population?

3. Television and video games.

a. You let something into your mind often enough..it has it's effect on you. TV..to my way of thinking is a way to keep people distracted from real life..and things we should be concerned about. It's a way to shape..manipulate and control the mind set of a population. Feed the population..the information you want it to have..instill fear..suspicion and foster resentment and animosity among different groups. Keep them fighting each other.

b. Subliminal suggestion..although this is a technique of mind control and manipulation that was supposedly outlawed years ago..I see some of the ads shown..coming pretty close to it. And given some of what has been going on in this country..especially in recent years..I have to wonder..they may be using it..in spite of the law.

c. We are encouraged to consume more and more..to buy more and more. A product is created and the ad agencies go to work to "create a market" for it.

4. Education..

Much of it is a joke. While I'm sure that there are good teachers out there..this is one field that is not a priority..with our government..and seemingly with our people. Our kids..are the future..and we seem unwilling to invest in them. Our teachers are paid poorly. Our schools are funded..poorly. Much of the time..parents do not take the interest needed in the schools and in their children's education. I don't know..maybe..some of these parents are just too tired and run down..to muster the energy needed to put in the time needed to address these problems. The inner city schools receive about a third of what's spent in the suburbs. And it seems that more and more..education will be again..reserved for the wealthy.

Jobs...

Well..here..we look at unions being broken. Salaries in decline. More and more people loosing their homes..loosing their jobs due to "down sizing". If they're lucky enough to find another..they don't earn as much. People loosing their health insurance..but more and more people getting sick.

The environment..helping to make people sick..the diet..the prescription medicines..non prescription drugs..all adding to the problems.

It's like a spider's web..all connected..interconnected.

I'm rambling here folks..time for me to go to bed..I'm tired. I hope you understand what it is I've been trying to say here..that it makes sense to you.

Kiss

Kiss


Nightguy_1961 55M
4866 posts
5/19/2006 4:39 am

    Quoting rm_mzhunyhole:
    I'm one of those who don't know nothing about politics..who knows more about American Idol..thats pretty pitiful..ain't it?..and at my age too.I should care..big time.
But we still love ya anyways....


RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
5/19/2006 9:17 am

Yeah, Kiss I think we DO understand. That's why we're here. You always make sense. And so nicely too. Joe

Mz Huny, never too late to learn or get involved.

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


redswallow777 48M
6810 posts
5/19/2006 9:08 pm

I agree.....


rm_Kissmystuff 61F
1435 posts
5/20/2006 2:40 pm

    Quoting Nightguy_1961:
    Kiss,

    The problem, in my humble opinion, starts at the grass roots level. I was fortunate that I had family that pushed the value of education. I read and I engage in critical thinking on a daily basis. So if and when I do vote (I have become disgusted with the entire political circus), I think I have a firm handle on the issues.

    But it seems nowadays, the education system has fallen to a level that would be laughable if it wasn't so disturbing. And parents are now so busy trying to 'get it all', that they leave teaching their kids to strangers...and it's not that easy. Parents need to be involved with their kids education and to make changes if something is lacking in that education. I guess that's why so many are getting involved in the home schooling phenomenom.

    As far as getting my information, I try to look at all types of input, use critical thinking to sort out the chaff, and what I have left is something that I can use...I hope that makes sense.

    Just my viewpoint....

    NG61...fading back into the shadows...
NG...
It makes a lot of sense..and I happen to agree. There are school systems that are successful in teaching our children. There are some parents with become involved with their children's education. I was one such parent. The sad thing is..that more parents don't get involved. There seems to be a malaise in this country..about too many things. Maybe people are just overwhelmed by the scope..and feel it's useless.

I'm lucky also..in that I got a very good education. I went to parochial schools from the first through the twelfth grades. If nothing else..I can say the Catholics ran excellent educational programs in their schools.

Kiss


rm_Kissmystuff 61F
1435 posts
5/20/2006 2:47 pm

    Quoting rm_Dysgyzed:
    *busts out laughing incredulously* I must have missed the filibuster fiasco before now!

    Excellent picture. Indeed, the fools are dancing over the edge...just not quickly enough to shut them up.

    *sigh* I think that if people just HALF understood the issues and voted, we may have a better chance of seeing some change. Perhaps if we got them to the polls, we could then educate. As it is...fools lead fools, and we may all go over the edge.

    I watched the Spike Lee documentary, "Four Little Girls" about that horrendous bombing of the Alabama church in 1963 murdering four beautiful children. As part of the segway, there were pictures of the common lynchings...all horrific, but the one that was burned into my mind was the one of the man swinging with a sign that said "This nigger voted."

    Tears, tears, tears. A whole ocean of tears.

    The only thing I can say is that it's images like that which cause me to renew my commitment to make sure sick shit like that never happens again. Perhaps, only perhaps, that man's murder had some purpose other than giving monsters the chance to rule.

    And the sick fucker that bombed the church...CONVICTED! HA!!!! (The other three partially reponsible...my Viking leanings come out to scream...FULL PUNISHMENT AFTER ALL!!!!)

    Can't end on that note here at your place, Kiss, so I can say...

    THANKS FOR STANDING, MY DEAR! I'm right behind you.
Dys...

The remark about the filibuster was made by a woman at my daughter's house..during a party one evening. I just had to shake my head..and that remark..stayed on my memory. It's wonderful to know that people such as yourself..and the other commenting here..are standing and speaking out. It does restore some of my faith. It gets a bit hard sometimes..to keep it.

Kiss


rm_Kissmystuff 61F
1435 posts
5/20/2006 2:57 pm

    Quoting RevJoseyWales:
    It's called the dumbing down of America. The gov't DOESN'T WANT intelligent votes, they want sheep. Take a look at the blogs that get the most attention. How many are politically based? Not many I'll bet. Americans today DON'T WANT to get involved. It's too much effort. Makes them think. I like the idea in the movie "Starship Troopers". Service guarentees citizenship. You could only vote AFTER you had served your country in some way, either military or otherwise. This service would INCLUDE mandatory civics type courses. No exceptions. And then make voting MANDATORY for ALL citizens. You don't vote, you're fined. Make voting a privilage, an honor, and a responsibility. Something to be proud of.
Fastfifties...
Who knows..maybe some day it may actually come to that.

I think you're correct..in that there are those in government who would prefer that people not really be well informed about the issues. This is one way of keeping their power. While..as stated..I don't really advocate testing as a way of qualifying to vote..education is something that certainly needs to happen. I think we need to take that responsibility for ourselves. Listen and read..not just those things that you agree with..but all sides of the issues. Then make up your mind. I also don't just take someone's word. I like to look at their past record. Like the saying goes.."talk is cheap"

Kiss


rm_Kissmystuff 61F
1435 posts
5/20/2006 3:04 pm

    Quoting ArgosPlumyKooky:
    lol i am always offended when i see on the news what i have attempted to avoid by not otherwise watching tv!
Snatch...

This is one of the reasons I don't watch much TV. I listen to public radio..that seems to give all sides of the issues. I also listen to the BBC. I subscribe to various on line news papers..and try to say abreast of different viewpoints. I think part of being a citizen..is being informed. But then..that's just my opinion.

Kiss


rm_Kissmystuff 61F
1435 posts
5/20/2006 3:24 pm

    Quoting rm_mzhunyhole:
    I'm one of those who don't know nothing about politics..who knows more about American Idol..thats pretty pitiful..ain't it?..and at my age too.I should care..big time.
MzHuny...

You lady..I'd like to shake sometimes. I see some of your self deprecating remarks..and would just like to shake you.

The word politic..is just a word. A rose by any other name. The dictionary..gives these words..as a definition: shrewd..prudent..artful..sagacious..expedient..judicious. If you're a mother..who's raised her children..you've had to negociate through life..using those qualities. I suspect that it's the word..politics..and the posturing..that you see from politicians that scare you. One thing I learned long ago..is that people..in any craft..or occupation will use words and terms..as a means of lending importance and mystery to their profession. Politics..is merely another profession.

You may not know the ins and outs..or all the terms..but I have noticed that you have a good heart. You can always educate yourself about the issues..it's never too late to learn. I also suspect that you do care..from some of what I've read on your blog. It's regretable that you can't transfer some of your honesty and loving spirit to some of those politicians out there.

Kiss


rm_Kissmystuff 61F
1435 posts
5/20/2006 3:34 pm

    Quoting bbwDDs4XXX:
    This is a very thought provoking post. As I said I do try to learn about the issues relevant to the our times. I do love America but I don't find it as good and honorable as what I was taught in school. The government is for the big companies, themselves and the lobbyists. They do not consider what us, the people want and need. Our entertainers and sports figures are paid more than people that teach us, nurses, doctors and others that serve us. PEACE~
bbwDDs...
I'm glad you came by to take part in the discussion. No..what we learned in school..isn't really what happened in history. There are some bits of truth..a lot are lies. But as I've pointed out before..it's the victors who write the history..to say what they want it to say.

Sad to say..but I believe there is a time coming in our country..when we will see class riots..and possibly..marshall law declared.

Kiss


rm_Kissmystuff 61F
1435 posts
5/20/2006 3:47 pm

    Quoting rm_Trillogy:
    I am certainly not in favor of mandatory voting. In fact, I don't even encourage voting. I guess the reason is I feel most Americans don't vote their own best interests. Our political races are filled with slogans, true or not and people buy into them. If I don't know about the candidates in a race, mainly the judgeships, I leave that blank. I would rather not vote than vote for someone that could do more harm than good.

    So, the less people that vote, the more mine counts!

    I also don't want "tests" for voters. To often this could be used to help the power elite or for corupt reasons. But, I certainly understand the frustration and feel it, with voters that don't study the issues. And, straight party line voters are just plain stupid.
Trillogy...

Thanks for coming by and commenting. I don't believe people should be forced to vote..nor do I believe there should be testing. Again..I was voicing a frustration.

I've never considered myself as belonging to one party..as opposed to another. It doesn't matter to me. If I like what that person stands for..I will vote for them regardless of party. But..I don't just take what they say..at face value. I make it a point to look up their record..what they've done regarding issues in the past.

When someone asks my opinion..I tell them. My blogs..I'm more free with. I say what's on my mind..without waiting to be asked. I don't try to force my views on anyone. People are free to agree or disagree. But I tell people..do it from a point of knowledge..don't just mouth the sound bites. And by all means..make yourself aware of the history.

Kiss


rm_Kissmystuff 61F
1435 posts
5/20/2006 4:08 pm

Redswallow...

Always good to see you. Thanks for stopping by.

Free...

You mentioned the book "1984" by George Orwell. It is indeed a frightening look at a future..which seems to forming..here and now. There was also a movie..based on the book..staring Jan Sterling..and Edmund O'Brien. I saw that movie. It was in black and white..and even without the technology of today..it was still a chilling portrayal. I'm aware that a more recent movie of the novel..was made staring John Hurt. That one..I did not see.

There is another book..by Margaret Atwood.."The Handmaid's Tale". It's well worth reading. It portrays a government takeover by the religious right..in a country very much like the United States. The totalitarian government which replaces democracy..presents a very chilling scenario..that speaks to much of what we see happening today. There was also a movie made..staring Natashia Richardson..Faye Dunaway and Robert Duvall.

Kiss


rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
5/22/2006 11:13 am

yeah, the handmaids tale is also really really scary -- one of my all time favourite books -- altho i found 1984 more claustrophobic and stifling.



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