pissing on the stars and stripes  

rm_Gaeb 38M
129 posts
12/8/2005 4:45 pm

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pissing on the stars and stripes

ok... now im pissed off... and if it so happens that im pissing some of u off by posting this, so be it... write a blog about it... leave comments... do whatever... i dont care...

see... the story goes like this...

yesterday goddessofbitches posted a blog called TOUCH ME PLZ!!! (sorry mandy, not trying to drag u into this - c it as a referal to a great post on a great blog...) anacordes left a comment on this blog, mentioning tantra, and describing it as being new age, so i thought i'll do him a favour by pointing out that tantra is NOT new age, but budhist.

typical arogant yank, he didnt want to be proven wrong, so this evening i got an email from him:

Responding to your blog post to me:
Have YOU been to Hollywood USA?
Have you been to California?
Have you been to USA?
If not, please do not tell me YOU are the authority on all Sacred Sex such as Tantra..
Namaste
------ Profile Attached -------
Magick ~ Tantra practitioner : attended Tantra School in Boulder CO.
Experience and openness and cuddling are keys to this student of life; he has already been around the the world and has traveled extensively.
Here is an Eagle scout,student of Tantra, a guy that went on to become a US Army Captain and Vietnam expert.


this was my reply:

listen up... and listen VERY CARFULLY...

thank fuck i havnt been to hollywood... thank fuck i havnt been to california... thank fuck i havnt been to the usa... u ppl make me fucking sick!!! u realy think u bunch of hilbillies invented tantra??? typical american asshole... think ur so fucking great!

tantra is a branch of the buddha... it just happens to be sharing a name with a sexual system... (which by the way, thank fuck again, is not a american invension). the point i made on the blog is that it has nothing to do with new age, which might well come from america, seeing that it is completly warped and devoid...

budhism and tantra is much much older than you hilbillies think... once again, u stole something and call it american... just like the all american meal... hamburgers from germany and fries from france...

stupid fucking dipshit... in 63 years i would have hope you managed to acumilate something between ur ears, but alas...

god save america my ass... pitty the arabs didnt fuck u up better...

now... stop wasting my time and crawl back into your hole!


y is it that americans r so full of shit? (or full of themselves... makes no diffs to me...) y is it that even my computer INSISTS on capitalizing "america" and "american"? what have america or americans (both WITHOUT capitols, plz note), ever done for the greater good of humanity? well... they did fuck up in nam, (a war that had nothing to do with them), they fucked up in iraq, (a war that was twice not even supposed to have happened), and, they SURE AS HELL DID NOT INVENT TANTRA!!!

u r right about one thing anacordes, im no expert on tantra - im just a budhist. i dont pretent to be an expert on something that im not an expert on, because u c, im not american, as u noticed. thank god for that. but, since you had to go to fuck-school, i guess that makes u an expert... pitty they dont teach u where it comes from.

god save america my ass!

i post this here for 2 reasons:

1) im not sure if our american friend got my reply email - he might be in class at fuck-school - so if anyone reading this knows him, send him hither...

2) id like to know what u think about this so-called american supremicy and the fact that they think themselves god, while actualy... well... lets not get nasty now...

(post denied once... american editors u c )

Bye for now and happy fucking...

...



rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
12/9/2005 12:24 am

ranting?? don't sweat the small stuff... talk to me...



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nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/9/2005 8:00 am

You do realize that america's people are mostly from other countries right? Im not saying your wrong about the tantra thing. America has similar things to other countries simply because thats where we come from..OTHER COUNTRIES...you generalize a people that YOU hail from because americans are from England, Germany, France, Mexico, the list goes on. The only TRUE americans are the Native Americans so let me ask you who shit all over them? Was it Spain?, England?, France? ALL OF EUROPE took thier turn...So just remeber where us AMERICANS come from ok


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/9/2005 9:16 am

night... dont cme with shit arguments... u had hundreds of years to become american... no country in the world is without foreigners... according to ur theory were ALL babilonian... so dont even come with the germans and mexicans and fuck knows who else in america... they dont exist acording to you - they're all babilonian right?


GB_Cple 66M/55F  
3042 posts
12/9/2005 9:51 am

Don't waste your time even trying to argue with the brainwashed, it is pointless, A country that counts and salutes it's own dead, but is incapable of even counting the dead of the innocents they kill, is not worth saving, or even talking too


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/9/2005 10:18 am

GB: the worst evil is for good men to do nothing

dont worry bout the american dead thou... they're not american aparently... lol its a damn pitty...


nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/9/2005 10:40 am

If you're religous sure...Im not...What Im trying to say here and I guess the point was lost is that we are all people no matter what country we are from. You cant blaim every single american for everything that america's governement does. Why hate a people just because they are from a certain country that just makes you look like a biggot. Its every bit as bad as hateing people based on thier race. I will not disagree that our govenment isnt a corrupt one. To call us all arrogant only shows arrogance on your part. Its the same as me saying that all british people are smug assholes who can't walk very well with the stick implanted in their asses. But our heritage is from everywhere in the world. You are saying that we took the hamburger and the french fry...no we didnt...we have germans here we have french here...we didnt steal shit it was brought here. EVERYTHING was including its people. Im not some religious zealot trying to push my beliefs on to someone and I would be offended by ANYONE who assumed so...

We've had hundreds of years to become america well thats true...but that doesnt change our heritage one bit. Its still the same people. Im so fucking sick and tired of people who DONT live here bitching and complaining about our country but if they were allowed to move here and live here their opinion quickly changes WTF is that shit. My point is this country was FOUNDED by people of other countries. Sure every country has foreigners but where they FOUNDED by them?..

You seem to think we are all them same. Thats narrowminded. Thats the same kind of thinking that people like Hitler had...oh where was he from again?..Dont get me wrong there are plenty of people in my own country that I loath very much...dumbass Neo Nazis and racists from all colors would be a start. Our own government who is bascially invadeing Iraq for the oil...I wont deny any of that. Takeing out Saddam I think was a good thing..but that was only an excuse to go in and take over. However the IDEAL of how america is supposed to be...freedome...that I hold dear...that is what the flag to me stands for fuck politics they are in it for the money and keeping their power over the world. You want to hate someone hate the owners of the oil companies here..they are the ones who are bascially paying our govenment to take Iraq. We are basically one big mercenary army who will go where the money is. Is that a good thing. NO..Do I support bush NO. but to call us all STUPID and arrogant is in itself stupid and arrogant....makeing jokes like all americans are fat is fine who cant take a joke...but you are being down right hateful to people you dont know or understand.....so I guess you're sounding like...an...american...

Im not trying to attack you or anything...Its just people who hate for no reason rub me the wrong way.


rm_saintlianna 45F
15466 posts
12/9/2005 10:41 am

Hi Free! Uh.......I think I will stay out of this one, but I thought it was Palestine.


nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/9/2005 10:55 am

    Quoting rm_Gaeb:
    GB: the worst evil is for good men to do nothing

    dont worry bout the american dead thou... they're not american aparently... lol its a damn pitty...
now that statment hmmm...according to the way you think...that sounds pretty american to me....

So I guess wishing people dead is how things should be right? Hmm you know..I think in nam we should have just nuked the shit out of them if we wanted to wipe out everything including children why not do that right...

GB - Brainwashed perhaps sum...but me...I think war is terrible period....but you shouldnt judge me by the flag I salute. This country is corrupt is doesnt hold the ideals it was ment to.


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/9/2005 12:18 pm

im not barking up your tree either nightstalker - im not attacing you eiter... when i say america or american im talking about the collective... the idea... the thing... the nation... not induviduals... and yes, at the end we are all just people, we're human, and humans label things, (unfortunatly), so there is always a situation of "us and them" - in the end were all human...

couple of things thou... (not attacing - just debating and pointing out things...) like u, im not attacking, and i thinks if we can both find a way to explain ourselves we might find we think the same about things... debating and even arguing is always a good thing, i think.

1) the foreigners that is now american... what pasport do they carry? where were they (most of them) born? that makes them american and not foreign... sure their forfathers came there, to a piece of land and founded a country... but now they are part of that country, saluting that flag... and by saluting, a sign of honour and respect, they voice with the flag... refering to u mentioning hitler - u wont salute him right? coz u dont agree with him? or what he did? so y salute the american flag if u dont agree with all its standing for - not SUPOSED to stand for, ACTUALY standing for... yes... the great american dream... freedom... all good and well... salute that - i do to - but where is it? u say u salute the flag but fuck the politics? can work like that... america is a democracy right? enough so that it feels it has to FORCE democracy onto others... CHANCE THE POLITICS!

2) ALL countries are founded by foreigners... a spanjard cant found spain coz at that poins spain does not exist so hes not a spanjard... same with americans... same with the english... same with the french... same with the germans... all those, to name a few big ones, were "founded" by other nations... these countries maily came about because of the presence of the saxons, vikings and so forth... that is what colonialism is... and the world is full of it... to get local... south africa, where im from, was discovered by the portugese, "founded" by the dutch, occupied back and forth between dutch, brits, portugese... but we're all souh african... we have ELEVEN OFFICIAL LANGUAGES for fuck sake... that in itself is stupid, i know... but we're all south african... we have our own collective customs and traditions as south africans, as does the americans... we have a colective government, as does the americans... we have our own flag, as does the americans... so y does the americans not have to play by the rules and be american... y do they, (u in this particular instance), insist that they are a lot of nations living in the same space? isnt that biggotry? when the towers were hit, u were all american... y not now?

3) yes, hitler was not gernam, he was polish, but i cant seem to grasp the point ur making there. plz explain a bit there... sure, ppl tent to blame the germans, and not the polish, and rightly so, because the reigh was run and fuled by germans... al be it with a pole at the helm... it was a narrowminded way of thinking yes, in fact, if he wanted a race of blue eyed blonds, he should have offed himself first... he had dark hair and brown eyes... i might be mistaken but i also seem to remember him having jewinsh blood from somewhere... so yes, that was stupid...i might understand u wrong here, so plz explain where that came from...

4) nam nam nam... ummm... u wana tell me americans DID NOT KILL sevilians, woman and children? sure they didnt nuke it, they were to shit scared... and rightly so... but napalm is no walk in the park either... a hell of a lot of american children, (i say children coz that is what most of those soldiers were), were killed by AMERICAN FIRE!!! they killed their own, so what stoped them from killing "enimy" sivilians, woman and children? believe me, it happened - dont pull the "inocent card" on that one, or any war for that matter. sure, it happens in all wars, thats y the americans is clever enough not to fight on their own soil... they fight in the backyard of the "enemy". i say "enemy" in inverts, coz i am yet to hear of a war the americans were in that had something to do with them, therefor the "enimy" is not realy their enemy... so actualy, they kill friendly sivilians... wierd...

5) once again... iv you dont wish to be judged by the flag u salute, either dont salute it, or change what it stands for... america is a democracy... YOU, an individual, is responsable for what the flag does... yes, war is terrible... so PLEASE, for god's sake, stop it...

im not taking u on here brother, im taking on the flag... i hope u understand, since its ur own image and metaphore im using here... not all americans are the same... yet they salute the same flag... a flag that THEY THEMSELVES have the power to change... hence... u get the picture... their american...


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/9/2005 12:22 pm

sainly: as far as i know, babilon covered most of the middle east at one point... palistine might be more specific, but babilon is older... hence it was babilon befor it was palistine... but i wont argue, general concensus is palistine


rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
12/9/2005 1:07 pm

nightstalker: a single point. i was not even born in south africa and yet i am a south african through and through. i don't believe in patriotism -- to me patriotism is fascism -- but this country has written itself all over me.... i was born in preston, england like my parents, but that place has nothing to do with me. so i agree with gaeb's point that once you are born in america you are american unless you choose to go live somewhere else that seems more like home ...



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nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/9/2005 5:58 pm

My point about hilter is that terrible ruthless people can come from anywhere not just america. W

My saluteing the flag...ok to me the government is supposed to represent the people right? Well IMHO it doesnt. WHY? because the rich dictate what happens. Ask just about anyone over here and they will tell you that we shouldnt be in Iraq anymore. To me the flag mean freedom Our leaders are tainting that symbol. I do not believe in what this country is doing but I do believe in being free. That to me is why I would get so offended by burning the american flag because that flag stands for freedom and the people who have died to protect it and I mean REALLY protect it. Our leaders PISS on them and that angers me too. You say do something about it. Personally I think this country quit being a democracy along time ago. We are capitalist country. All the matters is profit. Hence our visit to Iraq for oil. hell did you know that the oil companies had an all time record high in profits this year...how odd. The freedoms that we have are an illusion to keep from an uprising...The rich run this country through puppets like Bush. They remain unknown to the public.

Now as far as Nam ok what I ment was that the killing of women and children was not the objective. sure it happend and there were a few sick soldiers out there and yes that war shouldnt of happend but from what I understand. It was the French who were fighting there first and asked for our help. War is an unforgiving machine is doesnt know the difference between child or adult man or woman. Did we cause the death of innocent people in Iraq of course we did. but every other country has done that sometimes in history whenever a war is faught. Is it right? NO...When we first started attacking Iraq. I will admit I supported the war. Why because Saddam was a threat. not just to us but to everyone and even his own people. To me he was no better that Hitler or Stahlin. But now things are different Saddam is gone. They should be rebuilding Iraq. It wold be fine if we were helping and in some little ways we are trying to. But we are on gaurd duty we are gaurding the oil companies profits and that is what is become all about.

But people become to blind with hate to actaully see who the real enemy is.

To me it seemed in your original post that you were attacking Americans as a people. That I did not agree with. Its the capitalists that have deep pockets and everyone in the senate and white house has their greedy little hands in there. I detest what our government is doing. But I still respect the men and women who put their lives at risk and they do so for freedom. The government isnt useing them that way but thats what the indiviual soldier is doing. And to me thats what the flag stand for....freedom...the government stands for profit and I dont even consider them American. But people are just people doesnt matter what flag you are under. Iraqis bleed the same blood as us Americans. The fact that we only keep track of american killed...again propaganda forced down our throats to make us rally for what our govenment is doing.

I can see some of your points alittle more clearly. but your post seemed alittle hateful and thats what got me going. But its cool I think I get what you mean.

To freelove - Patriotism is fascism. Interesting view..but most of our soldiers arent forced into the military its all volunteer. Loveing your country is Patriotism to me. I do love my country and what its supposed to stand for The Ideal of freedom. But I dont care for the corruption that has turned it into the opposite of what its supposed to be.


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/10/2005 3:27 am

night: yes we do seem to understand each other a bit more clearly... same on this side...

as far as hitler goes... i never tried to imply that all evil is from the states... althou i think he had a brilliant mind, (exept for trying to invade russia in the middle of winter after seeing what happened to napoleon), he was prob the wost this planet had to offer.

as far as democracy goes... if the states are not "democratic" anymore, byt capitalist, as i agree with you, them y do u, (once again i refer to the "whole"), insist on forcing democracy on iraq? yeah i know its about the oil... but still? does your gov REALY think the trest of the world was born yesterday?

fighting a war to protect peace? well there's a novel idea...

and lastly i still maintain that THE INUVIDUAL that salutes the flag has a choise to do so or not... again i say that if u salute it u back it... if u dont back it, either change it or dont salute it...

glad we're getting to understand each other a bit... i'd offer you a drag of my piece-pipe never ment to be personal - i should have made it clear...


nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/10/2005 6:49 am

Well each person is going to salute the flag for different reasons because the flag means something different to everyone.

To be honest I dont think we are trying to push democracy on iraq at all. Our objective to "free" Iraq is bullshit. We arent there for anything BUT money...plain and simple. Our govenment just wants to label it with a noble cause So people wont cause trouble here...

And yea Hitler was a tactical genuise until he went nuts. but as they say most genuises are crazy

Most of the people here are powerless to change anything. The rich are going to get what they want no matter how many people vote to stop the war. Personaly I think the voteing is more propaganda to keep us in line and makeing money for the government by paying taxes. Illusion of freedom.....

Anyway its cool and Id gladly take the drag if I smoked


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/10/2005 12:52 pm

polly: have a look at the comments passed between me and night here - im not taking on induviduals...


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/10/2005 1:00 pm

night: im taking about what the government is saying here - therefor the offical line... it is to free iraq from dictatorship and establish democracy... fuck we all know bush has a oil company... his father took iraq, clinton had no isue with them (was to bussy in the office lol) and then little bush jr started with the oil again... its just tooooooo obvious... they (the gov) dont fool the rest of the world - so y do the american ppl seem to be fooled?

as members of a democracy (which officialy u are) it is the responsability of the idividual to dictate behaviour of the government... as plato said: the penalty for not taking part in politics is to be ruled by ur inveriours!

if needs be - and i think im gonna step in it again here - start a sival war! riot! fuck the rich - they got the guns but the world has the numbers!


nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/10/2005 4:38 pm

Well officially we are a democracy yes..but that is just a mask to hide what the government truly is...the right to vote HA that is BS too. Dont get me wrong its a nice concept. the best way to keep peasants under control is to give them the illusion of freedom. Make them THINK they are actaully makeing a difference. Some even say that 9/11 was actaully ALLOWED by our own government to give us an excuse to go to war...much like the attack on perl harbor back in WW2. Of course there is no proof either way.

As far as a civil war....a full scale war in america between its own people I dont think that would ever happen. I think it would be snuffed out before it ever had a chance to grow into a threat...and it would leave us to open to be taken over...I think too many people would know that just about any other country out there would love to get their claws dug in over here...beside they have enough money they can buy help from the outside..so a civil war would do no good IMHO...you have to hit the rich where it truly hurts his wallet. That is the only way to win IMHO...


rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
12/11/2005 4:12 am

we don't want your fucking country nightstalker, we are happy where we live -- we just want the abuse to end -- the terror your goverment and business people and capitalists inflict on us to go away. you are not being attacked (either with bombs or words) because we want power over you, but because we want to limit your power over us!



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nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/11/2005 6:27 am

Freelove: so you speak for the rest of the world then? you mean to tell me that they arent out there. Im not saying the whole world wants to take us over but there are countries who would love the opertunity. but I understand what you mean...the US does dictate alot of the world...and it shouldnt...


rm_philonymph 38M
162 posts
12/11/2005 11:20 am

Ok.....I've gotta jump in on this one.....

Just a couple things to put in perspective.

Most Americans are ignorant, selfish, and easily led by people who appeal to their ignorance and selfishness.
American gov't was founded, and to this day remains under the control of Freemasons. Most American law is based upon the morals of Freemasonry.
The Masonic Lodges in the US over the last century have been infiltrated and taken over by selfish, ignorant people who are only Freemasons in name. If you know anything about freemasonry, the difference is obvious.
"American Democracy" are just two words that give the masses a sense of being in control, but the reality is that elections are decided before the vote; the chosen candidate being the one who will fit in with the Masonic agenda.

A LARGE minority of the citizens of the US are not easily led, are not ignorant, break the almighty laws every day, and have just as much disdain for our gov't as anyone else around the world. We are, in all but name, slaves in our own country. We do have the "freedom" to do what we want, but it comes at the price of avoiding the artificial consequences of excersising that "freedom". Example: I can sit in my own home and smoke pot all I want as long as I don't get caught. If a cop shows up at my door and smells it though.....bye bye freedom. bye bye car. bye bye money. bye bye job. And for what? People who commit and murders have more rights than I do.

The problem with all this, however, is that none of it can be satisfactorly (sp?) proven. And as long as the ignorant majority is provided with enough comfort, I'm afraid nothing short of another violent revolt is going to rock this big-assed boat. For as horrible as this sounds, as I don't consider violence to be good in any way, we need to have a few more capitalist monuments destroyed before anyone is going to really believe that something has to change.

(I'm serious about the Freemasons.....please research this. I'm curious to know if the hijacking has spread to other countries, or if foreign Masons may still be able to help us...)


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/11/2005 1:00 pm

philo: right on brother... have a drag on my piecepipe...

the american constitution was writen by people who took an oppertunity to sieze land and impose taxes on ppl who were at the time living free on the land... it is all an illusion of freedom... u never lost that freedom actualy - u never had it...

oja - and welcome back... good to c u...

im having my dick sucked as i write this... so i better go now...


rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
12/11/2005 3:18 pm

nightstalker, lol! sorry a bit too busy sucking cock to answer you and now it is after 1am and i just got back from driving gaeb home --- but i will answer you properly in the morning (my morning not the american imperialist one, which is actually afternoon )



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goddessofbitches 41M/33F

12/11/2005 8:20 pm

Wow...I just came by to let yall know I was feeling better and to thank you for bringing me up in your blog....

I didn't know I was starting trouble...again....lol

HUGS~~~MANDY

Always The Bitch


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/11/2005 10:00 pm

GOB: glad u feeling better hun xxx - good to c u up and about


rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
12/11/2005 11:42 pm

nightstalker, no i don't speak for the rest of the world, but considering that i have been involved in revolutionary politics for more than ten years, you can assume i have met one hell of a lot of anti-american, anti-imperialists in that time, and i also work in that environment, since we are trying to resist the evil that america is doing to us in terms of healthcare when we are in a health crisis (AIDS, new virulent forms of TB & malaria, etc). if you check out the latest WTO agreements on TRIPS in Hong Kong and read around that from a left perspective you can see why we are so angry.

I have met many revolutionaries of many persuasions and none of them wants to take over america. some of them however will resort to violence to retaliate for all the harm america is doing --- hitler never succeeded in dominating the world the way george bush is doing, but no one criticises anyone who resisted him or germany. by the same token anyone who resists american imperialism is not a terrorist -- americans are the terrorists -- and this is nothing personal about you or any other friends i have made here, but if you don't recognise and resist the fascism of your own government, then you must realise you are no different to the germans who fought for hitler or who did nothing to stop him.

i know it is painful to realise that you have been lied to your whole life long, but the propoganda you spew and the excuses you make -- we've heard them on american tv which is spewed at us daily -- we've heard it all before, and this is no excuse for any of the evil you are party to!

... just as, as a white south african, even tho i never was a racist (not brought up that way) i am party to apartheid because i benefited from it (in terms of education, income, the kind of house i grew up in, etc etc). now it is my duty to do what i can to begin to reverse the damage of apartheid...



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rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
12/11/2005 11:50 pm

philo: just to back gaeb up, i dunno if you are aware that the american constitution was never intended to bring freedom and democracy, but it was a way for rich landowners to seize the land of poor people living freely. there was a revolt of the poor just prior to the writing of the american constitution and the rich imposed the constitution in order to claim taxation and implement a standing army to crush the poor. you can find out more about this on the internet by looking up "Shays rebellion" in 1786...

As you can see, your history books have been lying to you your whole life -- the history we all know is the history written by the powerful to hide what they have done to others. for example, under apartheid we were told one version of history; now the ANC is in power it is another version -- and the ANC version tries to make out that all resistance to apartheid happened in its name and that it is the revolutionary organ -- meanwhile there were so many who fought against apartheid that were anti-ANC, including the Pan African Congress (PAC), the BCM (Black Consciousness Movement) and large parts of the UDM/UDF (United Democratic Movement/ United Democratic Front. Also much is made of Mandela's role in ending apartheid, ignoring the sacrifices of millions of ordinary people who are still living in appalling conditions now!



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rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
12/11/2005 11:51 pm

mischief: so glad you are back and better

gaeb: sorry for taking over your blog, but LOL! if you gonna hit on women on my blog, LOL! guess i can rant on yours



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nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/12/2005 6:37 am

Freelove: A terrorist to me is someone who goes around attacking everyone to simply kill people...there have been attacks not just on us but other countries as well. and despite the fact that we do some underhanded things this I dont deny but we also send aid as little as it may be. When a country needs help who do they ask? Its been that way since before WW2. When we do help we are met with hostility. Now in Iraq..I know our soldiers have killed innocent people its not always on purpose. Innocent people always get in harms way during war time. You make it sound like America is over there slaughtering them on purpose. If we wanted scorched earth we would get scorched earth. But there are also outside people comeing in and terrorizeing and makeing the situation worse. Iraq harms it own too. And Im sure its neighbors help out like Iran and Seirra.

The point is alot of countrys bitch and complain about us until they see $ signs...France was the same way...they didnt support the war on Iraq because they were getting ALOT of money from Saddam and same with germany. Its obvisous that england was in our pocket ....money makes this world go round and each coutry would shut there mouths for the right price and has in some cases. Hell Saddam was only rich because of us. Imerialist...perhaps..but we dont take countries by force......we buy them..its cheaper...and most of your leaders and govenments dont complain. So tell me is our govenment the only corrupt one? Or do they follow where the dollar goes?


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/12/2005 6:53 am

free - u know i like sharing... rant all u want... i love a good debate/argument... its informative to all concerned...


rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
12/12/2005 12:17 pm

night: the other countries are as guilty as sin also, but america is the hub of the imperialism and as for your definition of terrorist -- there is no such thing as someone who goes around killing people just for the sake of it, unless they are psycho -- and your aid is "phantom aid" -- it goes into the countries it claims to aid only to be sent back to america to be used on american products or pay american consultants. and furthermore, wrt food aid, for example in ethiopia, there is no famine. the reason they have no food is cos they have to sell it all in order to get money to pay back their so-called debt. if they did not have "odious debt" (please check the specific legal definition of this please at probably jubilee site would be a good one) they would have food without needing aid! (i know this because a number of my colleagues have just completed a massive project tracking resource flows of capital and aid in the region -- and guess what? Africa is a nett donor to the rest of the world, not a nett recipient of donations!)

same with the crimes america against humanity america commits with regard to medicine -- it is not aid, but just the american government giving money to multinational pharmaceutical companies.

i really think you need to read much wider than you do, because you are ill-informed in many regards and this stuff is on the internet if you care to find out.



[blog freelove999]


nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/12/2005 5:24 pm

psycos indead...each "psyco" has a reason for killing. Some for pleasure some think god is telling them to kill the infidels...one way or another there target is mainly to kill as many people as possible innocnet or not they dont care. We dont do that. Because if we did again like I said scorched earth.

Now Africa...we send aid and the warlords and dictators bascailly take it and use it as they see fit. That is not our fault. as far as the odious debt. Do you really think those warlords and dictators actaully pay that debt?...they keep it for themselves. And no its not right...dont sit there and sugar coat your own government because it lets its own people suffer despite the fact that other countrys not JUST the US have sent them aid. Talk about GREED!

Now your medicine statement..so us donateing to a pharmaceutical company to do research to find cures for diseases and such...how the hell is that a crime to humanity?

Im not ignorant and most of the things on the internet are about as reliable as the weather man....sometimes hes right sometimes hes wrong...Im not ill-informed I just have an inate talent for seeing past bullshit that others dont see. So I guess you support your local warlord then?...I suppose if someone was to burn your flag you wouldnt care right?...do you salute it supporting your warlords and dictators?...Or are you too busy hateing america for its own faults...which I will not argue are many. But we DO and have tried to help others. Even though we may have alterior motives. oh afirca is so pure it gives to everyone else even though it has nothing....oh BULLSHIT...Your own government is no better than ours...


rm_FreeLove999 46F
16127 posts
12/13/2005 1:15 pm

of course our governments are lousy -- they sign the agreements the US presses onto them and there is plenty of reliable stuff on the internet if you'd bother to look --- it's good to see your exposing yourself as a true american, who can't see beyond the propoganda ...



[blog freelove999]


nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/13/2005 3:47 pm

I did bother to read it so basically and here the gist of it...South Africa owes europe and the US billions of dollars for a loan to help rebuild your country. Now basically your warlods horde all the aid that is sent to your country by the US and europe..from what they say is that your warlords are actually paid by the US and europe or more accurately by private corperations based in the US and Europe. So that they can have access to africas resources at a fraction of the cost. See the real enemy here is the privately owned corperations they only happen to be based in america...but you direct your hate at america and its people who are like you say ignorant to these facts...but instead of trying to discuss it you get posts like this that gaeb posted...which shows nothing but disdain and hatred. It is no wonder that no american will pay attention to you. but like i said from the start our gonvernment representitives are nothing but puppets for the rich. Raise up against the govenment and the rich will just sit there an laugh there asses off and wait until they can get new people in their pockets...You want to hurt these coperations you need to hurt thier wallet..


spinmedown 49M
3626 posts
12/14/2005 4:41 pm

So tantra, that's an offshoot of the Tibetan school of Buddhism and a rather advanced school at that. Am I right, Gaeb?

And tantra, at its core, isn't really about sex. It's spirituality. I hear it mentioned here frequently; and it makes me cringe a bit, as a student of Buddhism and an American. I know that many Americans have embraced Zen Buddhism as brought here by Suzuki. But it has also been diluted a bit by joining the popular culture. This concerns me. People talking about being enlightened without truly understanding what they are saying. I see the pull of tantra as being even stronger and offering a greater risk of misunderstanding and misuse due to its sexual nature. Americans do tend to take the easy route to fulfilment. It is a big part of our "Have it all NOW" "Be a smashing success before 30 or you're screwed" culture. Kundalini unleashed on an untrained and unprepared mind is dangerous and not enlightenment. Buddhism is about learning discipline of both mind and body towards overcoming the limits of both. But you know that. Sure the tantric techniques can be learned much more easily than the mastery of the mind they truly express and require.
But what does one really have there?
I don't know. I should stop now. I have twenty grueling, frustrating, excruciating minutes of attempting to sit in zazen while counting my breathes from 1 to 10 and over again.
I can't even do that right.
What the hell do I know?
This mind is a bitch.

Most people are other people... FUCKING CHARACTER LIMIT!!! ~Oscar Wilde


MsLoveRose 33F  
2432 posts
12/14/2005 9:08 pm

blah blah blah blah....

~~~ i come to stir up commotion!!!!

not buying it huh....

oh well i tried!!!

havent been over here in a while...just coming to say hi i guess!!! pretty heavy stuff you got here gaeb!!!

live more, laugh often, love much


The_Wraith_1969 47M

12/14/2005 11:38 pm

In this post I would like to OPENLY make a formal apology to my fellow Bloggers, FreeLove999 and GB_Cple and Gaeb. If comments should be left, then please, only from these 3. You can tell me what you want, what you think of me. I already get a feeling of what that is. I am sorry it came to this.

In my old blog and profile I said some things that were uncalled for and out of place. Being the short tempered person I am, I tend to leap before looking and totally misread what was left behind for me and interpretted it as something offensive to me and to the people that read my Blog. I was upset that someone would come and voice such a harsh opinion and then when someone else answered "normally" and got bashed by this person, it became even more offensive, because such things should be handled by the Blog Author and not the people leaving comments.

I proceeded to go over to the other Blogs and leave offensive things as well, acting like a damn 10 year old, and I am ashamed that I let myself stoop to that level. i always enjoyed reading FreeLoves beautiful stuff, and her ventures with Gaeb, and GB_Cple were always there for me when I was ranting on Britney Spears, leaving positive remarks that kept me going.

Now, I have managed to misuse the trust these fine individuals instilled in me caused by my over-reaction and failure to deal with anger in a positive manner.

I myself often disagree with much of what goes on in the world, but somehow I just felt this overwhelming need to open my shithole and let it all out. I felt hurt and attacked personally, although I know this wasn't the intention, especially when I was told what I should be writing on my blog and what not. But GB was right in saying that politics should be left out. The only thing I accomplished by doing so was something I so despise, war. Well, we are all too old for this and since it got started more or less from me, I took the consequences and left. I felt it was time to change things. I had to do something, it was going too far.

I don't expect any of you to forget. But that was just not me. Stress at work, at home, the deal with my daughter, my mother being sick, my ex, my girlfriend and her kids, bills out the ass, and so on just kept building and I vented themm in the totally wrong fashion and order. All I want here is to enjoy the funny stories, beautiful poems, and witty comments left by all of you. We are all part of one group, and I know I am standing outside that group now. I can deal with that. But I ask you GB_Cple, please, do not go away! You always were a treasure. Let me back in, and I will show you that I am not the asshole you all think I am.

I have had a few of my friends stick by me through this that stayed neutral and I thank them. They have taught me a little anger management and also that things said are only opinions, and everyone is entitled to one. I agree, and have been lead out of the darkness by them. From that, I have my new name-The_Wraith_1969 : probably originally, a guardian angel, from Icel. a warden, guardian, akin to E. ward. 1. An apparition of a person in his exact likeness, seen before death, or a little after; hence, an apparition; a specter; a vision.

I leave it up to the three of you to pass judgement. I open myself up to you.

After much research and reading, and many long thoughts, I came to the conclusion that yes, you all have very well stated points. Like Freetime said on Freeloves Blog, I felt the need to defend for whatever reason. It just plain went too far. The post that started the commotion in the first place was meant as a parody to the military, because that is the way they walk around here in Germany. They actually think like that. Me being ex-military, I never thought in those dimensions.

I find your point of view very interesting and FreeLove also has a good point with the fact that America pushes itsself on the rest of the World. Fascist Imperialism was a little bit harsh though. Most Americans themselves don't agree with the politics ruling the land and I am one of them. If someone would execute Bush today, I would shake their hand. It is very saddening for me to see that the world is turning against the Americans, that were once a proud nation that everyone was trying to copy. Now everyone is turning their backs. The US govt. has lied to its people and to the rest of the world and now we are all(as Americans) paying the price.

I celebrate your view on the matter. I may not always agree, or I may find a few remarks funny enough to have me rolling on the floor, but I will make no judgement, it is your right to say what you think and feel. I just had to remind myself that this is what this here is all about. Our whole world sucks, damn near every single govt. ruling is ripping its people. If you find a coll place to chill with no more bereaucratic bs, let me know and I will join you there. Then we can sit back, smoke on your peace pipe and laugh at the others.

Once again, my deepest apologies and regrets to all involved in my past rant.


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/15/2005 7:29 am

spin: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT!!!!! at least one person figured it out - this post was not political AT ALL!!!

to the rest: yes, i made coments about americans, (and i sould have made it more clear that i was generalising and not attacing all americans personaly), but that was not what it was about. yes, i called one certain american a "stupid fucking dipshit", and that WAS personal... but please people, go and READ the original post... it is about the fact that americans did not invent tantra... about the fact that tantra is not realy sexual, but religious, a branch of the Budha... its not a political post at all, but one on sex and religion!!! yes, it became political, americans defending themselves agains the rest of the world, (they have a lot of devending and explaining to do), and i made political statements here myself... and ill do it again... the americans went into devensive political mode here, coz thats what they do... manipulate the rest of the world on a political front... as soon as they get the slightest hint of anti-american thoughts being passed they go ape... which kinda prooves my original point... AMERICANS DID NOT INVENT TANTRA, andvery few, if any, of those americans claiming to practice tantra, (and go to fuckschool), has ANY IDEA what it is all bout! they dont even get the message if you try and educate them... they just go into a political ranting, because someone DARE say that anything good, (in this case tantra) is NOT american...

so...

as chairman of this little matter, i now declare this discussion closed!

and tnx again spin for getting it thats what the budha does... teaches you to SEE... which in turns leads to a willingness and hunger to educate yourself. good luck with the zazen

o and btw... wraith... i have NO CLUE what ur on about... hence... appology denied...


nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/15/2005 10:41 am

...I admit I like to argue but at the very least I learned a few things...I know its my fault that it turned political...but I couldnt help it. At first you post seemed directed at one person but then it became a rant about americans in general. You made it political with the pic and the title of it...but I admit I started th argument. My main beef is people who hate for no reason...and they hate because of something stupid like nationality or race..I might find them annoying but I dont hate them. anyway peace it was fun exchanging words with you and freelove.


The_Wraith_1969 47M

12/15/2005 9:32 pm

Well Gaeb, I am the formal "Efilnikufecin69", kinda got offtrack with FreeLove999 and left a coupl ecomments here that were uncalled for. That is why the apology. Take it or leave it.


rm_Gaeb 38M
127 posts
12/15/2005 11:56 pm

night - yes, it was fun talking to you to, pls pop back in. and no need to appologize... i love a good agrument as much as the next guy - it keeps ones mind busy and educated. tnx again for your contri - i learned something here, as i hope you did to.

wreith: i know who u are, but fail to c what it has to do with me? i didnt meen to be rude when i said "appology denied" - i just have nothing to forgive as far as i know...


MissAnnThrope 56F
11488 posts
12/16/2005 1:34 pm

Tantra has it's roots in India, first it was Hindu, then Buddhist. It started with the Hindus, not the Buddists, but this is a common mistake.

The birth of Tantra is ascribed to Dattatreya, a yogi who may or may not have been mythical and is a Hindu God.

When sexual tantra came around, it was considered the left handed path. Those who followed the left handed path, no matter what their caste, did things like eat meat, drink alcohol and have sex with those from the lower castes. Rituals took place in cremation grounds. When you break Tantra down into the colors of Tantra, it is considered Black Tantra. The idea was to break the practitioner of binding convention. Yoni Tantra says there should be vigorous copulation, ending in orgasm. It is an older school than Buddhist tantra.

Tantra isn't all about sex, either. As a matter of fact, the form of Hindu Tantra popularly practiced In America is said by Hindu Tantra traditionalists to represent a mutilated and extremely narrow-minded, sensationalist approach encompassing only a misguided thinking about "sacred sexuality," with little reference to its true practice.

Considering Tantra to be a sacred sexual practice and ignoring all other aspects of it is new age, no matter what you want to believe, or what your Yoga teacher told you. Yoga is also Hindu, even though Buddists have been trying to steal it as their own.

Don't believe every word some stoned satyrist wrote in the name of "religion" on Tantra. There are several paths, Sexual Tantra being considered one of the lowest paths. These people practice New Age Tantra, which claims the Kama Sutra is a sacred text. The Kama Sutra was thoroughly unrelated to the Tantric sects when written.

So, what have we learned? The birth of Tantra is credited to a Hindu God. The Kama Sutra is Hindu. Yoga is a Hindu practice. Claiming all of this for Buddhists is like funamental Christians who believe in the Rapture that was invented in the 19th century claiming they know the true word of God.

I find both sides uninformed in this argument, but that's just me.


2lonly22long 45M
2 posts
1/6/2006 3:31 am

check the speeling ass Tantra and Tantara are two very different things. see this is why people who are ignorant should not make fun of the americans, espicially cowards like u i would love noting more than to meet u. then i would take that burning flag and shove it in your ass pull it out your eye sockets and then shit in your mouth.


Young_Couple1986 30M/29F
7 posts
2/1/2006 6:07 am

bit behind... and too lazy to read the whole thread.

I did see Nightstalker mention that the American troops are not forced to fight. Well technically no they're not.
However they might as well be, the propaganda and poverty make for a large proportion of the troops.

So indirectly they are forced, are they not?


azman4u2have2 60M

2/9/2006 6:52 pm

what a couple of ignorant morons, you and your "cock sucking" anti American piece of ass are perfect for each other. like what happened in 1700 means a fucking thing in modern day America? grow the fuck up, this is not South Africa, we have actually made progress since then!


titsrus2 52F
331 posts
2/11/2006 8:17 pm

lol...maybe his tantra certification was mail order, especially if he was not taught the origin of tantra. or maybe he skipped the 1st class - an intro to tantra 101. only the terribly misguided thinks the world begins and ends in hollywood.

btw - not all americans are full of it. some of us actually do have minds of our own.


rainqueen04 55F
1340 posts
2/22/2006 5:28 pm

well as an american i am still learning to write and think in complete sentences....


nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
2/23/2006 7:29 am

Wow...2 months later and people are still posting ...


woofff 41F

9/8/2007 4:21 am

About your post: I really enjoyed reading the reaction to your post.

About tantra...well its way older than Buddhism. Its hindu in orgin. The Vigyan Bhairav Tantra is the book that encapsulates all of the science. Its a dialogue between the hindu god Shiva and his alter ego in the female form and describes some 150 breathing and meditation techniques relating to sexuality.

Will come back again .


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