Oregonians, do not be fooled!  

rm_Fawnd1e 38F
50 posts
6/13/2006 12:37 pm

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7/2/2006 6:18 pm

Oregonians, do not be fooled!


I received this from Planned Parenthood today. It seems the fundies are hard at work again to try to take away a woman's right to choose by restricting minor women from receiving safe, private access to abortion, even in cases of abuse, , or incest. This would force older teens to seek out illegal 'back alley' abortions, threatening their health and lives. This is what the email entails:

"Under the guise of protecting Oregon’s teens, those who would restrict a woman's right to choose are at work. Oregon Right to Life is currently gathering signatures for a measure that would require Oregon teens to tell their parents or get permission from a judge before receiving abortion care.

Don’t be Fooled:
Initiative Petition (IP) 51 puts our teenage daughters' health and safety at risk!

Know the facts:

*Parents care most about keeping their teenagers safe. That means always safe, even when teenagers can't-for whatever reason--talk to their parents about an unplanned pregnancy. andatory notification laws may sound good, but in the real world they put teenagers in real danger.

*IP 51 prohibits older teens, 15, 16, or 17 years old, from obtaining an abortion unless their doctor provides a parent with written notice and then delays the procedure for 48 hours. There is no exception for or incest.

*If a young woman is afraid to tell her parents for any reason, rather than helping her access a trusted counselor and good medical care, Initiative Petition 51 would force her to go before a judge and argue her case. This applies even if she is a victim of abuse.

*A study published in the New York Times found that state laws mandating parental notification have unintended consequences and do not reduce abortion rates. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, “mandating parental notification does not achieve the intended benefit of promoting family communication, but it does increase the risk of harm to the adolescent by delaying access to appropriate care.” This is why the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, and the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology all oppose parental notification measures.

This measure puts the health and safety of our teenage daughters at risk.

Tell Right to Life this isn't the answer, and then decline to sign!"

I would beg all of you who have mothers, sisters, or daughters to decline to sign this terrible petition that does nothing other than put children at risk.

Willysjeepcj2a 60M
109 posts
6/13/2006 2:17 pm

In this area we disagree, as a parent I do not want anytthing done to my child, by any one, any group, without knowing about it. If the child is in an abuse case by all means go to the judge, get the responceable party for the abuse in jail! If it is , or incest then take that "person" to the closes tree and string him up! (of course after the trial) Take the kid out of the unsafe enviroment.


rm_Fawnd1e 38F
16 posts
6/13/2006 3:36 pm

Hey Willy,

While I can respect your point of view, let me ask you this: If in this situation, would you rather have your daughter have access to well trained medical professionals who can assist her in a safe environment and be sure she is cared for in the best ways possible both physically and emotionally, or would you rather have her go to an untrained source who'd be happy to scrape her uterus with a hanger and run off with her money?

If this petition were to make it to the ballot, and god forbid it should pass, abortion rates would not decline. Studies have shown that in other states that have passed such laws. However, what you would see is an increase in seriously injured girls, or girls who die from such unsafe procedures.

While your daughter may know she can come to you at 16 and say "Dad, I'm sorry, but I got pregnant, and I need an abortion" and know you would support her, there are many many girls out there who do not have the same luxury, and who might face abuse to the point of serious injury or death from the parents who should help and protect her. *Those* are the girls who need protection, and those are the girls who would face uncertain futures should any law like this pass.


nativebadger 44M
3 posts
6/25/2006 2:43 am

I don't agree either... I can appreciate your point of view though... What it comes down to, is responsibility... if you have the intelligence and ability to choose to have sex, before you are ready to be responsible, then you should also be willing to pay the price...if there is a pregnancy.

My problem is not as much with the permission issue, but with the Abortion issue... I feel it is wrong on so many levels, unless it is or incest or it poses a serious risk to the mother and child... Abortion is a serious issue and should be treated as such.. what are you teaching a teen when they can just fix their mistake by getting an abortion...and they don't have to answer to anyone either... your teaching them nothing... Open communication is the key... and personal responsibility... There are always extreme exceptions to every rule, but perhaps the fear of having to face your parents for screwing around before you were responsible enough to handle should be a factor for any child to consider when making adult decisions......

I do believe a women has a right as does the father to decide on what happens to a child... but what do you think is going to happen if you have sex irresponsibly....??? I was adopted and if my mother had been someone to have an abortion, I'd not be here... there are options..... Besides, and incest or abuse issues.. they need to be investigated... an abortion does nothing to solve the problem.


lustthingsfirst 47M

7/2/2006 10:44 am

I totally agree with you Fawnd1e.
Although the subject of abortion is a very tricky issue, I believe it's
a Womans choice and should be up to the individual. Woman under the age of 18 should be provided intense counseling, but certainly shouldn't be put in a position where they could be harmed any further. In my experience, women are sexually active at younger ages than 18 and if
parents are allowing women to CHOOSE to have sex before 18 then they should also be freely allowed to make choices regarding the consequences.


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