Democrats are fun!  

rm_Dug4Elise 37M/35F
28 posts
8/5/2005 11:01 pm

Last Read:
3/5/2006 9:27 pm

Democrats are fun!

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and had grown to be in strong favor for the distribution of all wealth in America.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and more welfare programs. In the middle of her heart felt diatribe based upon the lectures she had from her far left professors at her school, he stopped her and asked her point blank how she was doing in school.

She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain. That she had to study all the time, never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying. That she was taking a more difficult curriculum.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Mary."

She replied, "Mary is barely getting by", she continued, "all she has is barely a 2.0 GPA" adding, "and all she takes are easy classes and she never studies." But to explain further she continued emotionally, "But Mary is so very popular on campus, college for her is a blast, she goes to all the parties all the time and very often doesn't even show up for classes because she is too hung over."

Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to her friend who only had a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter visibly shocked by the father's suggestion angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did without and Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I worked real hard!"

The father slowly smiled and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."


frogger1995 39F

8/6/2005 6:27 am

Yes, but if she had been in the republican party to begin with she would have insisted that the Dean give her a "break" on her GPA to begin with because she would eventually be offering jobs to people like Mary, who would still have had to work for the little 2.0 that they do have.


triag916 51M

8/6/2005 10:01 am

Interesting. I completely agree. I'll remember this when the government hands out another 14 billion dollars to the gas and electric companies.


vengeur 41M
836 posts
8/6/2005 10:59 am

Another variant of what your prose illustrates is known as "Affirmative Action Grading".

This grading system would require that the young woman with the 4.0 GPA, in the event that she is Caucasian, deduct a 1.0 from her GPA so that it can be added it to the GPA of one of her fellow students who is not Caucasian and only at a 2.0 GPA.

This seemingly unfair system will achieve the greater good, of course, by making amends for all of the bad things that Caucasian people have done to non-Caucasian people in the past.


rockwriter58 56M
1389 posts
8/6/2005 2:33 pm

Oh... I see I've stumbled upon a nest of conservative vipers. You folks run the country... and run it into the ground... and you still have the nerve to want to crush liberals.

I applaud the satire that is here... very deft in spots. But as triag notes, corporate welfare dwarfes anything handed out to the poor in this country. And it was that way before welfare was reformed in the 1990s too. Just remember it is easy for people to make fun of the poor and minorities because they often aren't around to defend themselves... nor do they have the resources to do so when they do. So jokes like these are just like kicking a sick dog when it is down... easy targets with no defense.

If society is always just individuals sticking up for what they can drain out of the system and pushing others down, then our version of civilization is not much better than the animal kingdom.

♪rockwriter58♪


vengeur 41M
836 posts
8/7/2005 6:58 am

I would like to ask rockwriter58 if he knows when the "war on poverty" began, who initiated it, how much has been spent on it since its inception, and how much success it has achieved as of today.

Then, we can compare figures to determine if corporate welfare "dwarves" the welfare expenditures of the social safety net.


rockwriter58 56M
1389 posts
8/7/2005 12:02 pm

You are right. The "war" on poverty mostly failed, although some progress was made. I would argue that "war" was sold-out almost from the beginning however. Read any good analysis of the Johnson Administration and you will see they had to undercut the social agenda to prop up a real war in Vietnam.

Personally, I do not have the time to give you the figures from the past five decades. But I am confident, that if you add up all the corporate tax breaks, subsidies, hidden deals, etc., from the 1960s onward they in no way would compare to the amount spent on social welfare programs. The facts are there every year for you to examine in the break out of the U.S. budget. Please don't forget defense contractors who have been gouging us since at least the 1950s. (President Eisenhower didn't go out criticizing the military-industrial complex for nothing.) Hell, look at what Halliburton gets in one year and compare it to social welfare programs from the past five years and you'll see the imbalance.

If you blindly keep repeating these mantras about welfare sucking all the money out of the system it is no wonder you don't see how most of the money is being carted out the front door by lobbyists on behalf of large corporations in front of everyone.

If you live in DC long enough you see how this game is played and how easy it is for corporations to get access to those who can give them what they want.

♪rockwriter58♪


rm_Dug4Elise 37M/35F

8/8/2005 12:27 pm

Frogger: What if the Dean had some balls and scholarly integrity and didn't give ole girl a "break"? The point of my joke is Mary parties and the first girl didn't. If the first girl was s republican to begin with, she outta be snorting coke all the time and getting the 2.0 like her party pal Mary.

Triag: I don't approve of government hand outs either. Including welfare.

Rockwriter: Last I checked our country wasn't in the ground. Maybe I only observe what I can. And liberals want to crush conservatives just as badly. So what minority was I making fun of? Democrats? They make up almost half the country. Pretty big minority if u ask me. And since when do u need "resources" to make a comeback on a joke? Last I checked, all u need is a brain and knowledge of some language.
"Individuals sticking up for what they can drain out of the system" sounds kinda like "anything handed out to the poor in this country." So long as the government gives handouts to the poor or rich, our version of civilization is not much better than the animal kingdom I say. Personally I'd rather not pay taxes. Then I wouldn't have to listen to people like yourself criticize the actvite administration's use of them. But I kinda like having fire departments, police, and free schooling. Oh and the world's leading economy. I think I get a pretty good deal on my taxes. I know others get a better deal than I do because they got pregnant, but whatever. Yep, I don't care for the handouts that parents get. EIC is some bull.

For more on your "War on Poverty" I encourage you to read the blog I just posted.


rockwriter58 56M
1389 posts
8/8/2005 3:45 pm

I suppose a clarification is in order. I was responding mostly to the comments by venge-ur. His note on affirmative action seemed to point directly at minorities, not merely at Democrats (and yes, not all minorities are Democrats). My reference to “resources” was not a response to your joke but a note that minority communities are often unable to respond to these views because they do not have the communication resources to do so. I was referencing anti-affirmative action views there, but I should have been clearer.

I would disagree with you that just because someone gets pregnant and they are young and poor that they are getting a better deal. Many of those people, of all colors, often come off of welfare. And welfare as we knew it is gone. I still believe helping the poor helps all of society.

And as far as running the country into the ground, come back to me when the interest is due to the Chinese, Japanese and others on all the loans we are taking out now. You can only spend so long on your credit cards before they are maxed out. This administration is leaving our fiscal house in disarray: so much for tax-and-spend liberals when you can just have credit card conservatives. What happened to the fiscal responsibility that Republicans once preached?

♪rockwriter58♪


vengeur 41M
836 posts
8/9/2005 4:27 pm

I suppose that rockwriter58 would have no objections to receiving emergency and life-saving surgery from a doctor who got only a GED instead of high school diploma, then was accepted at a ivy-league university solely on the basis of affirmative action, then earned only a 2.0 GPA all throughout undergraduate and graduate school at said university, then was granted entry to medical school solely on the basis of affirmative action, and then was given his medical license solely on the basis of affirmative action. Whether rockwriter58 lives or dies during this surgery would be immaterial, of course, because all was done with good intentions, and the greater good of "diversity" was served all along as well.

If one were to say that what is being queried above is absurd, it then begs the question: Where does the line get drawn when it comes to affirmative action and issues of "perceived" fairness? When does opportunity based solely on merit and nothing else become relevant?


frogger1995 39F

8/10/2005 10:26 pm

Good God, I love the way the anti-affirmative action group loves to toss around the "bottom of the barrel" theory. Not all Affirmative Action beneficiaries are idiots. Colleges don't simply let someone in because they have the right skin color. It's simply an added bonus in their favor. Did I get into a great college because I'm black? Yes, but I had a 3.7 GPA in High School and got 1260 on my SATs (without taking a course mind you). And SURPRISE SURPRISE I actually made the Dean's list three years in a row! Heaven forbid some poor schmuck be stuck having to deal with me at my job, you know because I only got the job on account of my race.


vengeur 41M
836 posts
8/11/2005 2:25 pm

If we are to live in a truly color-blind society, with rewards based solely on merit and aptitude, why does anyone need an added bonus for the consideration of anything? Whether it is a job or admissions to college, what needs are met when old forms of discrimination are revamped, renamed, and transferred upon a different set of people altogether? That is the reality of affirmative action. The "bottom of the barrel" theory serves the purpose of posing the question on what affirmative action is really all about, and what its potential could be. The proponents of affirmative action never seem willing to answer questions such as these; they just deride those who pose the questions.

frogger1995, are you actually saying that your impressive high school GPA and SAT scores did not matter to the college that accepted you, but only that your race did? Is that what your admissions office acceptance letter said? That's what affirmative action basically says - that minorities are incapable of scholastic achievement all on their own, so they need special help from legislators and administrators. That seems rather condescending, doesn't it?


vengeur 41M
836 posts
8/11/2005 2:26 pm

If we are to live in a truly color-blind society, with rewards based solely on merit and aptitude, why does anyone need an added bonus for the consideration of anything? Whether it is a job or admissions to college, what needs are met when old forms of discrimination are revamped, renamed, and transferred upon a different set of people altogether? That is the reality of affirmative action. The "bottom of the barrel" theory serves the purpose of posing the question on what affirmative action is really all about, and what its potential could be. The proponents of affirmative action never seem willing to answer questions such as these, just deride those who pose the questions.

frogger1995, are you actually saying that your impressive high school GPA and SAT scores did not matter to the college that accepted you, but only that your race did? Is that what your admissions office acceptance letter said? That's what affirmative action basically says - that minorities are incapable of scholastic achievement all on their own, so they need special help from legislators and administrators. That seems rather condescending, doesn't it?


frogger1995 39F

8/11/2005 4:19 pm

Unfortunately we do not live in a color blind society (yes even today). Sometimes things other than merit and aptitude are important. Let's take for instance my college roommate. She was blond and blue-eyed and had a lower GPA and SAT score than me. BUT she was from a region that was not very common at my school and she played a fantastic game of basketball. It made the school better overall. This is my response to the potential of affirmative action. Sometimes you want more than just brains and a good score.

I don't think I got in solely because I am black. I know for a fact that it was a CONTRIBUTING factor (i.e affirmative action). If my school let in every black person that applied simply because they were black then there would have been nothing but black students, which would have been just as bad as nothing but people who scored over 1500 on their SATs.


JamesD19672005 49M
6 posts
12/27/2005 6:51 am

Absolutely. Frogger, your responses were supposed to be factual, bear SOME relationship to reality, or or anything? Wonderful breasts . . . typical "give me special privileges" mentality.


Become a member to create a blog