Anarchy in NOLA  

rm_DocSpiky 40M
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9/2/2005 6:19 am

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Anarchy in NOLA

Fucking shoot 'em. I swear to god. You got people that want to shoot at rescue workers? Fucking double tap their asses right then and there. I am so sick of this shit.

You want to loot and riot? Fine. I want to kill looters. That's fair, right?

justsayhi2005 51F

9/2/2005 7:34 pm

hello DocSpiky,
I'm sure you'll tell me go go hug a tree or something (at least) but you know, I think the fucking shoot 'em method isn't going to work. Although that is what our fearless leader, Mr. Bush suggested as well.
Basically I think there are so many people out there walking around in our society who are marginally functional on a good day that it seems to me that to think a catastrophic event isn't going to cause the anarchy of which you speak is rather short-sighted. I think it's almost impossible to say what we would do ourselves in a horrific situation such as this but I can imagine myself breaking into a grocery store for food or water for my loved ones. And I really think it would be difficult to remain rational after several days of heat, exhaustion, dehydration, starvation, fear, etc... I realize there are things happening that shouldn't be but I don't think anybody shooting anyone is a good idea.

nietchze 43M

9/2/2005 8:38 pm

Actually this looting thing is getting WAY blown out of proportion. MOstly it's a lot of people trying to find their stuff in a sea of garbage. "Well, this shirt here in the store front isn't mine, but I had one just like it that someone else probably picked up soo...." The whole place is declared a disaster area anyway, so everyhting is bought and paid for by Metlife or State Farm or whoever ( which, of course funded by us, but that's a different topic) And as for the people shooting at the choppers.....well....sorry justy, I hear where you coming from. I really do. But I think we need to take this opportunity to dump some chlorine in the gene pool so to speak. Fuckin' shoot em'.....

MissAnnThrope 56F
11488 posts
9/3/2005 3:42 pm

You know, FEMA drivers weren't even allowed to deliver water until yesterday. The trucks were ready to go on Monday. The drivers were ready on Monday. They didn't have permission to deliver until yesterday. So if I was down there, hell yeah, I'd be out looting for food and water too. Hell, even the cops have turned into looters, using a Wal-Mart ask a command station and living off the shelves.

The rich managed to get out. The upper middle class managed to get out. Tourists from the Hyatt next to the convention center, which has much cleaner conditions were being given preference on evacuation yesterday, over the people in the convention center, who have no food or water. As a matter of fact, they were more concerned yesterday with getting that Spanish Parliment member out of the convention center than anyone else. She's had nothing nice to say about how things are being handled down there.

Under the Clinton administration, money had been allocated to strengthen the levees in NO. However, these things don't get done immediately, bids have to be put in, etc. The money for this ended up going to Iraq.

We were supposed to have some federal disaster relief plan after 9/11. Well, we don't. And someone I know is down there, who was also working the aftermath of 9/11. Native New Yorker. He says this is much, much worse than 9/11. Period.

Now, the people shooting at helicopters, the ones shooting people who looted something they want, yeah, do something with them. However, one teenager who was sick of waiting to be evacuated looted a school bus, got a bunch of people, they pooled what money they had for gas and drove to the Astrodome. That's where they're all being told to go. When they got there, they didn't want to take them, as they arrive on a schoolbus, the evacuees are supposed to be arriving on Greyhound buses...

The only foreign aid we're getting at the moment is in the form of a Vancouver, CA search and rescue team and only because the state of LA asked them to come. The federal government is doing nothing. Condi Rice should be on the phone to heads of state asking for aid. Or, interrupting her NYC vacation to address the UN and ask for help. She's done neither. But she's played tennis with Monica Seles, gone to see Spamalot and went on a shopping spree in Ferragamo, where, when a fellow well-heeled shopper asked why the hell she was doing shopping when there's a national emergency where people are starving, dying and homeless, Condi Rice had security removed her PHYSICALLY.

This is a nightmare of epic proportion. It will take months for the floodwaters to recede. It will be years before most can return to their homes. And we have a government who doesn't care. Trust me, if you were down there, you'd be looting to stay alive too.

nietchze 43M

9/3/2005 8:24 pm

My brother showed me a news piece today. H eonly found it because one of the websites he frequents directed him to a back page article on CNN. It was enarly impossible to find and you would have had to go through about 6 links to find it on your own. It involved one of the people who was accused of shooting at helicopters, all charges were dropped almost immediatly after he was picked. He wasn't shooting 'AT' a helicopter as much as he was firing in the air so that the news helicopter, not military, not red cross, but NEWS MEDIA helicopter that flew by him 10 times a day would, say pick him up rather than just keep flying by on it's way to and from where ever it was going.

rm_DocSpiky 40M
18 posts
9/6/2005 2:38 pm

As I sat down to my computer this morning and hit (as I have been doing incessently for the past 5 days now), I started thinking about what I would be doing in this situation. How I would survive sitting on the roof of my house for days. That's when it occurred to me that if I were stranded on the roof and I saw a helicopter, I would pop off a round or two to get their attention. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Of course that's what they were doing. So, officially: My bad.

The thought that a lot of people were stealing cars, food, water and other things they needed to survive and escape HAD occurred to me previously. I don't really consider that looting - That's just scavenging in my opinion. Pure survival. Not a damn thing wrong with that, and yeah I would sure as hell be doing it too.

But there were people stealing TVs and appliances. There were people and pillaging and killing and generally making already dangerous conditions worse. Killing people who are threatening or endangering the lives of innocent people remains not only a good idea, but a fantastic one.

I guaran-damn-tee that anyone wilfully threatening the life of my daughter can expect to bleed, and there isn't an authority on this earth or beyond that will convince me that this is NOT a good idea. Call it short-sighted, callous, cruel, or even Republican... I'll still stand by that statement as long as I breathe.

justsayhi2005 51F

9/6/2005 4:16 pm

I'm a nurse and I volunteered to go to Louisiana (or whatever other state nurses will be needed) with the Red Cross and if I do get called to go, I promise not to kill anybody.

MissAnnThrope 56F
11488 posts
9/6/2005 11:17 pm

Doc, I hate to tell you this. Those TVs and appliances that are being looted are actually being traded to workers in exchange for things like food and water. The situation is turning everyone into blatant opportunists. Yeah, it sucks, but the workers have use for the appliances and the looters have use for food and water.

rm_DocSpiky 40M
18 posts
9/7/2005 7:48 am

Mmm... Maybe. As much as I would like to believe in the good of humanity, it's the bad that never disappoints. Did what you're saying occur? I wouldn't doubt there were instances of that. Was survival the primary motivation for stealing TVs and and killing people? In my heart, I don't believe the answer is yes. My friend Occam tells me that the most likely scenario was that the people who engaged in these sorts of activities were simply trying to exploit the situation and got trapped in a corner.

justsayhi - I am really very impressed by your decision to volunteer. Without people like you in the world, there would only be people like me. Best of luck to you, and I hope that you are able to make a difference in the lives of these poor people. Thank you for helping those that need it most.

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