Bush agrees to ban torture  

redmustang91 57M  
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12/16/2005 8:13 am

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Bush agrees to ban torture


About time! US values and reputation in the world has suffered with allies and critics over whether CIA and others can torture suspected terrorists. McCain won this issue with his stubborness and knowledge of the area. Still, in a "24" scenario with a nuclear bomb about to explode in LA, persons with info would be tortured, and rightly so! For general background info suspects can just be deprived of their weekly installment of Desperate Housewives, or not allowed to play video games...

White House backs torture ban law
President George Bush has withdrawn his opposition to legislation banning cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of terrorist suspects. He said it would show the world that the US did not use torture.

Sponsored by Republican Senator John McCain, the law on torture has been the subject of months of negotiations between Congress and the White House.
Mr Bush had threatened to veto the measure, saying it would constrain the military and intelligence agencies.

"We've been happy to work with him to achieve a common objective - and that is to make it clear to the world that this government does not torture" President Bush

But when both the Senate and the House of Representatives came out overwhelmingly in favour of the legislation, Mr Bush did not have much choice, says the BBC's Adam Brookes - even though it is a blow to presidential authority.

It is also being seen as bitter personal defeat for Vice-President Dick Cheney, who had telephoned every Republican senator to try to get the measure derailed.

'Hearts and minds'

The US is already a signatory to the UN Convention on torture. Correspondents say the new law would appear to remove a grey area between tactics that are less severe than torture, but harsher than those allowed by the US army's field manual.

The new legislation would make the rules in the manual the benchmark for future interrogations.

Mr McCain, once a prisoner of war who was tortured in Vietnam and now senator for Arizona, proposed the measure as an amendment to a military spending bill.

The law's supporters argued that it would repair some of the damage done to America's international standing by detainee abuse scandals in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The White House said it would make US interrogators and guards much more vulnerable to lawsuits filed by aggrieved detainees.
Both the Senate and the House of Representatives, which are controlled by the Republicans, disagreed.

Setting the standard

At a joint news conference with Mr McCain at the White House, Mr Bush did not directly mention the new law.

But referring to Mr McCain, Bush said: "We've been happy to work with him to achieve a common objective - and that is to make it clear to the world that this government does not torture, and that we adhere to the International Convention of torture whether it be here at home or abroad."

Senator McCain said the law would help win "hearts and minds" in the fight against terrorism. "We have sent a message to the world that the US is not like the terrorists," he said. "We have no brief for them. But what we are is a nation that upholds values and standards of behaviour and treatment of all people, no matter how evil or bad they are."

stang2813 55M

12/16/2005 8:55 am

Yeah - right - as if the Americans understand the concept of honour - you don't even know how to spell the word.
America is supposed to be a signatory of the Geneva Convention, and a member of the UN.
After their treatment of combatants in Afganistan and Iraq, any captured Americans cannot expect any compassion from their captors.

You only use the Geneva convention when it suits you, and the whole world knows it. You have lost the 'hearts and minds' war - forever.

History is written by the victors - but in the future the world will judge American foreign policy for what it really is.

Worldview of American Courage

Sure - drop your bombs on countries that have no airforces, or radar, or ways to hit a bomber flying two miles high -that's really brave - you should give those pilots medals for courage.


redmustang91 57M  
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12/16/2005 2:39 pm

Stang you are way too cranky, you need to get laid more. Americans have as much honor as those from other countries, and much more than some I could name. Name one you think highly about and then study its history! Humans are a violent and nasty bunch.


redmustang91 57M  
8599 posts
12/16/2005 2:44 pm

Canadians scalped women and children during the French and Indian wars. Canadians killed native Americans who were in their way during their gold rushes. Canadians have fought in numerous wars alongside British and Americans in wars many thought Imperialist and improper. Canadians share many of the same values with Americans and are generally loyal ally of America, along with UK. The large undefended border speaks to American trust and common views with Canadians. The economies are closely linked as Windsor and Detroit show...


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