Loving your adversaries  

puntachueca 105M
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7/19/2006 5:57 am

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Loving your adversaries

The following is from Rob Brezsny's weekly astrology email:


According to Argentinian writer Jorge Luis Gorges, Judas was actually a more exalted hero than Jesus. He unselfishly volunteered to perform the all-important villain's role in the resurrection saga, knowing he'd be reviled
forever. It was a dirty job that only a supremely egoless saint could have done. Jesus suffered, true, but enjoyed glory and adoration as a result.

Let's apply this way of thinking to the task of understanding the role that seemingly bad people play in pronoia.

Interesting narratives play an essential role in the universal conspiracy to give us exactly what we need. All of us crave drama. We love to be
beguiled by twists of fate that unfold the stories of our lives in unpredictable ways. Just as Judas played a key role in advancing the tale
of Christ's quest, villains and con men and clowns may be crucial to the entertainment value of our personal journeys.

Try this: Imagine the people you fear and dislike as pivotal characters in a fascinating and ultimately redemptive plot that will take years or even lifetimes for the Divine Wow to elaborate.


There is another reason to love our enemies: They force us to become smarter. The riddles they thrust in front of us sharpen our wits and sculpt our souls.

Try this: Act as if your adversaries are great teachers. Thank them for how crucial they've been in your education.


Consider one more possibility: that the people who seem to slow us down and hold us back are actually preventing things from happening too fast.

Imagine that the evolution of your life or our culture is like a pregnancy: It needs to reach its full term. Just as a child isn't ready to be born after five months of gestation, the new world we're creating has to ripen in its
own time. The recalcitrant reactionaries who resist the inevitable birth are simply making sure that the far-seeing revolutionaries don't conjure the future too suddenly. They serve the greater good.


Brezsny advocates "pronoia" which is a positive outlook on life. These are useful thoughts as I have to meet with my boss today....

tracy_de_lacy 105F
9268 posts
7/19/2006 9:30 am

More food for thought..you are good for my mind

Bye everyone, it was a blast

puntachueca replies on 7/19/2006 3:22 pm:
TYhanks. Check out Brezsny...he's really good. Has a great book on Amazon

demonicsexkitten 41F
10671 posts
7/19/2006 12:19 pm

i once wrote a poem for my enemy. i'll see if i can find it...

and he was a great person to have in my life. despite i never knew when he'd walk past and slam my head into my locker, or shove me into a brick wall, or what-not... it sure heightened my senses and awareness as to what was around me, even in a crowded hall, even with my back to the crowd. well.... ok. maybe not "Great" but there was some benefit.

they also say.. you know the calibre person you are by the enemies you have. (so, does that mean i'm a nobody???? i don't think i have any enemies anymore. lol) though also... if your enemies can still say good things about you... THAT says a lot.

sheesh... have to find the poem later. got caught up in other issues and have no time to look. have a great night

puntachueca replies on 7/19/2006 3:31 pm:
Looking forward to the poem.

I heard that one about judge your accomplishments not by the list of your friends but by the names of your enemies.... (added later..spoken by a royalist on his way to the King's firing squad)....

I have a lot of enemies....comes with my duties and responsibilities. Originally I was in law enforcement. Even now I have some energetic problem children because I have civil code enforecement power and some people really don't like doing what they are required to do. The only time I get concerned is with death threats from people known to have used violence in the past. But I refuse to carry a weapon in self defense (though have been advised to several times by the cops and I am trained for such stuff).

We have an on-going knock down political battle going on which I am a major target of....and cannot take this personally.

I can see the Biblical "turn the other cheek" and "love you enemies" as the only way to go in this life....even though I don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, that's not to say he didn't have some good thoughts...as did the Prophet and many others.

There is also an interesting concept--one's adversary is merely a reflection of one's self...and whatever peeves you about them is true about yourself...and vice versa...so always look in the mirror to see who is the real "enemy". And when someone is angry at you, they are really saying a lot about their past and their "issues" and there is much to gain from not tit for tating them.

(What the fuck is this shit..?? *rolls eyes*)

7/19/2006 2:21 pm

Jesus was nothing more than a attention whore..He died BEAUSE of the sins of man not FOR them....

...Love your enemies it well drive them crazy...Ready


puntachueca replies on 7/19/2006 3:36 pm:
Absolutely. Ever read The Last Temptation? Great book....

And people wonder where Islamic Fundamentalists get the idea one has to die a martyr to get into Heaven.....

I say gimme that old time religion where we dance in the moonlight, sing with the wolves, pray over the Waters, be one with the Earth, and pray every day to the 4 Winds and Directions at Sunrise and Sunset.

I am building a Kiva circle in my yard, and planting corn right now. It sits on top of an ancient Indian ruin.

complexlysimple 34M

7/19/2006 6:35 pm

And when thinking in this frame of mind ...the world seems a perfect place ingeniously designed ..so all that's left to do is kick back, be your self and enjoy a nice strong drink...

Simple living at it's finest ..though it may take a lot of thought to reach it.

puntachueca replies on 7/19/2006 7:27 pm:
all that's left to do is kick back, be your self and enjoy a nice strong drink...

Works for me.

demonicsexkitten 41F
10671 posts
7/20/2006 8:37 am

the thing about radical extremists (not "fundamentalists" though i guess it doesn't really matter since everyone knows you're talking the same ppl) is that they are so close-minded... you can quote scripture and slap them with holy books and traditions and sayings of Prophets and examples and all that till you're blue in the face and your head feels like you've pounded it into a brick wall for days... it won't phase them one iota (hm... what IS an iota, anyway?)

puntachueca replies on 7/20/2006 12:14 pm:
I've often pondered what the difference was between a "fundamentalist" and a "radical extremist"...word are insufficient to distinguish.

One thing I see that is common in Islam, Judiasm and Christianity is that some "members" speaking in the name of God or the religion, come to some really strange interpretations of what it "right" and then justify all sorts of nastiness against others (who aren't really "people" in their minds). I think they are all "heretics"...whether Fallwell, Robertson, the Jews running around in the settlements, bin Laden...and each religion ought to have a way to "disaffiliate" them so the masses of good loving people of all faiths are not tainted by those acting on behalf of Satan.

Unfortunately when the US kills innocent Muslims in Iraq, or the Jews bomb civilians in Lebanon, this simply strengthens the heretrics appeal.

Always thought it would be an interesting scene..Moses, Jesus and the Prophet all return to Earth together and they go to Jerusalem, Mecca and Rome. They each explain to their "followers" where they got the original messages wrong. They are run out of Mecca, Jerusalem and Rome. So they end up in Salt Lake City....
You might find this interesting...my mom was Jewish and my dad Catholic. The version of Judiasm (Reformed) that I grew up with is not recognized as a "true" faith by the conservatives fundamentalists or whatever who run Israel. So...to the Arabs I am a Jew, but to Israel I'm not. Reformed Jewish marriages, for example, are not recognized as legal in Israel. And to the Mormons I am a "gentile".... go figure.

"iota" small quanitity, jot, the 9th letter of the Greek alphabet

demonicsexkitten 41F
10671 posts
7/20/2006 8:53 am

and i got the poem... it's a bit corny maybe. i wrote it in High School. (i'm a published poet too... national anthology. 2 of them. naturally the corniest poem i ever wrote and really dislike made it in. screwey world.)

"My Enemy"

I wish to say thank you,
and in a way I love you like a friend.
For though you are my enemy,
You've been here unconditionally.
And if I say I hate you,
and you the same to me,
that is one thing that doesn't seem to change.
But we still talk to eachother
if in a fight we get.
So I wish to say thank you,
My Enemy.


and speaking of enemies from being in law enforcement... i totally understand. my former roommate worked in domestic violence, and helped put many men in prison. And talk about freaky... one night she gave me the "this will incapacitate, this will kill" self-defense lesson. She keeps her doors locked 24/7, totally unlisted anywhere. There are many men that, should they ever get out, have threatened to hunt her down. She was also big into the human rights movement and had her house bombed by white supremicists... this was long before i lived there though. that actually may have had to do with the domestic violence issue too... apparently they cross over a lot.

i think most ppl that have hated me in the past... they've been relatively beyond my radar. like... "what's that buzzing? she hates me?? why? i don't even know her" types. I currently have a friend with a g/f who has supposedly made threats against me. I told my friend to tell her if she really wants to hunt me down, go ahead. If she does go through all the trouble to cross the states and show up on my doorstep, i'll have the police take care of it. no biggie. i even offered to meet her face to face last time i was in DC. to be considered an "enemy" does it have to be a mutual thing??? i think i'm too pacifistic at the moment.

puntachueca replies on 7/20/2006 12:19 pm:
Great poem!!!!

An ironic thing...I am trained both in how and when to use violence, as well as in non-violent management of situations. I figure, if they're going to kill me, so be it. Short of that, I can do a lot with non-violent training to diffuse and resolve angry shit.

But I grew up with crosses being burnt in my family's yard by the KKK and have had a lifetime of physical confrontation. I can see where your friend comes from...bnut one simply cannot live well wrapped in fear. Yes, there are ineed some seriously sick and crazy people out there. Best to ignore and avoid them, not confront or attract them. Be "invisible" to them...

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