By the time I get to Phoenix  

puntachueca 105M
2534 posts
8/3/2006 3:40 am

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8/6/2006 6:44 am

By the time I get to Phoenix

Off to Phoenix this morning.

Phoenix is a strange place. A huge city in the desert with really no reason for existing.

1000 years ago the Hohokam Indians built a city in the Salt River Valley, and it got wiped out by some kind of environmental disaster. The modern Phoenix is built on top of the ruins of the ancient city.

Since it is the capitol of Arizona, those of us from the hinterlands have to go there to plead our cases with the state government. From their perspective (which is decidedly extreme right wing) we're all a bunch of screaming barbarians living in the wild. Just because we really don't think we need more golf courses and Republicans, we're viewed as radicals. Or Democrats (same thing to them).

The cowboys got to Phoenix once a year just to remind themselves how great it is to live far away from a city..

PrincessKarma 43F
6188 posts
8/3/2006 1:14 pm

"The modern Phoenix is built on top of the ruins of the ancient city."


The Big Bang was the mother of all orgasms.PrincessKarma

puntachueca replies on 8/3/2006 6:45 pm:
Yep. They've dug up some of the ruins.

amoldenough 69F
16436 posts
8/3/2006 2:14 pm

Well, if I lived in Phoenix, I would certainly invite you, and any of your cowboy friends who care to come, for a nice swim in my pool and you could all hang around naked. What a treat for me!!!!!!

"Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened."

puntachueca replies on 8/3/2006 6:45 pm:


rm_wetfingeraz 53F
3012 posts
8/5/2006 11:01 pm

I'm sorry that you don't like my hometown. I'm even sorrier that you felt it was necessary to be so disparaging about it. Interestingly, I did an alpha search on the blogs for "Tucson", and not one Phoenix area blogger (or any other part of Arizona, for that matter) felt that it was necessary to say anything derogatory about your town. In fact, the only people that had anything negative at all to say about Tucson were people that live in and around Tucson.

Personally, I've only had the opportunity to go to Tucson once, for an alternative healing convention. I only went for the day and did not have an opportunity to explore your city. I've been through it and past it on I-10, and have always been wanting to stop and enjoy it.

But, now I'm not so sure. If all the citizens are as elitist and condescending as this post has made you and a couple other residents of Tucson out to be, then perhaps it's not the nice place I'd always heard that it was.

What a shame.

puntachueca replies on 8/6/2006 6:55 am:
A little background for perspective...I deal with the state government a lot...including the legislature. This bunch is obviously not representative of the broader population (I hope).

Tucson always insisted it wasn't going to be like Phoenix...I live 60 miles south and I can't tell the difference when it comes to urban sprawl and every intersection looking the same.

I also had quite a battle back in the 70's over state water policy up there...the madness of building an oasis in the desert but what happens when Roosevelt Lake runs dry?

Here we are with immense amounts of solar energy but our state government is doing a fraction of what other states are doing to encourage this...we can't live forever on foreign oil, either.

I think the thing that bothers me so much about Phoenix is the general arrogance that money will solve everything, poor people deserve what they get because God willed it, and the main function of government is to give tax breaks to corporations.

One day I was at the Tower (the gov's office) along with a delegation from the rural areas of the state asking for a fairer share of the gas tax money so we could solve some of our road problems...Maricopa County sucks of a huge disproportionate share of gas tax and state revenue share money beyond a population based shared split...and the answer was..."you have to talk to us and while you're driving through Phoenix, you're driving on your tax money." Meanwhile I have a town cut in half by the ralroad, can't get my ambulances, fire trucks and police cars from one side of the town to the other, the trains are hauling Fords and cement to Phoenix, and we can't get a dime for a bridge over the tracks in the next 10 years because loop 202 needs another 5 mile extension.

We actually have a movement sort of down here...take the Gadsden Purchase and create the 51st state called Baja Arizona.

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