A Musical Education - Part 1  

kitz6 59F
1045 posts
1/22/2006 12:10 pm

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A Musical Education - Part 1

Michael Praetorius's "In dulci jubilo."
Gregorian chants so you know what Michael was up against.
Handel's "Messiah" and "Water music"
Bach - Magnificat or Christmas Oratorio as well as his concertos
then there are his kids.
Gabrieli's "Benedixisti, Domine"
Cherubini's "Missa Solemnis"
Vivaldi - anything really
Paganini - watch violinists being tortured
Mouret's "Fanfare"
Pachabel's "Canon"
the rest of the Italians = Albinoni, Corelli and Locatelli
Then you come to Mozart and Wagner.
but on to the good stuff! BEETHOVEN
the odd numbered symphonies esp the 9th are his best works and the choral of the 9th is sublime!
then you come to Liszt and the Russians. But after Beethoven you see the same die back as you do in literature after Shakespeare - the master had spoken so no one else ventured forth anything for almost 300 years.

But what you will have seen is how orchestral music, after having been banned for so many years in reaction to the ancient Romans (pagans), slowly returned. Also notice how the ancient atonalities changed to more harmonious, to our ears, forms. If you would compare the atonal and minor key Sweet Silver Bells to the modern carol Silver Bells, you will immediately hear the difference.

The other point is that here in the west, we have been searching for a true bass instrument of enough power to really carry the weight of the music. We had hose huge pipe organs in churches but they aren't exactly portable. Beethoven really did break pianos since those of his day simply were not strong enough to handle his music - it is not just a story. Praetorius had drums and rebecs for his bass instruments and, in fact, it wasn't until the 1960's with the development of the Fender bass guitar that we got a truly powerful bass instrument. The double bass and tuba not quite being what was needed.

lowellgk 52F

1/22/2006 4:40 pm

You've ignored entire centuries of music without equal....

Mahler's Kindertotenlieder are some of the most hauntingly beautiful songs ever written.

Puccini's Tosca - Oh my God!

Grieg's Peer Gynt

I admit, after Gershwin and Copland, the list goes quite short.

kitz6 59F

1/22/2006 7:20 pm

Yes some like Puccini and Grieg and Mahler also Tschaikovsky and Moussagorsky please pardon my spelling not to mention Korsekov. Whatever hun, we all have our favorites and I do like Brahms but they all pale when Beethoven comes on. Berloiz yes indeed, nice man hated Carmen.

Classical fight!! Yeehaw!! Get ready to rumble!!

rappahannock_man 61M
1102 posts
1/22/2006 8:39 pm

Always enjoyed this, althought I don't necessary agree with it....

"Wagner - The of the Sabines... a kommers in Olympus.

"Beethoven - The glory that was Greece... the grandeur that was Rome... a laugh.

"Haydn - A siedel on the table... a girl of your knee... another and different girl in your heart.

"Chopin - Two embalmers at work upon a minor poet... the scent of tuberoses... Autumn rain.

"Richard Strauss - Old Home Week in Gomorrah.

"Johann Strauss - Forty couple dancing... one by one they slip from the hall... sounds of kisses... the lights go out.

"Puccini - Silver macaroni, exquisitely tangled.

"Debussy - A pretty girl with one blue eye and one brown one.

"Bach - Genesis I, I."

*****FROM H.L. Mencken The Smart Set, May 1912

rappahannock_man 61M
1102 posts
1/22/2006 8:47 pm

And for me? I play with many others, but I always go home with Beethoven.

Have you ever listened to the 1957 Klemperer/Philharmonia recording of the 6th? Extraordinary!

kitz6 59F

1/23/2006 5:11 am

Ah! serious players huh? Okay then, *rolling up sleeves* how about Guillaume Dufay
Born: 5 August 1397, Bersele (Belgium)
Died: 27 November 1474, Kamerijk/Cambrai (Belgium)
By the mid-1420, Dufay was already one of the most famous composers in Europe, having composed such landmark works as Adieu ces bons vins de Lannoys (in 3 parts) and Apostolo glorioso (in 5 parts), two of many compositions for which a specific historical occasion can be identified. Quite The Man for his time.

rappahannock_man 61M
1102 posts
1/24/2006 11:02 am

Guillaume Dufay?! Guillaume Dufay?! What kind of candy-assed name is that for a man, anyway? Some kind of faggoty Fwenchman, I'll wager. Wearin purple shirts, and fingering some damn lute or something....

Listen to me hard, pilgrim.

Lock the door. Light some candles. Pour yourself a double (the good stuff!). Take all your clothing off. (You heard me!) Pull your best chair up close to the speakers. Put on the Egmont Overture. Loud. Louder! And let go.....

That magnificent macho bar-by-bar Beethoven will pound you and pound you till you can't imagine that it is not a part of you, alive and inside you!

And then you'll be glad to let Guillaume Dufay take his lute and go back to Fwance.

kitz6 59F

1/24/2006 11:40 am

He's from Belgium actually. And I prefer the odd numbered symphonies turned up to the volume known as puree'.

lowellgk 52F

1/25/2006 6:55 am

What am I going to do with the two of you????

Perhaps a few minutes on a lovely spring morning with the second movement of Dvorak's New World Symphony? You will discover that all is right with the world. I promise.

rappahannock_man 61M
1102 posts
1/25/2006 7:01 am

Yeah, you strike me as a 7th Symphony kind of girl....

Was no Belgium in the 1400s. Dufay was a "Walloon" -- a Fwenchman, for all intents and purposes.

kitz6 59F

1/25/2006 1:44 pm

Rappa's quibbling again!!!! yeah yeah Dvorak's New World Symphony. Very nice!

btw I know what you could do with the two of us *EG*

rappahannock_man 61M
1102 posts
1/25/2006 5:41 pm

The body of a smiling, unclothed man was found today.... The cause of death has not yet been specified, but the medical examiner was heard to say, "Lucky stiff! What a way to go!"

Police report that two unclothed women were seen fleeing the scene....

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