Government Sanctioned Maturity  

keithcancook 60M
10710 posts
11/28/2005 7:58 pm
Government Sanctioned Maturity

After completing and returning the required documents, my 18 year old son has finally recieved his Official Registration Acknowledgement Card from the United States Government. He is now in the database as a potential draftee for the US military.

The government says he is old enough now to be trained to kill. Yet they refuse to sell him a lousy beer. He will be old enough for that when he is 21, according to them. Hmm, I wonder what criteria they used to delineate these levels of maturity for us?

When I was eighteen the government thought it was ok to sell me beer. Today they have changed their mind, and the law. (I wonder if there is a correlation there?)

Oh well, at least he can vote now.


11/28/2005 8:28 pm

He's OK to be slaughtered by the enemy but can't take a drink to save his life.

There's military intelligence for ya!



rm_saintlianna 45F
15466 posts
11/28/2005 8:31 pm

They were selling me packs of Marlboro at fourteen, but I am not sure what the point of me telling that was. Oh well.

saddletrampsk 54F

11/28/2005 9:41 pm

I am shocked they can do this when men are only 18 years old..I am shocked any government can make any man or woman kill people..especially in the name of religion and oil..

barbiebunny 36F
5597 posts
11/29/2005 3:46 am

ya go figure sheesh!

Its good to be...ME

sexymermaid6956 63F
26393 posts
11/29/2005 4:36 am

i was under the impresstion that once in basic training the military WILLL teach them how to DRINK...mmmmm....


Seduce my mind and my body

rm_1hotwahine 63F
21091 posts
11/29/2005 7:24 am

See now I was part of the first group of 18 year olds who were allowed to vote! Prior to the 1972 election, he wouldn't even have had the right to vote the clowns out of office who made the wars that caused the draft!

Yeah, I'm still [blog 1hotwahine]

spinmedown 49M
3626 posts
11/29/2005 8:40 am

I got my first hunting license when I was twelve.
I'm not sure what that means, but I thought it might be interesting to add twelve year olds walking around with firearms to the mixture.

Most people are other people... FUCKING CHARACTER LIMIT!!! ~Oscar Wilde

frangipanigal 44F
10406 posts
11/29/2005 8:47 am

Two more reasons to be happy I am Australian...

1. No Military draft system.

2. Legal Drinking age is 18

Keith, I made a wish that your sons number doesnt come up.

Frangi x

expatbrit49 62M

11/29/2005 3:24 pm

Its a strange place the US, I was talking to my son just a few days ago about the very same thing, old enough to select who run the country, old enough to buy and own a gun and old enough die for that country, but not old enough have a beer. Like frangi, glad I live a more sensable country

Thank You for Your Time and Attention

interested13563 53M
2557 posts
11/29/2005 4:00 pm

They thought there were too many freedoms in the sixties and
seventies and they have succeded in removing some of them.

interested13563 53M
2557 posts
11/29/2005 4:03 pm

They thought there were too many freedoms in the sixties and
seventies and they have succeded in removing some of them.
But they still want their young (and not so young) citizens
to be available to die for oil. It is absurd but there is a
scheme behind that.

rm_jayR63 59F
1884 posts
11/29/2005 4:21 pm

Bizzaro World is a more sensible place.

rm_sj365 55F
2414 posts
11/29/2005 4:35 pm

"Today they have changed their mind, and the law."

thats so cute Keith...yer still innocent enough to believe the government thinks befor it does stuff.


rm_luke69iner 48M
3275 posts
11/29/2005 7:55 pm

Mmmn ... lousy beer is my favorite kind. The great thing about drinking lousy beer is I can tell the ladies that the reason that I'm a lousy lover is because of the lousy beer I drink.

As a man drinketh so must he doeth.

S'io credesse che mia risposta fosse
A persona che mai tornasse al mondo,
Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse.
Ma perciocche giammai di questo fondo
Non torno vivo alcun, s'i'odo il vero,
Senza tema d'infamia ti rispondo

rm_Tootsy_Roll 61F
13 posts
11/29/2005 10:38 pm

Laws change all the time, in fact that very issue is brought up all the time... go figure.. if they fight with someone in school, get in a car accident ect... and cause any kind of bodily harm they are tried as an adult... and get jail time. Still all and all relax...drinking may have been legal for me also at 18, but I was buying and drinking at 14 LOL...I'm pretty sure its still the same way today...

bardicman 50M

11/29/2005 11:01 pm

Its a bizarre thing indeed.

Personally I have always believed that when you are at the age of being considered an adult (1 then you are old enough to make all the decisions that an adult can make. Including the purchase and consumption of alcoholic beverages.

I am not dead yet

tillerbabe 55F

11/29/2005 11:49 pm

What "Wahine" said.....
That sucs!


11/30/2005 12:17 am

Not meaning to bump this up a few levels on the ridiculosity scale but did anyone catch Law and Odor SVU tonight?

That Patriot Act is really a Bitch!!!!

And not to confuse the art of screenwriting/TVshows with reality but the concept of freedom and that peice of mislegislation do _not_ go together.


slidein2meplz 61F
1994 posts
11/30/2005 12:43 am

It doesn't make a bit of sense...not one. Very sad.

~~~ Just me, poppin to say HI! ~~

_CoffeeNoCream_ 52F

11/30/2005 3:20 am

americans and voting....for some weird reason that worries me.


keithcancook 60M
17718 posts
11/30/2005 7:11 am

Oh, I am certain that he will learn much about the effects of alchohol if he ever joins the military KC JJ.

There are always ways around the laws saint. In the other extreme, there are many stories of kids to young to enlist who lie about their age and are accepted.

Are you truly shocked saddletrampsk? Human history abounds with wars of religion and over resources. It is what we do...

Agreed candy. When placed together the two issues seem to make little sense. Separately, perhaps it has been determined that alchohol is more dangerous to the young than soldiering. Thus they make them wait a few years before sanctioning drinking.

I love your figure bunnzy baby! Mmmmm, yummy!

I beleive that is true sexymermaid.

My first election was 1976, wahine. I voted for Jerry Ford. I got Jimmy Carter.

Training our young in the use of firearms was an historical necessity in the early days of the Republic spinmedown. This tradition has continued, long after the "necessity" has lost it's importance.

Thank you for the wish frangipanigal. I hope it doesn't come to that, but if he is called up, I believe he will do his duty.

keithcancook 60M
17718 posts
11/30/2005 10:15 am

Oh, I'm sure there are more than a few unsensible things going on in that paradise of a country that you now call home expat, ol pal...

"Defense" of the nation has been a primary duty of a citizen since humans first banded together into communities, interested. I reckon the "scheme" is for the survival of the society, which makes sense in its most basic form.

It is when we change the definition of what constitutes "defense" that we get ourselves involved in foreign wars.

Is Bizzaro World accepting lunatics for citizenship, jayR? I wish to emigrate there.

Certainly they think before they act sj. Yet by the time they move it through the beaurocracy the conditions outside have since changed...

Oh yes, Tootsy Roll. I'm certain that that is still the way of it...

Agreed bard. That sounds reasonable to me too.

Perhaps there is some sense in it slide. Young soldiers can be conditioned to follow orders and to kill. They can also learn skills that will serve them well when they leave the service. Young drinkers can lose their life potential if they become alchoholics, and thus unproductive to society for life.

Gawd, I hope you are wrong about that honni. We need to get out of this Iraqi morass ASAP.

Ha ha, CnC! Those nutty Americans can be dangerous at the polls, can they not?

GleesFlakyShawl 50M
1620 posts
11/30/2005 10:44 am

keith, buddy, i do hope ur kid never gets any call....

now Bizarro World does accept lunatics for residents (expat and myself are exhibits

now, maybe if people begin driving older than 16, u might need less oil ....

and i do recall u didnt like my comment months ago, but what u said is not surprising from a scoiety that once tried to ban booze, but never guns......

papyrina 51F
21133 posts
11/30/2005 11:52 am

send him to me hun,i'll look after him till the wars are all over and done with,and honest i'll be good

I'm a

i'm here to stay

papyrina 51F
21133 posts
11/30/2005 11:56 am

in the Uk,
16 for sex and cigs
17 for Army
18 for marriage and vote
18 for Alcohol

They have no draft and should raise alchol till there 40,they might be mature enough to handl it by then but knowing the brits no chance of that happening.
Marriage at 14 for all those undersage children who get pregnant and the lttle shits who pregnate them,if your mature enough to do it your mature enough to use protection,if marriage was enforced they soon zip it back up.

minor rant over

I'm a

i'm here to stay

silkysmoothlegs3 105F

12/1/2005 5:51 am

I hope to god he never gets a call

If he does send him to Ireland silky will look adopt him and look after him and you can come visit and look after silky xxxxxx

Silky x

caressmewell 53F

12/1/2005 7:26 am

Keith, as the parent of an 18 yo son myself, I don't understand this either. Let's keep our fingers crossed for both of them

TopFisher 63M

12/1/2005 1:47 pm

Oh to be government sanctioned!

Well it's one of those less than desirable rites of passage.

I hope he never has to go by being called up, if he decides to do such on his own I would wish him the best of the best. Can be one great carrer starter and when you get out? You are a young fellow still and have a pretty good monthly income flowing. Lots of free education available with in the military too.

But I would suggest that he lay low for the time being and let this mess air out first.

XesSex03 50M/48F

12/1/2005 8:31 pm

As an employer, seeing military experience on a resume is a major plus. It usually indicates a better work ethic and a desire to do something with themselves.
As a father, I would much rather see my sons fighting to free a people knowing that their country is behind them 100% rather than in the aftermath doing the cleanup work when it seems that most of their home country refuses to see the good things that they have accomplished and refuses to admit that no matter what the reasons for going there, the world is still better off with Saddam Hussein removed from power.
As a father I would much rather have seen my sons fighting in Iraq now than face seeing them in North Korea when they actually get old enough to join or be drafted as the case may be by then. Especially knowing that if we had stood togehter as a country from the beginning of the war then these other countries that still threaten us would still be shaking in their boots as they were when we went into Iraq because they would know that the only thing that stood between them and total annihilation is our compassion.
Doesn't anybody realize that our men over there had a much better survival rate before the enemy saw Americans fighting amongst themselves over who's right and who's wrong. They see us divided and to them that is only one thing. Weakness.
Mr. Xes

Tala4u2 54M  
2957 posts
12/2/2005 7:07 pm

Offer Of Political Asylum for KCC offspring from Ausytralian Duke of Decadence and Debauchery, PLUSES; Legal Drinking age 18yrs,No Draft as this affects attendance at sporting events and related Beer consumption efforts, Can learn important life skills, Crocodile wrestling and swimming with sharks.

Tala, Wizard of The Kingdom of BooBoBia, DEITY,

lustmirror 63M
2897 posts
12/2/2005 10:39 pm

When they re-instate the draft
they will lower the drinking age
they'll have to

keithcancook 60M
17718 posts
12/3/2005 3:19 pm

    Quoting SensuallyKatey:

    yeppers go figure!!

    I guess I could go one step further just sayin~~
    I once had two sons that had to register at 18.
    I could not teach them how to kill but
    I did teach them the drinking in moderation.
    Didnt save them from any one government though.

    again with me wet wet wet lips kissin the ground I walk on.

    hugggggles my friend~~
    Kate {=}
If governments come knocking, it is difficult to extricate yourself from them.

How come yer still walking Katey? Didn't you pick up yer trike in my comment area of two posts ago?

keithcancook 60M
17718 posts
12/3/2005 4:02 pm

dz, societies change and go in different directions over time. Our society isn't perfect, and neither is any other. Utopia is an ideal, not a reality.
As for the oil, we will be needing more not less.

Thanks papy. I'm sure that you will mind your p's and q's if my strapling son came to live with you... NOT!
PS: You go on and rant all you like. This IS The Venting Blog, don't you know?

Jeeze polly, you're an Aussie? With all the travelling you do I just figured you to be a wanderer without a home...

It's odd allright, sil.

Ahh, I would love to visit Ireland, silky. I have anscestors there.

Thanks, caressmewell. There's so much to worry about as parents, and now this. Oh well, the future will bring what it may...

Yes, sexyfitwoman. I know some of the criteria used by the government when they raised the drinking age. In fact, I support those laws. Our family too, has suffered the severest of losses due to alchohol imbibing young people. I was wondering who would be the first to point out that the law was passed to reduce the loss of life. On the other hand, the draft law will increase the loss of life. (hopefully more on the enemy's part, rather than ours)

I hear you TopFisher. I discussed the option of joining the military with my son on several occasions while he was still in high school. It is an acceptable means to learn some skills. Or even as a full fledged carreer. I am not anti-draft if it is for the defense of the nation. I do oppose using the military for "nation-building" as has been attempted recently in Iraq, however.

Some wars seem to divide societies rather than unite them Mr. Xes. In a free land there will always be debate.

Agreed BigGirlzRSweet. While there may be good reasons to differentiate levels of maturity, on the surface it seems quite odd.

Just keep the females from clawing him all at once Tala. OK? (they are all over him here).

Hullo there lustmirror! It is very nice to see you here again! I agree with your prediction.

rm_corezon 53F
3376 posts
12/4/2005 2:24 pm

No disrespect to anyone intended, but I have 2 teenage sons also:

1. I would have to see the statistics (multiple studies supporting each other that were not paid for by the government, they are as unbiased as the pharmaceutical companies wanting to market a drug) proving the death rate due to alcohol actually dropped...all the 18-21 year olds I know (and I know alot) still have access to alcohol via older friends and siblings. I have noticed that alot more teens have problems affording vehicles and car insurance compared with when I was their age--everybody had a car--since the cost of all has increased and the influx of Mexicans is taking unskilled labor jobs away and the minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation. There are no public teen hangout spots around here anymore, either, so there's more reason to hang out in private homes and less reason to be cruising the mall and the waterfront (you'll be stopped and given a ticket). Road checks for licenses and drinking are common in my town. Wonder which facts are causation and which are correlation.
2. Having done R%D and working with statistics, I happen to know for a fact that researchers tweak their numbers, leave out relevant facts, and tend to association correlation with causation which isn't logical but most Americans fall for it hook line and sinker.
3. If we see it in print we believe it--hey, look at the Iraq war. We were all in shock and ticked off about the WTC so we took the bait to go kick some terrorist butt and then found ourselves magically in the country with the biggest untapped oil reserves in the world on the guise of being after Saddam Hussein and WMD--even AFTER the govt knew most of the WTC terrorists were Saudis---forget those terrorists, all the administration was waiting for was an excuse to invade the Middle East and Iraq. If you can't see that, you haven't been paying attention to something.
4. We have too many professional politicians who make their living passing socially acceptable laws regardless of logic.
5. We have too many citizens that get their "facts" from soundbites.

And even if the death rate did drop:

6. We live in a nation of hypocracy that is quick to pass laws against things that are "bad" for you...consider the Bush phenomenon and the drive to legislate routine road checks, the Patriot Act (well, now, if you're a good citizen and YOU'RE clean you can't possibly be AGAINST proving it so that we can catch all the bad guys, can you? despite the millions and billions of dollars we throw away on perfectly useless endeavors...)
7. It is just as logical to completely outlaw alcohol, tobacco, adultery, and whatever, because it will save even more families and lives, right? If it's against the law nobody's going to do it, right? How the devil do you think the mafia and the drug underground got all their money and power, anyhow? Why is America the biggest consumer of illicit drugs in the entire world if making it illegal is that much of a disincentive?

It is this blindness and inability to think rationally that Americans persist in, that cannot see the reality for the political, religious, and scientific rhetoric that in a society as capitalistic as this one is, is unbalanced with power and money being the driving force behind virtually every statistic you see and the older we all get the more immersed we become in group think and the more easily we become manipulated with emotional ploys and misleading numbers.

In my opinion it is completely self-serving for a nation to send it's 18 year olds to war to potentially die for this country and yet not allow them to drink alcohol--or if they get busted give them jail time and/or court fees and I am amazed that anybody can seriously think that this dichotomy is acceptable. The more easily you can rationalizing voting away someone else's rights, the closer you are to losing your own.

Ok I"m off my podium now.

rm_corezon 53F
3376 posts
12/4/2005 2:40 pm

Draft 2006:

My sons have 4 friends already in Iraq. Talk of the draft is a done deal according to them and what they are hearing from the brass. When I took my older son to get his driver's license this summer the DMV lady said they were expecting draft legislation to come within the next few weeks. The military is becoming unable to support the level of involvement in Iraq and the rest of the world as evidenced by decreasing recruits and higher levels of National Guard being sent to Iraq. The only people that aren't aware that the draft is coming are those that don't know anybody in the military or any politicians personally. The only thing that will avert it a decreasing of our involvement in Iraq and the resolution of the American public.

(If this posts twice please delete at least one. Always feel free to delete. I get longwinded.)

pussinboots4u 50M/47F

12/5/2005 9:13 am

No, it just doesn't make sense. Hope what corezon just said doesn't become a reality! It does seem as though we will be left their alone very soon and I'm assuming we will have 2 options, pull out or the draft.

keithcancook 60M
17718 posts
12/5/2005 8:38 pm

Well, wherever it ended up, I hope you will be more careful with that trike from now on Katey, dearie.

Well said, corezon! This is the type of rant for which The Venting Blog has become famous!

Statistics are useful, but you are correct to be wary and look at them carefully. The very same numbers can often be used to support both sides of an argument if the user is skilled.

The military is well known as a rumor mill. I do not believe the draft will return as a result of this present war. There is not enough support politically at this point in time.

Thanks candysoveryverysweet! There really are no correct answers for the issues raised in this post. Drinking ages and draft ages... They are completely different animals. They should be treated separately, subject to different criteria.

Yet, I remember when the drinking age was raised, and the issue of being old enough to be a soldier, but not old enough to drink a beer was widely discussed. I thought it would be interesting to see how you guys felt about it... (and it has been interesting)

We will pull out before we initiate a draft puss. Gawd help us if we get sucked in deeper...

deliciousngood 64F
1666 posts
12/6/2005 8:37 am

Everyone on both ends of the political psectrum MUST see the senseless dichotomy of this!

A Truth of war: Old men plan and young men die.

MsLoveRose 33F  
2432 posts
12/6/2005 9:31 am

~~~~ wondering if keith took her comment of ....maybe it just didnt make it here!!

live more, laugh often, love much

keithcancook 60M
17718 posts
12/6/2005 2:14 pm

Yes, that is a truth of war delicious. The young are too busy living to plan for dying.

If there is another comment from you in this post sunrisegirl, I do not see it. Grrr. Whacky website...

IPman 60M
313 posts
12/9/2005 6:27 am

2 things Keith:

1) Wow the kid thing is kinda scary... I have a friend who has his youngest son serving in IRAQ right now... (my hats off to all of those who are) and the Dad is non-stop thinking about it and worrying over it. YIKES

2) I just missed the Vietnam war by 1 year.. my Dad told me he would have brought me up to Canada... I went to my local Draft Board and signed up and got my draft card... (1A) and 2 months later went to an aniti war protest, burned my card up and sent the board my card's ashes, about a month later I was sent another card! LOL

Thank god we could drink at 18 back then.. kinda stressfull times... but other on here are correct, moving the drinking age up will save a bunch of lives...

Great blog!

keithcancook 60M
17718 posts
12/10/2005 1:05 pm

Hullo there IPman! Welcome back to The Venting Blog! I just barely missed being drafted myself for that conflict in Vietnam. Fortunately for me and many others, it was ended in time.

Unfortunately, it was the death of many of our countryman and allies as well as for the "enemy", who died in the millions.

If my kid gets drafted I will urge him to do his duty. While we are both against the war, he says he is going to emigrate if he gets drafted. I will support him either way.

MaggiesWishes 60F

12/14/2005 1:06 pm

<~~ had something really meaningful to say... broke into tears, bbl.

keithcancook 60M
17718 posts
12/14/2005 4:15 pm

Aww, it's ok Maggie.

MrNuttz05 49M

12/15/2005 7:39 pm

I am pro-military & anti-government... I spent many years with Uncle Sam misfits & it was truly something special... Didn't like what I had to do in "Desert Storm", but had to do it regardless of my emotions. Battles are fought everywhere, but we, as AMERICANS have to start to win the battle of the vote. And that one is the one that he can participate in NOW! Don't worry, he will be a chip of the ol' block

TTigerAtty 62M

12/16/2005 6:06 am

Wow, Keith, lots of issues! Lots of points made that I agree with and some that I don't. Thanks for the post! I'm like you. I doubt that we will go back to a draft in this country. And I also agree that there would be tremendous pressure to reduce our involvement in Iraq and other places in the world before re-instituting the draft. But, their are many potential danger spots in the world, and so anything is possible I guess!

I frequently notice that there is a tendency to diss the United States of America, either our government, our leaders, our American people or just everything and everybody. We do it as Americans, and people from other countries do it too!

I would simply implore all of us who are Americans to recognize and acknowledge that we live in a country where we are free to express our views and elect the people who will in turn represent us, making the policy decisions and creating the laws that affect our lives. When we disagree with policy or laws we are free to go to the polls and vote for change. So, I say to those who would "curse the darkness" .... hey, go "light a candle"! In this country, we can all make a difference if we care enough to really get involved with important issues rather than just sit on the sidelines and grumble.

And to all of our good friends from many other countries of the world, yes, you can go ahead and criticize America and Americans all you want. In fact, it's been the popular thing to do since our country was founded back in 1776. But, when you need our assistance and I hope that day will never come for you, your family or your country, and whether that need be economic, military defense or otherwise, we will be there, and we will stand with you to defend against tyranny, terrorism and expansionism, always in the cause of freedom. If, God forbid, a natural disaster should befall your countryland, we will be there with our people, our money, our resources and yes, even our military to help our friends in need. We have always been there for other people, and I believe we always will be!

Many of you, your families, your forefathers and the countries of your birth and citizenship have stood with the United States of America in the defense of freedom, from our revolution, thru the great world wars and now again in Iraq. It was heart warming to see the offers of economic and resource assistance that came from other countries after our recent hurricane disasters. As one greatful American, let me say that I personally appreciate the help and support you have provided.

And now, for my fellow American bloggers, do you remember this highly popular song by Lee Greenwood? Do you remember how you feel every time you hear it sung? Well then, Americans, stand up right there at your computers and sing along!

God Bless the U.S.A.
by Lee Greenwood

If tomorrow all the things were gone Iíd worked for all my life,
And I had to start again with just my children and my wife.
Iíd thank my lucky stars to be living here today,
ĎCause the flag still stands for freedom and they canít take that away.

And Iím proud to be an American where at least I know Iím free.
And I wonít forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And Iíd gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
ĎCause there ainít no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A.

From the lakes of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee,
across the plains of Texas, from sea to shining sea,
From Detroit down to Houston and New York to LA,
Well, thereís pride in every American heart,
and itís time to stand and say:

Iím proud to be an American where at least I know Iím free.
And I wonít forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And Iíd gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
ĎCause there ainít no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A.

OK, Americans! Are you feelin' better?! And are you really 'proud to be an American'?!

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