"Jarhead"...the movie....whatever...  

jim5131 55M
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11/14/2005 10:21 am

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"Jarhead"...the movie....whatever...

Okay...I said I wouldn't see it but Son1 already did..and called me on it...now Son2 wanted to see it...so WhatTheHeck..

I already have a problem with Anthony Swofford.
I had browsed through his book when it first came out.... and was a little disappointed in his rendition of the Corps.

He says he was a STA Platoon member with 2nd Bn, 7th Marines. The 7th Marine Regiment is based in 29Palms, California, a base of which I am well aquainted...I spent a year there.

The STA Platoon is Surveillance/Target Acquisition Team, or snipers. They are usually company strength that chops squads and platoons to deploying MAGTFs (Marine Air Ground Task Forces). They do not fight as a unit, rather they are employed in small teams as a surveillance and sniping tool for the MAGTF commander. The STA teams usually report to the Intel Officer in the command center unless is direct support of a company or platoon of infantry.

The 2nd Bn, 7th Marines were Task Force Grizzly during the `91 Gulf War and almost completely truck-based. They proceeded to the far left of 1st Marine Expeditionary's (1MEF) line. To their right was Task Force Ripper (1/5, 3rd Tanks and 1/7). To the further right was TF Papa Bear (1/1, 1st Tanks and 3/9) and to the far right was TF Taro (3rd Marines). TF XRay was 3rd Marines in Helicopters, TF Shepherd was all LAV/LAI units (Light armored vehicle and their attached scout infantry). We had 1/25, a reservist battalion of infantry as TF Warden to handle the prisoner processing.

While TF Grizzly did some smaller firefights in the opening days, I think their biggest impact was taking over Al Jaber Airport after Ripper seized it on G-Day. Ripper and Papa Bear marched onto Kuwait International Airport & Grizzly held the airport to the rear. Very little contact.

There are several scenes that bothered me: Boot Camp was not that bad..a lot of guys made it out to be worse, I think, in order to impress their civilian buddies. Whatever.

Once in the infantry, he walks into a branding initiation in a barracks. In my ten years I have never seen or heard of a branding in any unit. Recon and ANGLICO pinned their jump wings and dive bubbles to their chests...big deal. No real blood. I DO know a Marine that branded himself and got 6 months in the brig...idiot.

The buildup in Saudi was massive...the skimming over of an intense period of real-life training was criminal. The heat, flies, food, classes, training operations and boredom was mind-bending. The attitudes were good. Spirits were high through fall of `90 and into the winter. By Feb `91 we had incorporated training into wartime patrols and observation posts.

The walk through the desert was BS (only Taro did that and as a task force)..the torched trucks were real enough, as were the burnt human bodies and scorched sand. The attitudes in the movie were BS..we just wanted to get the job done and go home...the fact that they were completely alone was BS. NOBODY just goes willy-nilly into a war zone. There are several layers of command and control in each action. There are logistics trains and combined arms interaction. Something as simple as shooting an enemy tank sometimes took a minute or more of conversation in order to prevent fratricide, unless it was a pitched battle.

The misty oil rain was real, but got stupid with the drenching..the ending was just as ridiculous... although we DID burn our MOPP suits (chemical protective suits) at Kuwait International.

We were more relieved at the word of the cease-fire than happy. Maybe a little disappointed that it wasn't completely done.

I suppose the VietNam vets had to endure the crappy, one-sided movies about their war that barely resembled the truth. Like them, I suppose this is my first.

I saw 'Blackhawk Down' and related to it, as I was involved in Somalia during the initial amphib landing and following 3 months. I didn't get into the shitstorm that those Rangers got involved in...just the daily snipings and minor gunfights. A lot of that movie was fairly accurate, especially the depiction of the gunfights.

To his credit, Swofford DID say that the movie was not that acurate to the book. It seems that it DID capture the attitude. Whatever.

Bad movie. Don't bother.


curious082385 31F
4925 posts
11/15/2005 1:35 am

Damn....I had high hopes for that one to.
Maybe I'll just rent it for the guy viewing ...watch it on mute or something.


jim5131 55M
1296 posts
11/15/2005 7:07 am

...Hi Curious...thanks for stopping in. I haven't had much time lately for blogging..the novel chapter postings were just a stopgap until I found more time. The movie review was just...whatever.. something I had to write about...it was digging into my mind and couldn't let it go..

...thanxx


kyplowboy22 61M

11/15/2005 7:45 am

Jim, I think most people would be boringly stunned with the reality of combat zones...the endless boredom, tedium on the nerves aggravated by pissy chow and few showers. How many hands of spades can you play, anyway. Train, train, and train some more. Now lets inspect equipment for the tenth time today. Guard duty. Vehicle maintenance. Stand to/stand down at dawn and dusk. You know the drill. lol Rules of engagement and the confusion of it all in the moments of action. What do you mean no Fast Movers??? WTF did you let us advance beyond Divarty for??? What about the four deuces??? Is there a section in position??? No fire zone because of the air corridor??? Civilians just don't realize the complexity of the high speed land warfare that is fought today. There is nothing willy nilly about it. It is a very well choriographed dance. And everybody better damn well know the steps. lol I get kinda upset with some of these movies, they portray the soldiers (marines) as mindless dumbasses and we know that is just not the case...they are professionals at their craft and expert in their skills. Thanks for the heads up on the movie, I'll save my money on renting it when it comes out. Later

kpb


rm_luke69iner 48M
3275 posts
11/15/2005 12:12 pm

Thanks for the heads up on Jarhead

Too bad I was hoping it was going to be worth a view


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rm_luke69iner 48M
3275 posts
11/15/2005 12:47 pm

I got "blood" wings at Jump school in 88 but I heard they quit allowing it shortly after that

One of the girls that went through even got her blood wings ... she was a cool chick


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A persona che mai tornasse al mondo,
Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse.
Ma perciocche giammai di questo fondo
Non torno vivo alcun, s'i'odo il vero,
Senza tema d'infamia ti rispondo
.
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jim5131 55M
1296 posts
11/15/2005 3:34 pm

Hey KPB...I hadda laugh at your post....EXACTLY! "What? No air cover? WTF?" "Twenty minutes? We're trading shots NOW!" You hit the nail on the head...thanks for stopping by...

Hey Luker...a lot of comm guys went the way I wanted to go..as ANGLICO (AirNavalGunfireLIasonC..to get jump and scuba qual'd and call in airstrikes from positions behind lines..they've been busy in the last three conflicts.. I went in at 25 years old and they kinda frowned on that. Blood wings..oh yeah...


jim5131 55M
1296 posts
11/17/2005 7:53 am

well Hello Katey...where's the trike? You drank too much red wine and lost it? You can ride on the back of my bike anyday, sweetie..

'Chicken Little' isn't one of those movies I'd watch in a theater (gotta worry about that image, y'know?)...it's like 'Robots'...I get that from the video store and watch it some evening at the house ; )


barbiebunny 36F
5597 posts
11/18/2005 4:16 pm

Ty for the report!!!

Its good to be...ME


jim5131 55M
1296 posts
11/19/2005 12:36 pm

Well Hello, Barb...welcome to my 'lil site...


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