9/11, Aff. The world is still sick  

garou716 44M
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9/8/2006 1:01 am

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9/11, Aff. The world is still sick


Today, there are more than 350 US blogs about 9/11 in activity…
Needless to say that this tragedy receives all our concerns, nothing of this should have happened. Thoughts for all innocents people who died, the one who missed their loved one.

I was looking for the thoughts of America today… 5 years after.
The thoughts of Americans on what has changed the world for the coming century,
The thoughts of Americans on the consequences for the entire world,
The thoughts of Americans on their security,
The thoughts of Americans on their government policy,
The thoughts of Americans on all the other lifes lost all around the world after 9/11…

The good, the bad, the ugly, the cleaver too. Everything is on AdultFriendFinder.

A lot of remembrances, mourning & prayers.
A lot of selfish stupidity as well, a lot of non-sense, a lot of blind people, a lot of flags, a lot of “tv warriors”, some crazy conspiracy theory, some crazy Bush & Co. believers.
Some regrets as well, some opinions that have changed in 5 years, some cleaver thoughts.

AdultFriendFinder blogs are once again the mirror of a society. Surprisingly.

This post will be too long to copy or even resume the numerous 9/11 US posts.
I really appreciated the “spirit” of nightstalker172, his blog nightstalker172 and the comments he made on other posts.

Some opinions, personal ones, for myself or the one who can accept others’ opinion.
What is writing below is quite common now, but I still believe that sharing thoughts is useful, even if it just with a single person.

Bush said the world is safer!
Isn’t that just insane! Safer for who, safer where, safer how?

In most of the countries, CNN is there. Broadcasting the American view, the official one.
They seemed to talk to Americans only, but promote themselves as an “international news channel”. I don’t think that Americans realized how much damaged brings CNN, broadcasted in hotels, through the entire world, non-develop countries, Muslim countries as well…
The TV and newspapers can not say what they want; can not publish what they want.
US government is everywhere; they need to keep media in their “line of thinking”.
Without going to conspiracy theories, without put a judgment on what is good or bad, it is a fact that no media has published the caricature of Mahoomed in USA (and that’s a good thing). The problem is that it is the government who intervene in this, not the brain of editors, paid by the revenues, the capitalism is here.
If a government can forbid this, there is no clue and no limit on what has been and what will be forbidden to give to the public.
The worst is the way CNN conduct the news, the lack of respect, the “weight” of a dead. Nationality, colors of the skin and religion are the most important…
15 min in Israel, children inside a bunker, underneath their building. They are bored, but playing still. They have food and water, but the “air is heavy”. At the mean time, other civilians, non Israeli, died under bombs, children too. But there is no journalist of course, no pictures, so it is a 5 min talk.
Bomb in London… one month of broadcasting, hours, but one line in the bottom of the screen: the same number of human life lost within days, but in Iraq. Who cares?

Terrorism. The definition. I looked for it, there is many different ones.
Let’s take the one from Columbia University Press:
“Terrorism, the threat or use of violence, often against the civilian population, to achieve political or social ends, to intimidate opponents, or to publicize grievances. The term dates from the Reign of Terror (1793‒94) in the French Revolution […]”
But we can focus as well on the common sense, the everyday meaning. Civilians targeted to achieve an objective ‘illegally’.
Hezbollah is terrorists. Israel is terrorists. USA is terrorists. Australia is terrorists. Italy is terrorists. Russia is terrorists. Al Qaeda is terrorists.
So many more… We are in a world of terrorism, states and organizations.
Each of them has in the 5 past years targeted civilians, to achieve ends. ‘Illegal’ acts.
Authorized by themselves only (and even without!).
Some even without the authorization that have themselves requested!!!
Answer is no? Ok then, fuck you all, we are the king of the world. Watch out!

Some small ‘old’ countries have tried to voice reasonable thoughts… Useless.
Please take a look at an old speech, the first one ever applaud… search for the speech of DE VILLEPIN, March 23, 2003….
Anyway, war it was. But the speech remains a beautiful one, for peace, without blood.
And years after? Is that would change your opinion?

The time was not appropriate. The wounded needs blood. The American public needs blood. The families want their sons being scarified, even for nothing but more sacrifices.

5 years after 9/11, at least everyone has to look into facts, again, with a ‘cool-mind’.
Everyone has to understand why the decisions have been taken, broadcasted, advertised, and amplified. How they were convinced by governments that more blood, more wars were necessary.

For the USA, lying about a blowjob can bring impeachment. But lies which conduct to blood, Americans and others’ blood, and wars bring a re-election!!!
My brain is too small to get a clue of how understand that.

Barbarian countries and organizations…
In 1948, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR has prohibited it.
Israel has declared torture illegal in 1999…
“...the Israeli Supreme Court HCJ in September 1999 banned a number of interrogation methods ...However the judgment left ... loopholes by which methods amounting to torture or other ill-treatment in detention may continue.” Amnesty International, 2002.
torture is illegal in Israel since 1999 only!!!!
Guantanamo… useless to talk about what is used there.

How can some governments can talk about human rights, democracy, wellness of populations?

USA… ‘Universal’ suffrage for a democracy… In Iraq, but not at home!
Bush wouldn’t have been elected with universal suffrage…
A country where you choose from 2 candidates (the 3rd is a joke)… 2 brothers, backed-up by quite the same capitalist companies.

I talked a lot about USA… because it is a fact that it is USA which can help peace everywhere, but can diffuse cancer as well. The world is at your good will!
The world is sick… US need to found a cure, quickly.
Is this possible?
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The last words are copied from the blog of nightstalker172 => nightstalker172

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
...the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

-- Hermann Goering, A Nazi adviser to Hitler.

poupoupidou63 53F

9/9/2006 1:11 am

tu me pardonneras garou mon anglais est trop limité je ne peux comprendre ton texte
as tu la version en français stp?

Le plus beau vêtement qui puisse habiller une femme,ce sont les bras de l'homme qu'elle aime.

garou716 44M

9/10/2006 10:19 pm

Le post parle de l'anniversaire du 11 sept, ce post est en Anglais car il s'adresse plutôt aux anglo-saxons (encore faut-il que je les attirent par ici)... vu que les français ont tout de même une approche bien plus "posée" sur cet évènement et ses conséquences...
Il y a maintenant plus de 500 blogs sur le 11 septembre... et beaucoup sont insipides, idiots, nombrilistes. Qques uns toutefois sont plus dans la vision 'française', d'autres appèlent à ouvrir les yeux sur ce qui leur est servi au quotidien. Certains ont complètement changer leur position aussi, ce qui est encourageant.

Qques coup de gueule sur ce post, des exemples de ce qui constitue des aberration à mes yeux. Je considère notamment Israël, les États-Unis, d'autres aussi comme des états terroristes. Ils répondent à la définition, les armes utilisées ne sont pas les même, voilà tout. CNN, les droits de l'homme, etc... Clinton, qui a failli être renvoyer auprès de sa femme pour un mensonge sur une 'gâterie' (certes, pas beau tout ça), alors que le mensonge sur les armes en Irak (qui lui a fait des milliers de mort et continue...) n’a eu aucune conséquence sur Bush & Co.
Pour finir sur la manipulation des peuples, j'ai copié une citation d'Herman Goering... (je sais, un peu osé!):
"Pourquoi, bien sûr, le peuple ne veut pas de guerre ? Pourquoi le pauvre ‘bon à rien’ dans sa ferme voudrait risquer sa vie dans une guerre quand le mieux qu’il puisse en tirer est de revenir en un morceau dans sa ferme. Bien entendu le citoyen normal ne veut pas de guerre ; ni en Russie, ni en Angleterre, ni aux Etats-Unis, ni en Allemagne non plus. Ceci est compris.
Mais après tout, ce sont les dirigeants d’un pays qui déterminent la politique à suivre et cela ce résume toujours à un simple problème de convaincre la population, que ce soit dans une démocratie, une dictature fasciste, un régime parlementaire ou communiste.
… le peuple peut toujours être amené à suivre les souhaits de ses dirigeants. C’est facile.
Tout se que vous avez à faire c’est de leur dire qu’ils sont attaqués, et de dénoncer les pacifistes pour leur manque de patriotisme et du danger à exposer le pays.
Cela fonctionne de la même manière dans tous les pays "

Hermann Goering, conseiller personnel de Hitler

roseetepine 57M/51F
7712 posts
9/11/2006 4:50 am

Moi non plus je ne parle pas anglais désolée. Mais si c'est la traduction que tu en a faite....... Alors Hermann Goering, même si je ne porte pas dans mon coeur ce genre de personnage, il à dit une chose juste , tu peux diriger et faire croire ce que tu veux à un peuple il a raison.


poupoupidou63 53F

9/11/2006 6:30 am

je découvre à l'instant ta réponse ,merci pour l'explication,et avant de venir te lire j'ai fait un petit post sur ce qu'il se passe dans le monde très court mais bon je voulais saluer humblement toutes ces familles meurtries ...


Le plus beau vêtement qui puisse habiller une femme,ce sont les bras de l'homme qu'elle aime.

garou716 44M

9/11/2006 11:40 am

Personne ne peut décemment porter un nazi dans son coeur... c'est le parallèle que je trouve intéressant. Où comment les Etats-Unis perdent leurs "valeurs" de démocratie et de liberté en s'adonnant à de la manipulation à grande échelle, pour justifier des guerres dont les raisons ne sont pas avouables.

roseetepine 57M/51F
7712 posts
9/11/2006 11:40 pm

Je te rejoint dans ta réflexion, les Etats Unis se croivent les maîtres du monde et veulent diriger le monde, et comme tu dis font des guerres sous de faux pretextes, ils feraient mieux de faire le ménage dans leur pays, il faut quand même savoir que les états unis est le pays dit "civilisé" où circule le plus grands nombre d'armes, de drogue, de perversités en tout genre, de racistes......
Mais eux ils ne font des guerres qu'à des buts économiques qui servent leurs intérêts, et cela n'engage que mon opinion....

Ce sont même des gros polueurs qui ne veulent pas changer leur façon de vivre peu importe si ils détruisent la planète, non, pourvu que EUX, aient leur confort....


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