OK This Is Bound to Tick Someone Off  

frogger1995 39F
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12/22/2005 4:22 pm

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OK This Is Bound to Tick Someone Off

Yesterday my friend from LA called to ask for my new address. I moved to my condo in March...that is how often we keep up with one another. She mentioned that she had finally seen that movie In the Bedroom and just didn't understand why people thought it was so great.

You may remember all of the hype that went with the release of this movie several years ago. Then again, the movie was so godamned unremarkable (except for the always hot and makes-a-girl-wish-she-were-a-lesbian-or-at-least-bi Marrissa Tomei), you may not. I told her that I could have saved her the rental fee if she had called me first.

That got us discussing all of the over-hyped movies there have been throughout the ages. In the Bedroom is not even the worst offender, as already people are asking themselves, Who was in that again? . We eventually got a pretty good list going. The following is mine (Please keep in mind...I don't think these movies are necessarily bad, just extremely overrated)

Casablanca
Get Shorty
Psycho
It's a Wonderful Life
Miracle on 34th Street
Silence of the Lambs
Taxi Driver
Chinatown
2001: A Space Odyssey
EVERY SINGLE Batman movie that has been made
Gladiator
Shrek
Trainspotting (I didn't even fucking get this one)
The Big Lebowski (I have to admit that the more I see this the better I like it...but it is still overrated)
Rocky Horror Picture Show
Pirates of the Caribbean
Mulholland Drive (To me this was simply an excuse for Hollywood to put out as much T&A as they could and call it "artsy" )
Rosemary's Baby
Being John Malcovich (Just plain silly if you ask me)

I realize that this list is "outing" my complete lack of "depth" or "insight" or "artsy-fartsiness" but I don't care. These movies are simply good to just plain god-awful. SO THERE!

Things to be Happy About

Pinking Shears
Confetti
Metallic Paper
Organizing
Houses with too many Christmas Decorations



ewan_1973 44M

12/22/2005 4:48 pm

My dear Frogger,

While I could not agree more in considering "In the bedroom" a bad, insignificant, pro-death penalty movie, I have to disagree on the following movies in your list (I know, you say they are not bad, but I still disagree):

Casablanca
Taxi Driver
Chinatown
Being John Malcovich (Just plain silly if you ask me)

Merry Christmas. You are one of the good things that 2005 brought for me. Take care.


frogger1995 39F

12/22/2005 5:15 pm

ewan_1973: Thanks for rejoining the club...I hope your 2006 is very good as well.

Let it be known that I welcome all counterpoints.

But really...out of all of these can ANYONE give me a good reason why Casablanca is considered one of the best movies ever???


WildWon1982 34M

12/22/2005 5:19 pm

My lovely, you know I'm the film buff so I'm compelled to respond.

Casablanca - I and the American Film Institute (which rates it #2 all time and rates it high on 5 of 6 lists it does annually) would beg to differ.
Get Shorty - I just don't get Travolta sometimes.
Psycho - If you're into gory horror, this is a disappointment, but Hitchcock was all about suspense and atmosphere, not blood and guts (and rated by AFI as the best thriller of all time).
It's a Wonderful Life - One of my all time favorites, and one of only 3 films that makes me cry.
Miracle on 34th Street - Retarded, and the remake was disgusting.
Silence of the Lambs - You would not like to join AFI I'm guessing (Hannibal Lector named greatest Villain of all time).
Taxi Driver - I wasn't that impressed when I saw it. I love DeNiro, but this didn't do much for me. I recognize its merits, but I was basically indifferent.
Chinatown - I like the idea of Nicholson in a noir film, but Faye Dunnaway can't act worth a shit.
2001: A Space Odyssey - Another of my all time favorites. I worship Stanley Kubrick.
EVERY SINGLE Batman movie that has been made - Yeah, I'll give you that one. The original and the most recent were good, but definitely overrated.
Gladiator - Did 2000 even HAVE a Best Picture? I guess when the other choice is Erin Brockovich, they had to give it to Gladiator by default.
Shrek - It's just funny and fun, with some decent animation. Never got why it was such a big deal, but it is enjoyable.
Trainspotting - Crap.
The Big Lebowski - My bowling club used this line as our T-shirt motto: "Obviously you're not a golfer."
Rocky Horror Picture Show - Unless you're into the dressing up and midnight shows, it's just a cheesy B movie with some weird music.
Pirates of the Caribbean - Crap.
Mulholland Drive - Never saw it, don't plan to.
Rosemary's Baby - Aside from the scene, basically worthless.
Being John Malcovich - I like the cast, but the movie wasn't that great.

I guess when I finally get to meet you I'll have to educate you a little. I still love you, though.


WildWon1982 34M

12/22/2005 5:49 pm

In more depth, I can give you several reasons why Casablanca is one of the best films of all time.

1. Humphrey Bogart as Rick: He's the most realistic hero of all time. He has no agenda, no idealogy, he just tries to get by. When Ilsa shows up, he has the same reaction any of us would have to the reappearance of a lost love. And yet, despite who he works for, despite his cynicism and crassness, he is wholly good, and a sensitive, loving man. But he's also a realist, and knows what must be done. It takes amazing strength of character to give up the only thing in the world you want because you know it's the right thing to do. Bogart is the only actor in the world who could have pulled off such a subtle performance, and yet convey so much symbolism and emotion.
2. Ingrid Bergman as Ilsa: One of cinema's first strong, independent women. She represents the greatest dilemma that cinematic women face: Emotion vs. Obligation. If not for this film, and for Ilsa, there would be no Princess Leia, no Norma Rae, no strong women in film, just a bunch of Scarlett O'Haras.
3. Louis: The perfect comic relief character.
4. The script: For its time, this was one of the most compelling stories ever written (released in 1942, right in the middle of WWI. Whereas most films of the era showed images of patriotism, war, and clear-cut good vs. evil scenarios, this film blurred that line, and gave us some very humanistic characters that were way ahead of their time. And if not for one specific line, another famous movie of our generation wouldn't have ever been made. That line: "Round up THE USUAL SUSPECTS."
5. The song: "As Time Goes By" is one of the most romantic songs ever written. You know something has staying power when it's played at weddings 60+ years later.

Need any more reasons?


trustno01 55M  
2364 posts
12/22/2005 6:22 pm

Never saw In the Bedroom. But adore Marisa Tomei. She is one hot lady. I agree with most of your choices.

I just like Shrek for the one liners.

I hope you have a Merry Christmas.


KMA5 40M
771 posts
12/22/2005 7:05 pm

to fully understand "Being John Malkovitch" one must first be a John Malkovitch fan. Psycho is just good clean fun about an average American fella who was underloved and traumatized by his mother so much when he grew up that he HAD to dress like her and commit murders; I'm sure you understand I love Shrek for its fantasy/ modern slapstick; if you can't watch it without thinking then maybe you need a vacation (that was directed to everyone). Some movies were just meant for entertainment, not artistic driven psycho babble. Speaking of which, Trainspotting was an interesting movie but unfortunately I don't get high so the movie was lost to me on many levels.
The other movies sucked ass (and not in a good way). While we are on the subject of sucking badly, we may as well add Paris Hilton's movies to the list. I haven't seen the second sex tape but her other attempts on-screen are making me glad I don't have TIVO


craptoast 39M

12/22/2005 7:36 pm

didn't finish in the bedroom. it was an eerily similar situation to one i and my girlfriend were in (we even resembled the two characters), and we just couldn't make it to the part where her angry husband kills me. as a movie snob and a former film student/independent film maker, i'm not going to give my opinion, just cause i really don't believe it matters. wildwon makes good points about casablanca though, i've only seen it once, but i was astonished on how much i enjoyed it. disagree about the ridiculous statement that there would be no strong women in film today if not for Ingrid Bergman/Llsa, if anything there mightn't be the 'greatest dilemma that cinematic women face: Emotion vs. Obligation', which to be honest, wouldn't be such a bad thing, since so many strong female characters in movies depend or fallback on that outdated notion, severly limiting the roles of women in a male dominated field. bla bla bla. i know.


007sexy40plus 51F  
7603 posts
12/22/2005 8:08 pm

I think the very latest Batman movie is pretty good. I am not a batman fan but I really liked this latest one. and as for Shrek I have children so thats something I have to get into and I like the characters in the movie. Now the movie the Big Lebowski, my husband loves that movie, I could not get into it I know that Jeff Bridges was an idiot in the movie.

I am the real deal! "Come Get Me!!!"


SpaceRangerNJ 55M
4687 posts
12/22/2005 8:10 pm

Well, just about everything is over-hyped these days. Something to do with marketing strategy is suppose.

I think some movies can live up to all they hype but you have to be in the right circumstances and with the right people when you watch them for the magic to be there.

It's a Wonderful Life - we had a holiday party and tradition around watching it when I was in college and for a few years after. It was everything surrounding the movie that made it great for me.

Miracle on 34th Street - I'm just a sucker for a magical story.

2001: A Space Odyssey Was great in my parents' day. Nothing had been done anything like it before. Now it's just boring.

Shrek - I dunno, just struck me funny.

Rocky Horror Picture Show It was the time of life and the person who introduced me to the movie that made it over the top. - Same with The Princess Bride.

Being John Malcovich (Just plain silly if you ask me) - Don't need to ask you. I agree.

color purple - oops, that wasn't on the list. Oh that's just the color I used for the titles. LOL.

Ho Ho Ho
SR


jakblack36 48M

12/22/2005 8:22 pm

It's my opinion that in a few of the movies you listed, one has to put ones self at the time the movie was filmed to see it's over or under rated. It's a wonderful life is one of my all time favorites. The story is sends a powerfull message about how we change others lifes just by living our own. If there is ever a remake I think Dick Cheney should play Potter.


gnr8nrg 46M

12/22/2005 8:26 pm

I thought Shrek was O.K., but I was so unimpressed I didn't see Shrek 2. Austin Powers is another one for me because so many love it and they all just annoy me. I tried watching Casablanca once, and it didn't keep my attention. As far as the greatest movie ever, I was under the impression another movie called "Citizen Kane" had that title.
I am a Batman fan, so I'm a geek. However, the latest one was actually a good story. I am biased though.
Happy Holidays Frogger and lillypad. Click your heels and say, "There's no place like home."


ewan_1973 44M

12/22/2005 9:04 pm

To set the record straight, I never ever left the club. I was just not posting comments because I did not have anything to say, or because someone had already said it.

About Casablanca, maybe it is a guy's movie, not sure. Love you, Ewan.


rm_NWMNman7 34M

12/22/2005 9:25 pm

Ok, I can't comment on a lot of these because I haven't seen them, but some of them I have to give my two cents on.
Batman begins was by far the best one of all of them, in my opinion. the others were overplayed, and over dramatized, but this last one was pretty good.
Gladiator had the potential to be an awesome movie, the ideas and plots were there, but they just didn't develop it and it turned out to be not so great.
Shrek - A good movie because for kids it's clean, yet gives little thrills for adults. I think the reason this was rated so high is because it could appeal to all ages and types of people. They took a movie that was ok, and would have been a decent kids movie, and made it into one that adults can love.
Big Lebowski - agreed, I just didn't get it.

Another one that really should have been added to your list. Now, I know people that would shoot me, or kick me out of their club for saying this, but I really just didn't get Many Pythons Search for th eHoly Grail. My classmates in college lived for this movie, quoting it, etc. I just didn't get it. I never saw the big deal of it.

Anyway, always happy to post on ur blog, and even more happy to read it. Hope you get over to mine sometimes.


sharewus2 40M/32F

12/22/2005 11:21 pm

look, i'm with ya on everything but casablanca and shrek. shrek because i've seen that movie reduce a room of six four year olds to a dead silence...try that with any other movie, i dare you. casablanca because i'm a sentimental shmuck, and bogie's the man...other than that, i think you left out the passion of the christ and kill bill (or maybe i'm just sick as hell of that one...i think it plays nonstop in this house)


frogger1995 39F

12/23/2005 5:31 am

WildWon1982: thanks for answering my question. As for 1) Borgart is a good actor but in this movie he seems to be the same as in all... a seemingly hard-nosed sourpuss who really has a hart of gold 2) I seriously beg to differ with the Scarlett O'hara comment. If anything she was much stronger, if not as ethical 3) I have my own issues with his character 4) I may give you this one, having not been there 5) Played almsot as much as that Titanic song (which BTW is also overrated) and We've Only Just Begun (which was originally for a Bank Commercial!!)...

trustno01: Don't bother...if you want to see a sexy Tomei see Slums of Beverly Hills...she spends the whole movie in hot pants and tank tops \

KMA5: So you seem to be saying these movies were good to just plain god-awful...my point exactly.

craptoast: That would suck finding that particular movie familiar I suppose. But I still disagree with Casablanca. Perhaps because when I saw it, everyone had been going on so much about it I expected more. Frankly I just thoughgt the Paris scenes were incredibly cheesy.

straightten2002: Perhaps I should take another look at Batman begins based on these comments. About Shrek...it was a good kids/adult movie but frankly I think The Incredibles did MUCH better on that front.

SpaceRangerNJ : I think if anything The Color Purple is underhyped.

Frnds4Play: Perhaps that is it. As for Trainspotting, the moment he came out of that toilet is the moment I said "what the fuck did I just rent???" Perhaps as KMA5 said, you need to be high to fully enjoy it.

jakblack36: I agree with you on both counts. But for Its a wonderful life...they could have done it in half the time.

gnr8nrg: I agree with you a lot. Austin Powers is OK...but not worth three whole movies. I have never seen Citizen Kane, which is probably the only reason it isn't on this list.

ewan_1973: funny you would say that...it's so sentimental

NWMNman7: OMG!!! I actually did put that up there and AdultFriendFinder didn't post it. Pretending to ride horses!!!! Give me a fucking break.

sharewus2: I guess I'm not so sentemental As for Shrek...i suppose if I had a room full of kids I would consider it the greatest movie ever!


kitchenfun1234 44M
1797 posts
12/23/2005 6:06 am

Hmmm I'm with you on all those overrated films.

Here are some more I'd like to add to the list.

Donny Darko
The House on Haunted Hill
King Kong, (Any version)
Forest Gump

Don't ever give up searching for the fun in life.


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44 posts
12/23/2005 8:11 am

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frogger1995 39F

12/23/2005 8:58 am

kitchenfun1234: I haven't seen any but the last. I actually think Forrest Gump was appropriately fawned over. Except for how he got his name....

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rm_VoodooGuru1 49M
2053 posts
12/23/2005 8:59 am

A gree with some of your choices, disagree with others.

One of the things you seem to have overlooked if that a movie doesn't have to be watchable, or highly-entertaining for it to be a great movie. Its historical significance, or pioneering methods, or cultural significance can make a movie great.

Of course Rocky Horror isn't a great movie; its cultural influence and history have hade it great. (However, the real theatrical play is great - see it if you ever have the chance.)

Psycho? Loved it the first time I saw it, but I was about eleven. It is a great movie for its direction, cinematography, and cultural impact. No one had made a film in which the beautiful woman stole money by herself and for herself. She'd never been murdered so soon into the film either. It was also the first psychological twist... and has clearly influenced such directors as David Mamet.

2001...Captured space like no movie ever had.

And Being John Malkovich... Frogger, this is a WONERFUL movie. It's political, existentially challenging, funny, dark... and a Charlie Kaufman film. (Like anyone else could have imagined it.

Now... the greatest film ever made is also one of the most underrated films - underrated by the public, but critics love it - Blade Runner - Director's Cut

Better than Citizen Kane, better than Casablanca. Better than anything.

(You might have a better appreciation for Casablanca if you recognized the book it that inspired it - it examines the same aspects of humanity in similar circumstances same way.)


sillyperv 54M

12/23/2005 9:11 am

I am appalled. Movies debates normally cause all sorts rage, fist fights, breakups: all sorts carnage at least with the people I associate with - here everyone is so unfailingly polite. So lets just "kick this up a notch" shall we!!!!!
First! Proof that there is a spot in your brain filled with spam!
Chinatown is sublime! It is structurely perfect, visually stunning, with brilliant performances by Nicholson, Dunnaway and Huston - is there any more horrific moment than Huston taking control of his daughter at the end.
Psycho is one long tale of creepiness that has set the pattern for every slasher film since - why else do you think every blonde with a sex drive gets it in the end.
Taxi Driver is the first story of America's cultural collapse. In world filled with isolation, massive propoganda and an overwhelming subtext of inherent violence, Travis Bickle's response is a logical method to gain fame and glory and revenge against his anonimity in the world.
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While true that Casablanca originated as a war propganda film, the whole thing works. From the performances by Bogie, Greenstreet, Raines and Bergman and Lorre are picture perfect. In glorious black white, it's a great story of circumstances, responsiblity and choice. And I die every time Ilsa says "Hello, Rick." I swear, if there was ever a miracle and she said my name instead I would die cause my testicles would explode! Though it is over rated being in the top ten, but in the top fifty would still brand it as great.
...Wonderful Life has Jimmy Stewart's 2nd finest performance, (Vertigo is 1st) and Donna Reed. Sure, in July it might seem hockey, but at Christmas I tear up, oh, and it has Donna Reed.
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Trainspotting, Big Liebowski, 2001 and Malkovich are great films because of their magic realism, moving beyond the stagnant realism that restricts so much of American film. They are films where you have to pay attention, the same is true of Chinatown, and have to watch more than twice. Sure they are lousy if you don't want to make the effort - Picasso can't paint either if just walk past in a gallery.
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Rocky Horror - you gotta watch with a buzz.
Proof that overindulgence of spam won't kill you.
Overrated by whom - critics, ad agencies, friends?
Shrek - Incredibles far superiour!
Shorty - Average, but the film industry loves stories about itself.
Batman Begins is by far the best but only good.
Mulholland - Is an awful movie, who hypes this as great.? (Connelly in garters is good though)
Miracle - just plain hate it.
Silence just isn't as good with a third viewing, same as Rosemary kind of a suprise considering how much I liked them on first viewing.
Gladiator a tad to overwrought and lacking true riveting action and battle scenes -& Russell Crowe ain't no Kirk Douglas - Sparticus is far superiour.
Pirates is fun, Depp is a riot, but again, who would claim this film as great?
So all and all you're spam quotient is a touch high, you should be a tab concerned by the cranial blot - get to it before it takes over completely, but you have hope!
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rm_Ptalk1155 34M
3450 posts
12/23/2005 9:52 am

I'm not going to hit them all even though I'm a movie buff, just a few.

I dunno. I love Bogart. I hadn't actually seen Casablanca until a few months ago and I loved it even though I'm not much for romantic movies. "Of all the gin joints..." sold me.

Psycho bored me, but the shower scene is a classic.

Big Lebowski is one of my favorite quotable movies. "His wife owes money all over town and they pee on your fuckin' rug?"

I actually enjoyed the first two Batman movies, particularly the first one. "Ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?"

Shrek was one of those CGI groundbreakers, plus it was damn funny for a kids movie, so I can see the hype here.

Gladiator was just the first big movie to come out in a while. It had some really unnecesary slow stuff, and I could live without the Emperor trying to bang his sister all the time (especially since it was common practice at the time, so I'm not sure why she was so uptight about it other than she wanted Crowe), but I did enjoy it.

I hate Rocky Horror Picture Show. Totally overhyped. I went to one of the midnight showing deals they do and spent my whole evening rolling my eyes.

And Pirates is one of my new favorites, since it was the best movie I had seen in a while, and I got to watch a few times on a cruise ship, so it was fun feeling the boat rock while the screen rocked.


sillyperv 54M

12/23/2005 12:43 pm

Oh, and if you want to read my comments on Forest Gump go to TravinTexas - I will not repeat myself, I'll have an aneurysm.


Nightguy_1961 55M
4866 posts
12/23/2005 8:59 pm

Movies appeal to different people different ways...what I like, you might not care for and vice versa.

Word of mouth helps make a movie a classic...imho. "It's a Wonderful Life" tanked when it first opened back in the '40's...but people who love Jimmy Stewart, Donna Reed..or a good story made it a 'classic'.

Casablanca is one of my all time favorites for one scene...when Rick is sitting in the bar, getting hammered and remembering when Ilse left him. Every man has felt that way at one time in their lives, and Bogey pulled it off beautifully.

Different strokes for different folks, Frogger...ain't it cool?

NG


rm_errotic1234 43M
44 posts
12/24/2005 8:41 am

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Wickednshameless 38M
11 posts
12/24/2005 8:13 pm

Just wanted to say thanks, I haven't seen Casablanca in a while and you just inspired me to go put it in the vcr. As for it not being a classic: HEATHEN!!! ;}
I think that WildWon1982 summed it up best, and all I have to add is: remember that when this movie was shot they were churning them out at the rate of one movie per week. Show me any movie in the last 25 years that was filmed in a week and came out as well.

As for Rocky Horror, well, you just have to "give yourself over to absolute pleasure, swim the warm waters of sins of the flesh" to get it ;} It's the music that makes it.

Merry Christmas


singlequietone 67M
232 posts
12/25/2005 11:41 am

Hi Frogger,
I tend to agree with you about the movies on the list I have seen. Unfortunately, I haven't seen but about 3/4s of them. I could add a few turkeys to your list that I don't know why I even saw them, no one else did either.------Luv Ya------


Dirk98765 45M

12/27/2005 7:06 am

One of my favorite movies was Vertigo with Jimmy Stewart & Kim Novack. A good Hitchcock flick.

The recent Batman movie was excellent compared with the previous ones. They disposed of the cheese factor that was prevalent especially in the last two.

Both of the Bourne (Identity & Supremacy) movies I thought were well done. Not true to the books but very well done.

But the all time classics are the Clint Eastwood "Spaghetti Westerns" which if you watch the "Kill Bill" movies you see some similarities.

Well that was probably more than my 2 cents worth. Have a Happy New Year!


TalonDuddyTonks 47M
659 posts
12/27/2005 9:46 am

Everyone has their own taste in movies... some of the "classics" don't impress me either...

Hope you had a wonderful Christmas and a great trip to LA!


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