Mr. Yin and Mr. Yang  

frogger1995 39F
4342 posts
1/27/2006 9:56 am

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Mr. Yin and Mr. Yang

I noticed today that right now my life is a prefect dichotomy...intimately speaking. I happen to like two very different men equally.

One is very bad...too bad
One is very good...too good

Mr. Punish considers it a chore to call me on a regular basis
Mr. Nice Guy calls me practically every night

Every once in a blue moon Mr. Punish will read my blog to see what is going on with me.
Mr. Nice Guy writes a comment in almost every post.

Mr. Punish knows my darkest most deviant fantasies and is happy to oblige.
Mr. Nice Guy may very well be scared off if he knew about many of them

Mr. Punish is wildly spontaneous and adventurous
Mr. Nice Guy is wonderfully dependable

Mr. Punish loves my sense of style
Mr. Nice Guy has navy blue bedsheets (possibly the most boring color on the face of the earth)

Mr. Punish loves everything from choking to rimming
Mr. Nice Guy loves to cuddle and kiss

Mr. Punish is stubborn and petulant
Mr. Nice Guy is refreshingly accomodating and easy going

I know which one my mother would like best.
I know which one the devil on my right shoulder would like best.

As for me...what can I say? I like them both!

Things to be Happy About:

Black and White Things
Bumper Stickers that Piss People Off
Day Dreaming

luvyourtitties 50M
53 posts
1/27/2006 11:13 am

You want a man to think about you constantly, yet give you your space.

You want someone to plan a fabulous weekend getaway, yet be able to drop everything at a moments notice.

You want to be tied up, spanked, fucked in the ass, and then be served breakfast in bed the next morning.

Ultimately you want a good guy that likes to play bad!

Darling, I would love a woman like that as well !

beewulf9 38M

1/27/2006 11:19 am

It would seem that you like a bit of dualism. I wish fun in the relationships.

007sexy40plus 50F  
7603 posts
1/27/2006 12:25 pm

Have fun girlfriend! Enjoy every moment you can with both of them.

I am the real deal! "Come Get Me!!!"

gnr8nrg 45M

1/27/2006 1:04 pm

It sounds like the best of both worlds. Got room for a nice guy with a dark side? Only downside is I live too close to Mr. Punish and not you.

MyRealLoverOne 45M

1/27/2006 1:35 pm

I understand...I like my Ying Yang too.

kitchenfun1234 44M
1797 posts
1/27/2006 1:36 pm

If he doesn't call he doesn't care. sorry if it sounds harsh but it's true.
I suggest you tell Mr Nice about your deviant side.........until you put it to him you will never know what he's capable of.
Also.....why judge a man by his bedsheets? Most guys do not pay that much attention when they buy these things. He may have been given the sheets by him mum

Don't ever give up searching for the fun in life.

phangasm2003 105M

1/27/2006 1:46 pm

Man, that's a hell of a love triangle. Maybe you should have a threesome

TXNRogue 54M

1/27/2006 2:53 pm

Besides the boy quandary...what is going on this weekend? If it rains hard enough body surfing is always an option.

im_curious_4u 50M

1/27/2006 3:55 pm

You should give Mr. Nice Guy a chance. Talk to him and ease him into a few things. He may like them or even be better than Mr. Punish at them. You never know there may be a beast hiding in Mr. Nice Guys closet. Take a peek and see if you get spanked. If not, like some others have said, you have the best of both worlds with these two.

I just wish I lived closer so I could show you a few moves I learned in the Young Republicans. LOL Come on that was funny and you know it.

Seriously ask the nice guy. You both might be surprised at the outcum.

frogger1995 39F

1/27/2006 4:44 pm

luvyourtitties: Why compromise???

beewulf9: Perhaps...or just being with more than one man at a time

straightten2002: I plan on it!

gnr8nrg: Sounds perfect. too bad about the distance!

MyRealLoverOne: Who doesn't?

kitchenfun1234: you are right of course...but it's not as though I plan on marrying the guy. As for the sheets...a sure indication of style. Plus when I discussed my yellow living room and pink bedroom I could see a spark of dread in his eyes.

phangasm2003: wouldn't that be something. Unfortunately the inherent nature of the good and bad boy only allows for one of them to be up for it.

TXNRogue: Not much here...except worrying about the job situation.

im_curious_4u: These days I am leaning more towards being nice over naughty.

I told you guys conservatives were closet freaks!

tootsiedippin 53M/52F
1078 posts
1/27/2006 5:15 pm

Miss Frogger what you need is that tellaportaion thingy from the Fly movies and then stick both of them into the machine and hit the switch

Fizzle pop problem solved it puts them together as one if you don't mind the inside out part...

Or you could just meet me instead (oo did I just say that with my outside voice) WEG


oldman1776 78M
3164 posts
1/27/2006 5:45 pm

You do have a problem but a nice one.

raoulduke1977 39M
7 posts
1/27/2006 6:12 pm

Gee, sounds like combined you have the perfect guy! lol


Det18in 34M

1/27/2006 7:34 pm

drop me a line zk8620 at the ..hoo

MPLS_FunnyGuy 47M

1/27/2006 9:05 pm

Go with the nice guy, he will be a better bet in the long run. You can teach him to be nasty when you want him to be.

AGNJoe1 46M

1/27/2006 9:27 pm


You might want to check my blog my dear. You've made my list you know. Just thought I'd let you know it.


2xmrclean 58M

1/27/2006 10:18 pm

the answer is in you! some one who is in the middle so to speak..... can you see? who is the man? could it be me? not likley. but when you find him; you will know! happy hunting. 2x

rm_smokeee 45M

1/28/2006 12:19 am

Wow, cool little home away from home, you have here. My first time here, and I already like your attitude. Hell, I don't understand why you need to make a decision at all.

I think you need to be spanked for not realizing how good you have it. Just enjoy yourself and don't create any unnecessary worries.

I don't mind handing out your spankings myself, by the way, I'm sure I would enjoy it immensely…

im_curious_4u 50M

1/28/2006 12:46 am

Oh Frogger I think you have me confused. I'm no closet freak, I'm right out there with it. I don't think either side would want to claim me anyway.

BTW yeah for Mr. Nice Guy He's a lucky far.

For Mr. Nice Guy, try it you might like it.

rm_ricop1379 37M

1/28/2006 2:22 am

Conservatives are closet freaks? Why can’t liberals be closet freaks as well?

Jobe00 42M
211 posts
1/28/2006 5:39 am

I say open up to Mr. Nice Guy. Tell him some of your darker desires and things you'd like to have done to you.
You may well be surprised because I bet he wants to make you happy, and if that is the case, then he will do what you want to make you happy.
Maybe you can train him to be a good master for your subbie nature (I know this sounds crazy, but I've heard and said things that were much more insane...and true).

rm_pipas31 42M
9 posts
1/28/2006 6:36 am

well, just relaxe

rm_pipas31 42M
9 posts
1/28/2006 6:38 am

well, just relax

texascanadian05 53M
76 posts
1/28/2006 6:48 am

Combine the two and would!

Choozmi 50M

1/28/2006 12:54 pm

As I've told my sister many times: It's easy to be nice. It takes much more thought and effort to be kind.

Is Mr. Nice Guy a kind person? If so, he may be a keeper. Who gives a shit about bed sheets?

As far as the bad boy is concerned, well, you'll come to know the truth about him soon enough. Enjoy your time with him while it lasts, and brace yourself for when you find yourself on the receiving end of his bad nature, because you will be sooner or later.

As you know from my blog, I've found this out the hard way.

Love2Punish 46M  
2 posts
1/28/2006 8:49 pm

I told Frogger a long time ago that I would never post on her blog. I have no interest, nor is anything to be gained by making our relationship a public spectacle. Therefore I would not contribute to the scribblings pertaining to me... or anyone else for that matter. However, I will offer this little tid bit in my own defense.

I suspect that many people here, men, who read Frogger’s blog regularly already dislike me simply because I have had the type of experience with Frogger that they them self would like to experience. In that regard, I doubt that I will get a fair shake or an honest comment with regard to my character.

My personal, business and intimate relationships with all people are conditional. Frogger is no exception. I expect a certain level of integrity and honesty from those I deal with. In turn, I will reciprocate with the same courtesy and respect they provide to me. If someone betrays those basic principles there is a consequence. Those are the rules. It doesn’t matter how cute you are, how big your tits are, or how nasty you may be in the bedroom.

Having said that, Frogger knows where the line is with me. She crossed it, voluntarily, diving head first while flailing her arms and yelling “Geronimo!” This being her evening with Mr. Nice Guy.

I’m not mad at her. I’m not pissed. I’m not jealous. Frogger is free to do as she pleases. But, too, there are consequences.

A few weeks ago I wrote a heartfelt letter to Frogger reflecting on our past time together and asked if she would like to be my Valentine this ’06. I told her that I would fly her out to LA for the occasion. Since work was an issue for both she and I in mid-February, we spoke about an earlier celebration. The planning was underway and set in motion when, one evening, when I said I would call, I did not call. Not out of neglect or because I don’t care... but simply because I was busy with work and didn’t have time. Consequently, Frogger elected to go out on a date with Mr. Nice Guy and give him a little more than he probably expected. That’s fine. Not a problem. But I cannot imagine that anyone, including Frogger, would expect me to follow through with our Valentine’s plans after that. This trip was not intended to be a simple fuck fest with chains and whips. Although, yes, that was going to be part of it. But we both spoke at length via telephone and emails about possibly pursuing a more intimate relationship.

I am a man of principles. I will not compromise what I believe to be right or wrong. The lure of a beautiful girl... with a beautiful body... and zero inhibitions is a powerful temptation for anyone. Nonetheless, I can say no... and have. Frogger will not be my Valentine this February, nor my nasty little sex slave. She’s on probation until she redeems herself. And then, when we do meet again, there will be hell to pay! Don’t worry... I’ll take pictures!

maverick19605 59
53 posts
1/29/2006 11:46 am


Just read Mr. Punish's post.

I do a fair bit of counseling in the real world. The absolute BEST thing you can do is put and keep as much distance as possible between you and this jerk. Otherwise, he will cause you nothing but heartache and trouble.


Choozmi 50M

1/29/2006 1:04 pm

Wow. After reading Love2Punish's entry, Frogger, all I can say is: you can do better.

And no, Love2Punish, the above statement doesn't mean that I'm offering myself in place of you. And no, I don't hate you because you've been intimate with Frogger. That's not my concern.

You just don't sound like a kind person. I'm basing that on your words above, not on what Frogger said about you.

Love2Punish 46M  
2 posts
1/29/2006 10:04 pm

So, I’m sitting here at my desk… picking at a turkey and ham sandwich from Subway (toasted, in case you’re wondering) catching up on the latest Frogger updates. I’m a little surprised. Then again, not really. I expected one or more men to attack my character… point the finger and tell Frogger why I’m not worthy. After all, if Frogger only knew what a great guy you are things would be different. You would treat her right… worship the ground she walks on… do all that romantic crap. If only she knew. Umm, barf. I feel sick. I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

People want what they can’t have. Myself included. For example, I want a Lamborghini Murcielago. It probably gets shitty gas milage, isn’t all that comfortable to drive, and requires a tune-up every 16 miles. But fuck it. I want one! In fact, I want two of’em!

I find it ironic that men here have unmercifully thrown themselves to Frogger’s feet with pleads and confessions of lust and heartache. In some instances vulgar depictions of what they would like to do to her. And yet, I’m the creep?

I exchanged roughly a dozen lengthy emails with Frogger before we met. Not a single one of them contained any sexual connotations. It was just “chit chat”.

The problem is… men, as a general rule, are idiots. They don’t know how to approach women or how to talk to them. I’m not saying I’m some Don Juan or anything… but saying something like “I wouldn’t mind fucking you in the ass, Frogger” probably isn’t going to work. In fact, I would expect contrary results.

I’ll share with you a story. I’m an ordinary guy. Average looking, average build. Nothing spectacular. BUT, I can talk. One on one, in a group, on a stage… if it requires talking I feel right at home. That’s my ace in hole.

So, I’m at a strip club in Los Angeles, Sam’s Club in downtown (I highly recommend it). It’s about Midnight on a week day. I’m by myself… sitting in a corner sipping a Malibu and Coke, watching. And then I see her. Brunette, 5’7, 130lbs, half black half white mix… with ass and legs to die for. Now… I cannot emphasize how perfect her ass and legs were. Flawless skin, perfectly shaped ass with just the right amount of thigh meat. Imagine an MTV video caliber ass. That’s how it was. So… my heart is pounding in my stomach. I’m sick with lust over this girl... trying to figure out how I’m going to get her back to my pad. Guys are jockin’ her left and right… practically drooling when she walks by; Holding up money, waving her over, commenting on her ass, etc.

I just sat and waited for her to make her way to my side of the room. She eventually did… and leaned in to shout over the music. “You want a dance, honey”, she asked. I pulled out the chair next to me and told her to have a seat. She did. I stared at her for a minute, grinning at how fucking gorgeous she was… and then I told her, “I want to have blueberry pancakes with you right now.”

She laughed. A real, genuine laugh. Then broke into her sexy inner-city accent… “You want to have blueberry pancakes with me, huh? Right now?”

“Yes I do”, I said matter of factly.

Thirty minutes later I was sitting in an Ihop eating blueberry pancakes with this woman. I bagged the badest broad in the club with pancakes. Not money. Not with flattery. Not with a story about my cock. Pancakes!

So, what’s the moral of the story? Think about what you say. Don’t put me down to make yourself look better. You only make yourself look desperate. Trust me, Frogger already knows you want to fuck her. You wouldn’t be here otherwise. Get a pancake date first… then tell her what you want to do to her.

frogger1995 39F

1/30/2006 7:20 pm

Gee Mr. Punish...and YOU are getting on MY case for going to a strip club with Mr. Nice Guy??? You have just outed yourself multiple times over. I consider this a free pass to spend as much time with him as possible without violating the terms of my "probation" Thanks for the 411!!!

Why don't you ask Ms. blueberry Pancakes to read your release...I wouldn't be surprised if she also had a law degree.

singlequietone 67M
232 posts
1/30/2006 8:50 pm

Hi Frogger,
You know, I have been reading your blogs since, I believe, around the middle of November. And whether anyone has noticed it or not, I've actually really grown quite fond of you and your writings. I try to make a sensible comment about them when I can, mostly I am still very impressed with your education, your ability to stand up and say what you feel is right, your wit, and of course, the beautiful you. I don't necessarily agree with everything you say, but I certainly agree that you have the right to express what you feel, as does everyone else. Brings me to Mr. Punish standing up for himself, he has that right also. And to everyone who has commented, yes, I believe he is right when he says we are envious of him. I know I certainly am. At the time, Frogger had a choice, and she made it. It was hers, and no matter what the rest of us think of, or about Mr. Punish, she made the choice. None of the rest of our business if we think she was right or wrong. I happen to side with most of you and feel a more gentlemanly approach should be used, but at that time apparently we would have been wrong. So, I say let her live her life, make her own decisions, and face whatever consequences comes up. That's what all of us do every day. If she wants to put the choices up for a forum opinion, that is her choice also. Anyway, that's my two-bits, right or wrong.-----Luv Ya, Frogger

Choozmi 50M

1/30/2006 11:00 pm

Frogger, the more I read this Punish guy's words, the more convinced I am that you can do better. Good luck.

maverick19605 59
53 posts
1/31/2006 12:55 am


Mr Punish's second post tells you all you need to know about him. If all you want is no-strings sex with a man who has little if any regard for your heart, he'll do. If, however, you want someone who will love you for you, remain true to you, and share's your kinks, this is not the man for you.

For while the sex may be great and while he may share your kinks, he could never and would never be a one-woman man. He will always leave you twisting in the wind while he is off romancing someone else. He cannot help it. It is his nature.

This does not make him a bad person. Nor is it my job to judge him. Besides, for all I know, he may be a very nice guy who treats others with respect and dignity.

Even so, his cavalier attitude toward your feelings and his double standard regarding seeing someone else -- fine for him, bad for Frogger -- makes him an absolutely terrible prospect for anythign other than casual, kinky sex on his terms.

You deserve better than that. And since you are an intelligent, articulate, sexy woman, you can do MUCH better than him. Just give yourself the time you need to meet and fall in love with the right person.

Mr. Nice may or may not be that individual. Who knows? I certainly don't.

Wishing you success in life and love,

PS: Did you get the job?

Sorceror07 54M

1/31/2006 2:55 pm

hmmm.... intelestink...vellly intelestink...

time for the outsider's objective opinion (i already have a girl and have no vested interest here) i can relate to both personalities since they are both me as well, which my girl also fully understands and appreciates... wickedly nice, nicely wicked... and reguardless of the color of the sheets (NOT navy blue, but they are 1000 thread count egyptian cotton and the doctor's bag is well stocked with nasty hedonistic things). actually, combine these 2 in the afore mentioned "fly" machine, minus a few traits like the ego of the one, the sappy fawning of the other and other such things and add a few other things i'm not going into here as they are irrelevant (i'm not entering into the fray lol!) and badda bing, badda bang, badda boom!... 40% good guy, 60% bad guy...instant sorceror07.

it does sound like you want a combinition of both... the nice guy is considerate, respectful, worshipful, solid, predictable, consistant, *yawn* boreing... the punisher is wicked, charming, unpredictable, inconsistant, strong, interesting, self centered. each one has his plusses and his minuses... decide which ones you can live with and deal with the best for you will not change either in the long run. or here's something to consider... have both? yes.. unconventional but then again... this IS the 21st century.

do what YOU feel most comfortable with... if one or the other or neither can go with YOUR program then... as i've been fond of saying in the past... they can either accept it or except it. either way, you win. if you get neither, you'll find others JUST as worthy shortly soon enough. that IS the best advantage of being a beautiful woman... your choices are arrayed before you as they would be at a buffet of eligible gents. lol! your problem is probably TOO many to choose from... i would advise patience, you have all the time in the world.

as for the "comments" punisher made to you a while back that so many found distasteful if not insulting... understand the dominant's mind... the quest for perfection, the careful crafting of the scene, simply because displeasure or disapointment is voiced does NOT mean disinterest... it's foreplay to whats to come... when your Master voices displeasure then "correction" or "discipline" will be forthcoming... perhaps a spanking, perhaps rope tricks, perhaps sensory deprivation, perhaps the feather duster, who knows, it's going to be a suprise... and to a most pleasureable outcome in most cases i can assure you. for both of you. many in the vanilla world do not understand this, or even that the mind is the sexiest organ in the body... that great sex starts in the mind, and in many cases months before the act of love is ever realized. perhaps he wasn't "outing" himself... he was starting something going there... as for scaring off the nice guy with the things and fantasies you have, try communicating... for all you know he may have submissive tendencies he would with to explore... learn from the punisher, teach the nice guy.... it's a good position for you to be in... at least from where i'm standing it is...

i don't know all the nuances and dynamics of what is really going on between you and these men, i only know what i've read from your point of view mostly. the conclusions i've come to are logically drawn mostly from what you've written about yourself and your relationships between these men, and very little from what they have written. it's barely enough information for me to go on, i hope i'm not too far off base here... or too far out of line for that matter either.

i wish you the best of luck in your decision and in the outcome of your choices. may they lead to your happiness frogger



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